rehmwa 2 #26 September 20, 2007 QuoteAfter he leaves, you pick up the wreath and throw it away. It's a free country. He can say what he wants. That said, we also don't need to give him a press conference to cover his visit. And even if he had his own press corp to film the event, let them broadcast it to anyone who wants to see it. Then the viewers will probably say "damn, I can't believe that they let him do that. So THAT's what it's like to live in a free country". So that's what it's like to read a decent and well thought out post..... thanks ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #27 September 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteHe wouldn't do that. Like us, he is trying to win hearts and minds - us in Iraq, him here. I couldn't help but notice how skillful he has been in winning the hearts and minds of Jews. He's also done a great job with Americans by sending troops in and supporting insurgents who have killed American Soldiers in Iraq. Yep, he just really exudes warmth and caring for his fellow man. I didn't say that he is a good guy, I said that he is trying to win hearts and minds. That is why he started that blog of his. There are 2 sides in the fight, and both sides do their best to demonize and dehumanize the other side with propaganda. Him laying a wreath at ground zero would be a coup for his propaganda machine. At the same time, a leader in the Muslim world laying a wreath might send a good message to fence-sitting Muslims. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,501 #28 September 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteYep. We're supposed to be a free country and should lead by example. Suppose he lays a wreath and declares it's for the terrorists who died in the planes? Yeah, and suppose after that he announces they've been holding Elvis hostage all these years! What would you do then, huh?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #29 September 20, 2007 Let him visit. It's a free country. And he didn't cause 9/11. What are we saving by acting like dicks? We should be striving for peace wherever possible. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #30 September 20, 2007 He has vowed to destroy us - he shouldn't even be allowed in this country. I've got a few vacation suggestions for him: 1) How about 444 days of captivity in a small cell in Guantanamo. 2) A visit to a Nazi extermination camp. 3) We make his own "ground zero" for him in Tehran. If he visits that site, he is spitting in the face of all Americans, and will use it for publicity amongst his extremist muslim followers, to elevate his own stature amidst his fellow terrorists. The latest news is that he plans to visit, whether he has permission or not. New Yorkers should jam the streets, and not let his motorcade through! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #31 September 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteYep. We're supposed to be a free country and should lead by example. Suppose he lays a wreath and declares it's for the terrorists who died in the planes? Yeah, and suppose after that he announces they've been holding Elvis hostage all these years! What would you do then, huh? I'd say you and others who are like minded have been right all these years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #32 September 20, 2007 Quote Quote Yeah, and suppose after that he announces they've been holding Elvis hostage all these years! What would you do then, huh? I'd say you and others who are like minded have been right all these years. You mean that actually being right all these years doesn't count? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #33 September 20, 2007 QuoteHe has vowed to destroy us - he shouldn't even be allowed in this country. I've got a few vacation suggestions for him: 1) How about 444 days of captivity in a small cell in Guantanamo. 2) A visit to a Nazi extermination camp. 3) We make his own "ground zero" for him in Tehran. If he visits that site, he is spitting in the face of all Americans, and wil use it for publicity amongst his extremist muslim followers, to elevate his own stature amidst his fellow terrorists. So, when Reagan went to Moscow, it would have been a good idea for them to take him prisoner and ship him off to the Gulag? World leaders don't do the things you advocate for very good reasons. Wars that could be avoided would be fought due to lack of diplomacy. International relations would be reduced to chaos and assasinations. You get the idea. For him to go to ground zero would say MUCH more about the freedoms we enjoy and cherish in America than it would about his character. Muslims woudl say "Wow, they let Achmadickhead go to the site of the attack. That must really be a free land." Instead we are telling Muslims that they aresecond class scum when they come to America. (even if he is in our eyes, it's a bad message to send to the rest of the world) -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #34 September 20, 2007 This is one of those questions that if we lived in a time where people still had reason it shouldn’t be even asked. Iran had NOTHING to do with 9-11, and the government and its people stood by the side of what is right and in agreement with the US and the rest of the world. He has tried even writing a letter to GWB explaining how he was against the war in Iraq and how he believed the resources should have been used for the good of US citizens. There are many people who are in agreement with that in our own country. I know people are fearful of brown people but what’s the reasoning for such hostility? He is anti Israeli? So are many people in the world. It is unfortunate that many of our Jewish brothers automatically feel they are being attacked when Israeli policy is being attacked. Being anti Israeli does not mean you are anti Jewish. As for Threats we are the ones who called Iran axes of evil even when they have had no connection to ANY attacks that have been made against US citizens. People say Iran is in Iraq maybe but lets remember that we do have Iran surrounded on all borders what would we do? Hypocrisy is not a great policy, and if we want to have friendly relationship with the world, if we want diplomacy and democracy then we should lead by example not with a gun. The history between Iran and America has been very unproductive ever since the revolution. Please remember that Iran was one of are biggest allies in the past. We can sit there and say they are evil they say death to America, and we supplied Iran’s enemy in a bloody war that killed one million people. We can either move forward or keep on fighting. I believe moving forward and trying to move passed the past would be the wise choice for all.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #35 September 20, 2007 QuoteFor him to go to ground zero would say MUCH more about the freedoms we enjoy and cherish in America than it would about his character. Muslims woudl say "Wow, they let Achmadickhead go to the site of the attack. That must really be a free land." No. They would say; "Wow, those stupid Americans are even bigger fools and cowards than we thought. They are weaklings who we can attack and conquer with impunity!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #36 September 20, 2007 Quote Quote For him to go to ground zero would say MUCH more about the freedoms we enjoy and cherish in America than it would about his character. Muslims woudl say "Wow, they let Achmadickhead go to the site of the attack. That must really be a free land." No. They would say; "Wow, those stupid Americans are even bigger fools and cowards than we thought. They are weaklings who we can attack and conquer with impunity!" Yeah, that's what they will think.We've killed thousands upon thousands of them with guns, tanks, missile, smart bombs, etc. We defeated the world's 3-4th largest mechanized force in about 2 days. We pulled Saddam from a hole, showered him up and shaved him, then a few months later subjected him to public ridicule, hung him, and posted it on youtube. But yeah, they'll probably think we're weak.BTW - that's the most crazies I've used in a single post in some time. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,501 #37 September 20, 2007 QuoteI'd say you and others who are like minded have been right all these years. Right about what? I don't think Iran is holding Elvis hostage, I simply used it as a device to demonstrate how supremely unlikely your scenario was.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joedirt 0 #38 September 20, 2007 Quote Iran had NOTHING to do with 9-11 You know the 9/11 report mentions contacts between Iran and Al Queda. Just because they're Shia doesn't mean they haven't supported Sunni terrorists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #39 September 20, 2007 QuoteQuote Iran had NOTHING to do with 9-11 You know the 9/11 report mentions contacts between Iran and Al Queda. Just because they're Shia doesn't mean they haven't supported Sunni terrorists. The USA has supported Muslim extremists. (the Taliban and OBL when fighting the Soviets.) -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #40 September 20, 2007 Quote As for Threats we are the ones who called Iran axes of evil even when they have had no connection to ANY attacks that have been made against US citizens. BZZZZZT wrong answer How many of our troops were killed in the Beirut bombing of the Marine barracks....directed FROM IRAN? How many of our troops have been killed with Formed projetile weapons coming out of IRAN....? Yup sounds like peace loving muslims to me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #41 September 20, 2007 Quote Quote Iran had NOTHING to do with 9-11 You know the 9/11 report mentions contacts between Iran and Al Queda. Just because they're Shia doesn't mean they haven't supported Sunni terrorists. "Contacts"! Well then, hell yea, let's start the bombing!What would you suggest we do with a country that actually trained the 9/11 terrorists, say to fly planes or something like that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #42 September 20, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Iran had NOTHING to do with 9-11 You know the 9/11 report mentions contacts between Iran and Al Queda. Just because they're Shia doesn't mean they haven't supported Sunni terrorists. The USA has supported Muslim extremists. (the Taliban and OBL when fighting the Soviets.) That's a myth. The US never supported OBL. The Taliban didn't exist during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #43 September 20, 2007 Quote"Contacts"! Well then, hell yea, let's start the bombing! What would you suggest we do with a country that actually trained the 9/11 terrorists, say to fly planes or something like that? Since 15 of the 19 were Saudi...... and the Kingdom of Saud has more oil than Iraq... and theRoyal House of Saud have been supported from their inception by radical fundamentalist Isamlic Wahhabist murderers..... SHOCK AND AWE.. on Riyadh and Mecca and Medina baby. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #44 September 20, 2007 QuoteHow many of our troops have been killed with Formed projetile weapons coming out of IRAN....? Ok we want to play this game. How many people have we supported with weapons, and not to mention even WMD to kill Iranians and even Iranian civilians? See what I mean about hypocrisy. The sad part is you know better yet you lately are making the same ridicules comments that I would expect from Mark or John. And you forgot to mention the hostages from 25 years ago as well?I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #45 September 20, 2007 QuoteHow many people have we supported with weapons, and not to mention even WMD? In the here and now.. its IRAN killing our people.. you seem willing to give them a pass on that. The US supported Sadaam Insane in his war against IRAN.. BECAUSE of the Beirut bombing.. and personally since the Iranians cant act in a civilized manner in the normal diplomatic world and take hostagesand keep them for propaganda.. and spew their hate of death to America.. I take them at their word...a few more million dead would have been a good thing....less to deal with now and in the very near future. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,009 #46 September 20, 2007 >They are weaklings . . . When people readily confuse reason with weakness, reason is lost. I am glad the rest of the world does not treat us like you would treat other foreign leaders - and it is fortunate we (usually) have smarter leaders than that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #47 September 20, 2007 It seems to me that disallowing him to visit ground zero would actually look weaker. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Para_Frog 1 #48 September 20, 2007 Holy crap! Go Jeanne GO!- Harvey, BASE 1232 TAN-I, IAD-I, S&TA BLiNC Magazine Team Member Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joedirt 0 #49 September 20, 2007 *** And you forgot to mention the hostages from 25 years ago as well? *** I'll mention them, Col Chuck Scott and a few others swear that Ahmadinejad was one of his kidnappers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #50 September 20, 2007 Only if other heads of state are also allowed to visit it. The naysayers should remember that Afghanistan was our response to the events of 9/11/01, and if I remember correctly, Iran was supportive of that endeavor. Our current escapade in Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11/01 other than using it as a platform, and I don't blame Iran for being less than enthusiastic about it, for a variety of reasons. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
