So, the Assault Weapons Ban expired . . .

[quade 4]

So, the Assault Weapons Ban expired a few years ago and now what are the effects?

Well, this article seems to suggest that was a bad move. The extra availability of the guns in general means more and more they've found their way into the hands of pretty bad people and are being used more in gang crimes; the exact reason the AWB was put in place to begin with.

So lets review; AWB and crimes using assault weapons goes down, NO AWB and crimes using assault weapons goes up.

Tell me again how gun control doesn't work?

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[willard 0]

Uh..yeah...ok.
If you didn't notice...

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Federal officials don't compile statistics on the number of crimes involving assault weapons like the AK-47, and municipalities' numbers across the country are patchwork.

Miami is hardly a representative community within the U.S. I seriously hope your post was intended with a good dose of sarcasm.

[Bdog 0]

You keep shaking the tree to see what falls out. Do you really think anyones mind is going to be changed by rehashing the same, blah blah, redundant, beat to death issue? And that's all I have to say about that.

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[christelsabine 1]

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Uh..yeah...ok.
If you didn't notice...

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Federal officials don't compile statistics on the number of crimes involving assault weapons like the AK-47, and municipalities' numbers across the country are patchwork.

Miami is hardly a representative community within the U.S. I seriously hope your post was intended with a good dose of sarcasm.

Sarcasm??

One should have a closer look at the others, such as the Capital of Crime, Washington/DC. Or NYC. Or Chicago. Or Philadelphia. Or perhaps Gary/Indiana ...? More than just patchwork.

No worries, we have our own statistics to gnaw on, even our citizens do not have about 200 million weapons in private hands - heaven help! I duly hope we over here in our little lousy little country will never reach that point, where more than 40 percent of househoulds are armed -as in the US.

Ease AWB restrictions and more citizens will be killed. My personal opinion.

Sorry, only in German language:

http://www.focus.de/panorama/welt/blacksburg/usa_aid_53794.html

dudeist skydiver # 3105

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yea...the extra two bullets I'm allowed in my weapon make ALL the difference.

[akarunway 1]

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So, the Assault Weapons Ban expired a few years ago and now what are the effects?

Well, this article seems to suggest that was a bad move. The extra availability of the guns in general means more and more they've found their way into the hands of pretty bad people and are being used more in gang crimes; the exact reason the AWB was put in place to begin with.

So lets review; AWB and crimes using assault weapons goes down, NO AWB and crimes using assault weapons goes up.

Tell me again how gun control doesn't work?

The price of an HK 91 went from 800 to a couple thousand.

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I feel it, when I sorrow most;
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Than never to have loved at all.

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So, the Assault Weapons Ban expired a few years ago and now what are the effects?

Well, this article seems to suggest that was a bad move. The extra availability of the guns in general means more and more they've found their way into the hands of pretty bad people and are being used more in gang crimes; the exact reason the AWB was put in place to begin with.

So lets review; AWB and crimes using assault weapons goes down, NO AWB and crimes using assault weapons goes up.

Tell me again how gun control doesn't work?

Absolutly nothing changed when is was implimented either so, what is your biased anti second amendment point?

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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[willard 0]

I'd like to see those stats, please, if it isn't too much trouble.

Just so you know, the scum who commit these crimes care not whether their weapons are legal. That's why they are criminals.

[Gravitymaster 0]

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One should have a closer look at the others, such as the Capital of Crime, Washington/DC.

You do realize all guns are illegal in Wash. D.C. don't you?

[ds8221 0]

The "assault weapon" ban accomplished NOTHING! It only banned the MANUFACTURE and IMPORT of semiautomatic rifles with certain cosmetic features and hicap magazines after Oct 1993. All "assault weapons" and high capacity magazines MADE BEFORE the ban were STILL LEGAL to POSSESS or legally BUY. The "assault weapon" ban did not ban the POSSESSION of ANYTHING as the "banned" items could not be legally manufactured or imported. The law applied to gun manufactures and importers! NO ONE who legally wanted an "assault weapon" or high capacity magazine was denied the opportunity to buy one BEFORE or AFTER the ban. You would have had to buy an assault weapon or magazine MANUFACTURED before the 94 ban. Any gun store had them and would have let you legally buy one! This of course is only for the federal ban, as some states/cities have banned the sale of assault weapons. Anyway, most gun crimes involve handguns as they are easily concealed. Assault weapons are used less than 5% of the time. Mostly by felons, drug dealers and gangs, and not by law abiding gun owners.

If you think the ban accomplished something then you have not READ or UNDERSTOOD the 94 ban! (Guade) Americans own more "assault weapons" (and other guns) than at any time before. Just because the media covers a story in Miami on the rise of assault weapon use by CRIMINALS does not necessarily mean the trend is nationwide or even related to the expiration of the 94 ban. The drive by "media" hates guns and will always portray guns in a bad light. They RARELY cover the lawful use of guns in self defense or in any other positive light. There are cities where
assault weapon use in crimes has DECLINED but the media will NEVER cover that! Criminals who would shoot
at and kill police are not deterred by any (gun) laws and will aquire them regardless on the street.


David

[warpedskydiver 0]

Some people will never read that.

Or they choose to ignore the facts.

[christelsabine 1]

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One should have a closer look at the others, such as the Capital of Crime, Washington/DC.

You do realize all guns are illegal in Wash. D.C. don't you?

Yes, I do.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

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One should have a closer look at the others, such as the Capital of Crime, Washington/DC.

You do realize all guns are illegal in Wash. D.C. don't you?

Just shows me that, someone wants a gun... they're going to get a gun. Ban or no ban.


Chuck

[nathaniel 0]

What strikes me about the article is this part:

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Rivera pleaded for leaders to allow police to carry higher-power weapons - though not necessarily as strong as some already on the street ....

There doesn't seem to be any justification for stronger weapons for the police anywhere in the article...esp after they say that assault rifles increase the risk of hitting bystanders...and the police did just fine killing this guy with the guns they already had.

Seems like they can't decide whether they're for or against assault rifles.

My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski?

[ds8221 0]

I think the problem with "assault weapons" in Miami will be solved.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070917/ap_on_re_us/officers_injured_2[url]

[Zipp0 1]

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One should have a closer look at the others, such as the Capital of Crime, Washington/DC.

You do realize all guns are illegal in Wash. D.C. don't you?

You can't have a hunting rifle in tha attic? I find that hard to believe, but if you say so.......

Link to that law?

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[Gravitymaster 0]

It's been against the law to own any gun in DC since 1976.

The House recently voted to repeal the ban and it's just waiting Senate approval.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60034-2004Sep29.html

Some of the pro-gunners on here can give you more info. I don't own a gun, so I don't really stay up with the most recent progress.

[AWL71 0]

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The "assault weapon" ban accomplished NOTHING! It only banned the MANUFACTURE and IMPORT of semiautomatic rifles with certain cosmetic features and hicap magazines after Oct 1993. All "assault weapons" and high capacity magazines MADE BEFORE the ban were STILL LEGAL to POSSESS or legally BUY. The "assault weapon" ban did not ban the POSSESSION of ANYTHING as the "banned" items could not be legally manufactured or imported. The law applied to gun manufactures and importers! NO ONE who legally wanted an "assault weapon" or high capacity magazine was denied the opportunity to buy one BEFORE or AFTER the ban. You would have had to buy an assault weapon or magazine MANUFACTURED before the 94 ban. Any gun store had them and would have let you legally buy one! This of course is only for the federal ban, as some states/cities have banned the sale of assault weapons. Anyway, most gun crimes involve handguns as they are easily concealed. Assault weapons are used less than 5% of the time. Mostly by felons, drug dealers and gangs, and not by law abiding gun owners.

If you think the ban accomplished something then you have not READ or UNDERSTOOD the 94 ban! (Guade) Americans own more "assault weapons" (and other guns) than at any time before. Just because the media covers a story in Miami on the rise of assault weapon use by CRIMINALS does not necessarily mean the trend is nationwide or even related to the expiration of the 94 ban. The drive by "media" hates guns and will always portray guns in a bad light. They RARELY cover the lawful use of guns in self defense or in any other positive light. There are cities where
assault weapon use in crimes has DECLINED but the media will NEVER cover that! Criminals who would shoot
at and kill police are not deterred by any (gun) laws and will aquire them regardless on the street.


David

Excellent Post. Gangbangers don't go to Joe's gun shop to get their guns. They steal them, etc. And they prefer handguns. AWB was fluff that had nothing to do with preventing crime but more with banning guns. It also made some nice weapons real hard to get...like a HK 91.

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[Zipp0 1]

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It's been against the law to own any gun in DC since 1976.

The House recently voted to repeal the ban and it's just waiting Senate approval.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60034-2004Sep29.html

Some of the pro-gunners on here can give you more info. I don't own a gun, so I don't really stay up with the most recent progress.

The article says UNREGISTERED weapons. So it sounds like to can have a registered rifle in your attic.

EDIT: OK, I found it. You can have ALL KINDS of guns in DC. You just can't carry, or have unregistered.

http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/DCCL.pdf

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[kelpdiver 2]

I think you didn't read it closely enough.

Handguns
No handgun can be legally possessed in the District unless it is registered. All handguns registered in the District prior to Sept. 24, 1976, were required to have been reregistered by Feb. 5, 1977. After that date, no more handguns could be registered.
Thus, it is unlawful to possess, acquire, or bring into D.C. any handgun which was not registered as of Feb. 5, 1977.

Rifles and Shotguns
A person may buy or sell a firearm only from or to a licensed dealer in the District. Delivery cannot be made until the registration certificate for the firearm is approved by the Metropolitan Police Dept. Ammunition may be bought only for the caliber or gauge of a firearm registered to the buyer.

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Somehow I suspect there aren't many (any?) licensed dealers, and that the approval doesn't come in any hurry.

[Gravitymaster 0]

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Somehow I suspect there aren't many (any?) licensed dealers, and that the approval doesn't come in any hurry.

I've lived in the DC area most of my life and I can't recall ever seeing a retail gun shop. There are plenty of liquor stores, though.

[bch7773 0]

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So lets review; AWB and crimes using assault weapons goes down, NO AWB and crimes using assault weapons goes up.

Tell me again how gun control doesn't work?

well considering we are basing your beliefs off ONE news article in ONE city in america, I'd say it isn't worth the argument.

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