Israel itching for another war?

[Darius11 12]

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So I guess the Iranian policy of MUSLIM only

Just one more thing to show you that research doesn’t mean typing “Iran bad country” in your google search bar.

Arabs are Muslims for the most part and every Kurd i knew (more then 20) Muslims as well. So you made the comments of Muslims only what in Iran?


This reminds me of a great Iranian saying. “The air that comes out of you mouth should take more thought then the air that comes out of your ass.”

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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This reminds me of a great Iranian saying. “The air that comes out of you mouth should take more thought then the air that comes out of your ass.”

Nice PA there

The link comes from search REPRESSION IN IRAN...

and paints a far different picture of the crap you are trying to feed us about all the rights and how good the place is.,

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Wow i should go to radicalparty.com for my news ha?

I think it beats the propaganda the mullahs are dishing out.

Have I ever used a mullah’s web site or news article?

If not how does your comment relate?


I have posted many articals on Israel that were writen by Christians and just now posted another one that was written by a Jewish man who lived in Israel

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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If killing civilians is bad with a suicide bomb it is equally bad with a rocket. Dead is dead.

let me ask you this, a hamas member, in civilian clothes, firing rockets from a civilian back yard is a legitimate target?
yes, innocent civilians are getting hurt, but when you make a habbit of using them as shields, its unavoidable. there is a huge difference between a civilian that was targetted and a civilian that wasn't.

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May I remind you that there was not a single bomb denoted by the Palestinians in Israel until an Israeli man decided to massacre 24 Muslims who were peacefully praying.

hold on. you are actually claiming there were no terror attacks against israeli civilians before the incident in Hebron (which is also a terror act in my book) and keep a straight face?
the fact that they've mostly used guns and hijacking instead of suicide bombing doesnt matter (maybe its their way of evolution...

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When you have "Jews only" roads or any thing that is specified for a certain race or certain religion that should be for the public regardless of race color or creed, guesses what we call that?

security, a result of many many drive by shootings and ambushes.
there are more areas in the west bank that i'm allowed into then the kinds of roads you are talking about.

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You said they blow them selves up. I said the reason they retaliate by the means of a suicide bombs

here's a fresh thought...
take a break, try to build your nation and invest in that instead of in violence.
take Gaza as an example, i cannot stress enough how much hope we had when Israel has pulled out of gaza. there was no Israeli presence there what so ever. yet, not a few days passed before rocket were flying across the border...
trust me when i say this as an Israeli. there is nothing that we want more than to just live in peace. even to the point that we are willing to give up precious lands that we consider our own.
O

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

[Amazon 7]

Here is how much Women in Iran have more rights....like I cant even belive you belive that line of bullshit..

http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/khatami.htm

Iranian women were strong participants in the 1979 revolution, but fundamentalists, led by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, seized control after the revolution. Once in power, the fundamentalists betrayed the work and humanity of women by implementing a crushing system of gender apartheid. Fundamentalists built their theocracy on the premise that women are physically, intellectually and morally inferior to men, which eclipses the possibility of equal participation in any area of social or political activity. Biological determinism prescribes women’s roles and duties to be child bearing and care taking, and providing comfort and satisfaction to husbands.

Men were granted the power to make all family decisions, including the movement of women and custody of the children. "Your wife, who is your possession, is in fact, your slave," is the mullah’s legal view of women’s status. (2) The misogyny of the mullahs made women the embodiment of sexual seduction and vice. To protect the sexual morality of society, women had to be covered and banned from engaging in "immodest" activity. (3)

[Darius11 12]

It is an actual saying translated.

Sorry if you feel it is a pa.

Is saying think before you post a PA? Basically that’s what I meant as it seems you are just on a rampage against anything that is Muslim, and ion a rush to post anything negative you do not take time to research what you are saying.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Your assertion that the land is in dispute comes from where?

from the basic fact that there are two different nations who consider this land their home.

for every map you bring, i can bring one that proves the opposite. this land is/was occupied by different people throughout history and unless you set a "date of ownership", none of that matters. the land has to be shared.
you must understand, the fact that Israel is willing to give up parts of the land for peace doesnt mean we care less about the land, it means we care more about peace.
but whenever we try to give some sort of self rulling to the palestinians, all we get is more violence.

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

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I am posting things to make you think about the absolute hypocrisy you are displaying in the statements you are making.

Positions on so many things you pst are coming thru some very stange set of rose colored glasses that I can not understand since you live here in the west.. I can only assume you want to make this country mirror what you are seeing thru that filter.

Aint happenin...

[Darius11 12]

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let me ask you this, a hamas member, in civilian clothes, firing rockets from a civilian back yard is a legitimate target?

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yes, innocent civilians are getting hurt, but when you make a habbit of using them as shields, its unavoidable. there is a huge difference between a civilian that was targetted and a civilian that wasn't.

History at least IMHO shows Israel does not value Palestinian lives and views them as less then humane. They have repeatedly killed and attacked areas where it is obvious there will be major inocent lives lost.

A questions for you.

Do you believe you should be punished for the actions of your adult children?
If they steel a car you go to jail?
What is your opinion of bulldozing houses with a court date basically with out any form of what we would view as a judicial hearing?

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hold on. you are actually claiming there were no terror attacks against israeli civilians before the incident in Hebron (which is also a terror act in my book) and keep a straight face?

No what I know to be fact is that no bombs were detnated on Israeli soil until that incident.

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security, a result of many many drive by shootings and ambushes.
there are more areas in the west bank that i'm allowed into then the kinds of roads you are talking about.

But there are such roads I am not making it up. So no matter what your reasoning behind it is it is still apartheid is it not?
I am sure there are some whites in South Africa who can claim there apartheid served a purpose for them as well however it does not make it right.

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here's a fresh thought...
take a break, try to build your nation and invest in that instead of in violence.
take Gaza as an example, i cannot stress enough how much hope we had when Israel has pulled out of gaza. there was no Israeli presence there what so ever. yet, not a few days passed before rocket were flying across the border...
trust me when i say this as an Israeli. there is nothing that we want more than to just live in peace. even to the point that we are willing to give up precious lands that we consider our own.

We are not in disagreement here.
I am not claiming the Palestinian government is flawless far from it. If Arafat and his wife actually invested in the region and not stole every penny that was supposed to be aid they would improve the lives of there people dramatically.


It would make me greatly happy if not another drop of blood was spilled again on any side in this conflict.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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for every map you bring, i can bring one that proves the opposite. this land is/was occupied by different people throughout history and unless you set a "date of ownership", none of that matters. the land has to be shared.

The modern state of Israel already has internationally recognized borders. By international law as expressed by the very institution that founded the modern state of Israel, Israel must give back the land it has taken since 1967 unless a mutually acceptable land exchange can be agreed to.

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you must understand, the fact that Israel is willing to give up parts of the land for peace doesnt mean we care less about the land, it means we care more about peace.
but whenever we try to give some sort of self rulling to the palestinians, all we get is more violence.

I've heard that line before. Yet I still see land being taken. It's kind of hard to convince people that you want to give it back if you continue to take more.
We've been over this many times before which is why I didn't participate very much earlier in this thread. You think that Israel has some right to the land outside of its borders. I (and the UN and the US) don't.

[Darius11 12]

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I am posting things to make you think about the absolute hypocrisy you are displaying in the statements you are making.

Positions on so many things you pst are coming thru some very stange set of rose colored glasses that I can not understand since you live here in the west.. I can only assume you want to make this country mirror what you are seeing thru that filter.

Aint happenin...

If you referring to my beliefs as a whole then you are very wrong.
My personal belief is this. Do what ever the heck you want, as long as it does not effect others the government should stay out.
That is not like Iran and if I wanted to live in Iran I would, but I don’t. Because I love weed, ham, beer, halo3, pussy before I get married, and my GTO. But living in Iran I also know I am viewed as a deviant by most of the population specially being so open about it.

So do I have the right to change the majorities view because they choose to live by a strict code?
Do I have the right to make ham, beer, and weed readily available in Iran just because a minority enjoys this?
Do I have the right insult a massive majority of people by disrespecting their religious beliefs because of my own beliefs when I am in their land?

You see I don’t think I have that right. Maybe it’s from travelling a lot when I was younger but when I go to Rome I do as the Romans do. If I don’t want to then I don’t go there.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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>“The air that comes out of you mouth should take more thought then
>the air that comes out of your ass.”

Darius, cut it out. I don't care if it's a translation of a PA, it's still a PA.

>the absolute hypocrisy you are displaying
>coming thru some very stange set of rose colored glasses

Jeanie, enough already.

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If you referring to my beliefs as a whole then you are very wrong.
My personal belief is this. Do what ever the heck you want, as long as it does not effect others the government should stay out.
That is not like Iran and if I wanted to live in Iran I would, but I don’t. Because I love weed, ham, beer, halo3, pussy before I get married, and my GTO. But living in Iran I also know I am viewed as a deviant by most of the population specially being so open about it.

So do I have the right to change the majorities view because they choose to live by a strict code?
Do I have the right to make ham, beer, and weed readily available in Iran just because a minority enjoys this?
Do I have the right insult a massive majority of people by disrespecting their religious beliefs because of my own beliefs when I am in their land?

You see I don’t think I have that right. Maybe it’s from travelling a lot when I was younger but when I go to Rome I do as the Romans do. If I don’t want to then I don’t go there.

What about the people in the minority that are born in Iran and are unable to move out of Iran ...

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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... I love weed, ham, beer, halo3, pussy before I get married, and my GTO. ....

Didn't Julie Andrews sing that in the "R" rated version of "The Sound of Music"?

"Raindrops on roses
and weed, beer and Halo....."

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So is your new posting regarding this incident

Acutely no it was posted on post 9 by another person, you should read the thread before you decide to attack.

Attacking without facts is never a good idea

It's hard when you mix and match details from both threads. Hence, I asked for clarification, because it was no longer clear that you were talking (err, making shit up about) a new air incursion.

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Yes

ok then, how about the civilian home he is firing from?
should he be spared because he is using civilians as shields?
international law clearly states that whoever is engaged in war should be clearly marked (uniform) and must not operate from within civilian areas.

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What is your opinion of bulldozing houses with a court date basically with out any form of what we would view as a judicial hearing?

if that home was used for terroristic activity, i have no problem with that.
i'd rather stop the suicide bomber himself but if the only way to get to him is through his family, then so be it.

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No what I know to be fact is that no bombs were dented on Israeli soil until that incident.

first of all, you are sooo wrong.
Hamas did pick up the pace during those years but...
in 1993:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehola_Junction_bombing
take a look at this list (just seach for "bomb")
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/terrisrael-3.html and you'll see dozens of bombs that were detonated in israel throughout the years.
not that breaking into a high school and shooting students (Maalot, 1974) or hijacking airplanes (70's) is any better than suicide bombings

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But there are such roads I am not making it up. So no matter what your reasoning behind it is it is still apartheid is it not?
I am sure there are some whites in South Africa who can claim there apartheid served a purpose for them as well however it does not make it right.

wrong, the reasoning is all that matters.

O

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

[Darius11 12]

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What about the people in the minority that are born in Iran and are unable to move out of Iran ...

If you are a minority in Iran i.e. Christina or Jewish, or Zoroastrian (major minorities in Iran). Shahrie or Muslim law does not effect you.

I know and went to school with Christians in Iran who unlike my self a Muslim can drink whine, Celebrate there religion, The national News whishes merry Christmas, They are not harmed or ridiculed there is no social stigma.

Fuck most of the Muslim teenagers I know wish we could pretend to be Christians so we could get drunk or hang out with our girl friends in public without fear.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Israel must give back the land it has taken since 1967

first of all, lets be accurate.
the west bank was taken from Jordan and the Gaza strip was taken from Egypt. both don't want any part of it back.
Israel has stated and was more than willing to have a settlement with the palestinians, giving them self control in these areas.
to "just give it back" sounds like a great idea, only reality prooves otherwise.
Israel "just gave away" Gaza, and looks whats happening there. should we do the same in the west bank and get rockets all over the country?
O

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

[kelpdiver 2]

So we're back to the same old shit.

Let's talk about these (two?) flybys this month by the Israeli Air Force. Darius says there were attacks, though his article shows no bombings and the Syrians deny any bombing took place in the first one. The claim of this thread is that Israel is trying to initiate the first international war since the 70s...let's stay on topic.

[Darius11 12]

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... I love weed, ham, beer, halo3, pussy before I get married, and my GTO. ....

Didn't Julie Andrews sing that in the "R" rated version of "The Sound of Music"?

"Raindrops on roses
and weed, beer and Halo....."

now i am going to be have those words with that rythem in my head the whole day.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Darius11 12]

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So is your new posting regarding this incident

Acutely no it was posted on post 9 by another person, you should read the thread before you decide to attack.

Attacking without facts is never a good idea

It's hard when you mix and match details from both threads. Hence, I asked for clarification, because it was no longer clear that you were talking (err, making shit up about) a new air incursion.

one thread this thread 9th post.

You said i was making up lias.

Here is the link again.


http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1284716,00.html

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[kelpdiver 2]

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Sorry the page that you are looking for does not exist.

[Darius11 12]

sorry try again it is up now.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Thus far Syria has only admitted Israel breached its airspace, but insists it did not bomb anything, merely dumping its munitions instead.

"All this rubbish is not true. I don't know how their imagination has reached such creativity," said Syrian official Bouthaina Shaaban.

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first of all, lets be accurate.
the west bank was taken from Jordan and the Gaza strip was taken from Egypt. both don't want any part of it back.

It still isn't Israel's to occupy.

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Israel has stated and was more than willing to have a settlement with the palestinians, giving them self control in these areas.

Self control? By that Israel means it can have something it calls a "state" but travel through that non-contiguous state, imports, exports, airspace, airwaves, etc are all under Israeli control. We went over that earlier too.

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to "just give it back" sounds like a great idea, only reality prooves otherwise.
Israel "just gave away" Gaza, and looks whats happening there.

You're quite aware of how much of an misstated oversimplification that talking point is.

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should we do the same in the west bank and get rockets all over the country?
O

Why don't we start small with the ceasing of the issuance of building permits and then having the settlers leave the illegal settlements?