Andrewwhyte 1 #51 September 18, 2007 QuoteI meant to say no attacks, of signifigance, in the US. We can't prevent attacks in Europe. Ohh, I get it. When the US gets attacked we are all in this together, when UK or Spain gets attacked that's their fucking problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,564 #52 September 18, 2007 QuoteYou miss the point. The security of European countries is up to them. Not the US. The war in Iraq is far from over. I bet all the people that Saddam and friends tortured and killed would have loved for the US soldiers to come sooner. Domestic Security and the War effort has made our country safer. No, you've missed the point. If the war in Iraq was making the US safer from AQ it would be making the entire world safer from AQ. Billvon showed you that global terrorism is in fact up, and that AQ have been very active in planning attacks.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,108 #53 September 18, 2007 QuoteQuoteI've always been very uneasy about the use of mercenaries. They're very hard to control and generally aren't accountable to a government in the same way as soldiers. Order No. 17, a law issued by the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq before the Iraqis regained sovereignty in June 2004, gave the companies immunity from Iraqi prosecution. . A perfect example of the FACT that the current Iraqi government is NOT master in its own house, and is ipso facto a PUPPET of the USA.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #54 September 18, 2007 Your logic is so twisted. AQ knows they can't be successful in the US because of tougher security so they take their "talents" elsewhere. How can we police the whole world? We have the best domestic security and the enemy knows that so they go for easier targets. Applying your logic I could make the following statement, "The sun is shining here so it must be shining everywhere else." Not the case.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,564 #55 September 18, 2007 QuoteYour logic is so twisted. AQ knows they can't be successful in the US because of tougher security so they take their "talents" elsewhere. How can we police the whole world? We have the best domestic security and the enemy knows that so they go for easier targets. Oh for christ's sake, lets walk through this very, very slowly. You claimed that a lack of succesful AQ strikes in America was evidence that the war in Iraq was making you safer. If it was the war in Iraq that was preventing AQ from striking then AQ terrorism would be down everywhere, not just the US. In fact, AQ has orchestrated several succesful attacks (against ountries also fighting in Iraq) and there have been several others that were only thwarted by police and security forces, which shows that the war in Iraq is not stopping AQ from being able to launch strikes. You yourself have admitted in the post that I am replying to that increased domestic security is what has been preventing terror attacks in the US, not the war in Iraq, which was my point in the first place!Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #56 September 18, 2007 QuoteAQ knows they can't be successful in the US because of tougher security Do you have any idea of the level of security in the UK?Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #57 September 18, 2007 See if you try hard enough you can be serious Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #58 September 18, 2007 <> Actually, that's bollocks. Because of the blundering CIC's war the security of most of the world is at risk. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #59 September 18, 2007 <> They actually dont need to do anything. They have your own people loosing their God Given Inalienable rights and scared shitless. So why take a risk? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #60 September 18, 2007 QuoteQuoteAQ knows they can't be successful in the US because of tougher security Do you have any idea of the level of security in the UK? Yes it's a joke Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #61 September 18, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteAQ knows they can't be successful in the US because of tougher security Do you have any idea of the level of security in the UK? Yes it's a joke As much of a joke as you think it is, it is by far the country that takes terrorism the most seriously within its borders. edit: israel exclused of course. Which kinda leads someone to think that the number of terrorist attckes ina country are not a good indicator of the efforts put into anti terrorism...Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #62 September 18, 2007 Just so..... The security forces can't be everywhere (even on our wee island) so one has to wonder, how much luck is involved in foiling the plots. Good intelligence could account for some or our bad guys are really shite at keeping secrets. If the US good guys can't keep drugs from entering the country how on earth is it that some people think that they can keep terrorists out? - It does not make logical sense. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #63 September 18, 2007 QuoteMajor distinction there. As to worthiness, people who commit crimes to win elections are deserving of neither praise nor gratitude. People who risk their lives to protect our freedom to type back and forth about it are deserving of both. And for that reason, members of our army, navy, air force, and marines have my gratitude. Mercenaries aren't there to protect our freedoms, they're there for the paycheck, and my tax dollars ought to be thanks enough. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #64 September 18, 2007 QuoteThere has not been another attack since 9/11 . . . I meant to say no attacks, of signifigance, in the US. We can't prevent attacks in Europe. When 9/11 happened, how long had it been since an attack, of significance, in the US? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #65 September 18, 2007 QuoteQuoteMajor distinction there. As to worthiness, people who commit crimes to win elections are deserving of neither praise nor gratitude. People who risk their lives to protect our freedom to type back and forth about it are deserving of both. And for that reason, members of our army, navy, air force, and marines have my gratitude. Mercenaries aren't there to protect our freedoms, they're there for the paycheck, and my tax dollars ought to be thanks enough. Blues, Dave They're NOT mercenaries. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #66 September 18, 2007 How do you make that out? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #67 September 18, 2007 When you have a country with no form of national identity document, When a person can be born an live in the UK for all his life with only a birth certificate to identify him, Yes security is a joke. Security forces may do a good job, but they can't secure against the invisible, In the UK it's all to easy to be invisible, (even with the the worlds highest number of CCTV cameras) Now you get my drift. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #68 September 18, 2007 QuoteHow do you make that out? If that were the case, then Blackwater could conceivably go to work for Iran, AQ, North Korea, or whoever else paid the most. That is absolutely never going to happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #69 September 18, 2007 Quote When you have a country with no form of national identity document, When a person can be born an live in the UK for all his life with only a birth certificate to identify him, Yes security is a joke. Security forces may do a good job, but they can't secure against the invisible, In the UK it's all to easy to be invisible, (even with the the worlds highest number of CCTV cameras) Now you get my drift. Maybe you dont get mine. When comparing to the US, the UK's level of homeland security is, and has been for decades, much superior.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #70 September 18, 2007 QuoteThese "paid thugs" and "paid thugs" from previous wars and generations made it possible for you to have the freedoms you have. A little gratitude might be in order. Somewhat obtuse point of view. "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #71 September 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteMajor distinction there. As to worthiness, people who commit crimes to win elections are deserving of neither praise nor gratitude. People who risk their lives to protect our freedom to type back and forth about it are deserving of both. And for that reason, members of our army, navy, air force, and marines have my gratitude. Mercenaries aren't there to protect our freedoms, they're there for the paycheck, and my tax dollars ought to be thanks enough. Blues, Dave They're NOT mercenaries. They are just independent businessmen???----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #72 September 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteHow do you make that out? If that were the case, then Blackwater could conceivably go to work for Iran, AQ, North Korea, or whoever else paid the most. That is absolutely never going to happen. because they would lose their U.S. contracts? I mean, business is business.----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 379 #73 September 19, 2007 So you're saying the US does have a national identity document? What would that be, I don't think I've ever seen one._____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #74 September 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteAQ knows they can't be successful in the US because of tougher security Do you have any idea of the level of security in the UK? Or Israel? Ever taken an El Al flight? The lowest level of "security" that I have encountered was in Norway. For example, as recently as 2003 & 2004, some intra-national flights did not even require one to go through a metal detector or X-ray. That was fantastic! VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmanpilot 0 #75 September 21, 2007 QuoteThey're NOT mercenaries. No, and neither are they heroes, thugs, or soldiers. They are simply well paid bodyguards protecting US diplomats (and others) for a fat paycheck. They risk their lives providing a valuable service, and they frequently get ambushed like they did on Sunday. No heroics, they simply chose to fight instead of die._________________________________________ -There's always free cheese in a mouse trap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
