Israel itching for another war?

[Darius11 12]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6981674.stm

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Syria 'fires on Israel warplanes'
Syria has said its air defences opened fire on Israeli warplanes after they violated its airspace in the north of the country.
Syrian officials said the defences forced the jets to drop ammunition over deserted areas and turn back, according to the official news agency, Sana.

Israel's military said it would not comment on the reports.

Israel and Syria remain technically at war and tensions between them have been rising in recent months.

The Syrian government has insisted that peace talks can be resumed only on the basis of Israel returning the Golan Heights, which it seized in 1967.

Israeli authorities, for their part, have demanded that Syria abandon its support for Palestinian and Lebanese militant groups before talks can begin.

The last peace talks between the two countries broke down in 2000.

'Enemy aircraft'

A Syrian military spokesman said the Israeli warplanes had flown into Syrian airspace at around 0100 local time on Thursday morning, Sana reported.

"The Israeli enemy aircraft infiltrated into the Arab Syrian territory through the northern border, coming from the Mediterranean heading toward the eastern region, breaking the sound barrier," he said.

They were then engaged by Syrian air defence forces in the Tall al-Abyad, an area 160km (100 miles) north of Raqqa and near the border with Turkey, witnesses said.


Israel in fact does not want peace - it cannot survive without aggression, treachery and military messages
Mohsen Bilal
Syrian Information Minister


"Air defence units confronted them and forced them to leave after they dropped some ammunition in deserted areas without causing any human or material damage," the spokesman said.

Pilots sometimes jettison ammunition or extra fuel to make their aircraft lighter and easier to manoeuvre.

Syria's Information Minister, Mohsen Bilal, told al-Jazeera TV that his government was "seriously studying the nature of the response".

"Israel in fact does not want peace," he said. "It cannot survive without aggression, treachery and military messages."

Tensions

Officials in Damascus said Syrian forces last fired at Israeli warplanes in June 2006, when they flew over the summer residence of the Syrian president in Lattakia, while he was inside.


Over the past few months, the leaders of both countries have both stressed that they do not want war.

But both sides have also been preparing for possible conflict.

In June, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert insisted his country did not want war with Syria, and that he had communicated this to Damascus through diplomatic channels.

He also repeated his warning that a "miscalculation" could spark hostilities between the two.

Mr Olmert's statement came after the Israeli military staged major exercises in the Golan Heights. Syria is also reported to have recently built up its armaments along the border.

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I figured we might as well start early, I know when the war starts once again most Israeli supporters will have selective memory and claim Israel wants peace.

Also I find it funny that the name of the article is “Syria Fires on Isreal Warplanes” how about Israel violates Syrian air space AGAIN? Yea no media bias at all.

But that seems to be the case in most of the reports that come in regards to Israel in the west. They mention what the Arabs did but always forgot to point out why and in retaliation to what.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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It seems to me that they are waiting the likely civil war / disturbance which will possibly occur at election time in Lebanon (now been delayed until Oct 23) at which point both countries can use Lebanon as a battlefield (again).

To know requires proof
To believe requires evidence
To have faith requires neither.
If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again

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Perhaps a bit of reading on some history of the Arab attacks on the state of Israel that led to the 1948 and 1956 and 1967 and 1973... from something other than the source where The President of Iran learned his history is in Order.

[Darius11 12]

We can argue this all over again but my time is valuable and it has become obvious in the past months that your point is not discussion but just to start shit.

Do you have any thing to add in regards to this article or just trying to stir shit up as usual?

Really before you try to tell someone to read you should try it your self.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Perhaps a bit of reading on some history of the Arab attacks on the state of Israel that led to the 1948 and 1956 and 1967 and 1973... from something other than the source where The President of Iran learned his history is in Order.

Here we go again.
When reading history it's generally a good rule to not skip every other paragraph.

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As far as I'm concerned, the fucking Arabs and the fucking Jews can ALL get bent. Fucking wipe eachother off the planet and get it over with, or shut the hell up and live your lives.

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[Darius11 12]

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As far as I'm concerned, the fucking Arabs and the fucking Jews can ALL get bent. Fucking wipe eachother off the planet and get it over with, or shut the hell up and live your lives.

That would be great if we did that. Basically stopped interfering in other countries affaires. Sending tons of weapons and sending billions of dollars a year to Israel is definitely not the way to do it.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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As far as I'm concerned, the fucking Arabs and the fucking Jews can ALL get bent. Fucking wipe eachother off the planet and get it over with, or shut the hell up and live your lives.

That would be great if we did that. Basically stopped interfering in other countries affaires. Sending tons of weapons and sending billions of dollars a year to Israel is definitely not the way to do it.

Hey, newsflash bud - we send millions in weapons to the Arabs, too. Pakistan, Egypt, Saudia Arabia, to name a few. As a matter of fact, Saudi Arabia is our top customer. They ALL get millions to billions of dollars in aid:

http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/egypt.htm
http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/saudi_arabia.htm

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As far as I'm concerned, the fucking Arabs and the fucking Jews can ALL get bent. Fucking wipe eachother off the planet and get it over with, or shut the hell up and live your lives.

That would be great if we did that. Basically stopped interfering in other countries affaires. Sending tons of weapons and sending billions of dollars a year to Israel is definitely not the way to do it.

>http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1284716,00.html

Someone may know how to link the site above. But Israel had a good reason to put a hole in the desert.

[Darius11 12]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1284716,00.html


Oh yea cause you know Isreail is such a peaceful nation only they should be allowed to have nuclear weapons.
I heard this on Jay Severn last night. It is always funny how our media takes the words of murderers like MOSSAD agents as the gospel. Cause if there is one thing history has shown us is that you can trust Israel they don’t ever lie.

We support there policing and bullying of the whole Middle East.


Wow I wonder why people hate Israel??????

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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As far as I'm concerned, the fucking Arabs and the fucking Jews can ALL get bent. Fucking wipe eachother off the planet and get it over with, or shut the hell up and live your lives.

That would be great if we did that. Basically stopped interfering in other countries affaires. Sending tons of weapons and sending billions of dollars a year to Israel is definitely not the way to do it.

You sound like a man of principles. It must be a terrible burden knowing that your tax dollars support Jewish terrorism and the war in Iraq. Have you ever considered joining the fight against both?

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

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We can argue this all over again but my time is valuable and it has become obvious in the past months that your point is not discussion but just to start shit.

Do you have any thing to add in regards to this article or just trying to stir shit up as usual?

Really before you try to tell someone to read you should try it your self.

I have read about it Darius..... ALL the millions of Muslim antagonists are so fucking impotent that they have not been able to wipe out the Jews..... boo hoo so sad...and everytime they try they loose more..At least the Egyptians and the Jordanians sprouted some brain cells and made peace.( before they lost MORE territory)


Oh WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

Shall we call the WAAAAAAAMbulance for all that angst????


THis issue is a long standing one.. they are not itching for a war......

THEY ARE AT WAR...... NEITHER side is willing to meet the others demands for peace talks.

The Israelis took the Golan Heights in war... and hold the area as a stragic buffer to keep their cities from being shelled and rocketed just as they were before the 1967 war.

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I don’t believe that fighting is the only solution, I hope we have come further in our means of dealing with conflict then the day the wheal was invented.


As for Israel I am fighting right now not for Palestine, not for Arabs, but for truth.
I have heard people in the US say the most uninformed things about the conflict. Mainly because are media is extremely bias. Most of the time if you questions any thing or criticize Israel you are labeled anti-Semitic a nazi just for speaking the truth.

This article I posted is a great example.
The title says Syria fired on Israeli warplanes.

Who would you believe was the aggressor after reading that title?

It should say Israeli violated Syrian air space and therefore were fired upon.

Americans have been receiving false or very slanted information bout Israel ever since the beginning. This is just a very tiny example.

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It must be a terrible burden knowing that your tax dollars support Jewish terrorism

Absolutely. I don’t want a single dollar of mine to go towards supporting an apartheid regime any where in the world being Jewish does not excuse it being any religion or having no religion does not excuse it.

As mentioned above I am fighting so are many others with information with truth. If you step outside the US borders you will find many have seen the facts and relies Israel should not be supported not only because it is an apartheid but as a gross violator of UN sanctions, and humane rights.

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It must be a terrible burden knowing that your tax dollars support Jewish terrorism and the war in Iraq. Have you ever considered joining the fight against both?

As for Iraq what would I be fighting for?
Why would I kill a poor Iraqi who wants us to get the fuck out and let him live his life? or
Why would I kill a US troop that has people who love him at home and who is willing to die for my freedom? That seems A very sleazy thing to. I don’t believe in biting the hand that feeds(or in this case grants me freedom).
We must thank the men and woman who fight for us every day. It is not there job to chose the fight.

When it comes to Iraq my anger and frustration is only towards the sheep who were stupid enough to support this war, and some who are still bahhhhhhhh bahhhhhhing along.
I and others have mentioned on here over and over again that if you really care about the men and woman who are willing to die for our country you damn well better make sure you are risking there lives for more then Oil profit, and no bid contracts.

We live in a weird world when the people trying to save lives are viewed as the cowards but the ones sitting at home who are willing to send others to die are considered patriotic.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Darius11 12]

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I have read about it Darius..... ALL your millions of Muslim brothers are so fucking impotent that they have not been able to wipe out the Jews

It seems your style has become simply inflammatory using words that would cause anger. You seem to take every opportunity to dehumanize Muslims that is a tactic that is usually used by ones that want to start genocide.

Again you change words. This is not and has never been about killing Jews it is about a hostile take over and the murders that went with it and that are still being committed today. Why do we support them?

Israel is an Apartheid, It is a violator of international law, Violator of Humane rights, a violator of UN resolution, has the most children in it’s prison systems, is the inventor of the preemptive attack.

These are all facts yet you fail to see them over and over again or you are a hypocrite you think these rules should only be applied to the people you don’t like.
You don’t seem to be offended by the crime being committed but more of who is commuting the crime.
That simply is not justice.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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(in reference to post #13)
Nice post Darius.

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It seems your style has become simply inflammatory using words that would cause anger. You seem to take every opportunity to dehumanize Muslims that is a tactic that is usually used by ones that want to start genocide.

If they are too stupid to learn from their mistakes.. and not make peace and they continue in an endless war then yes they need to wiped out IT IS CALLED WAR. In War you kill the enemy until he has had enough and makes peace... The Israelis have the bomb.. yet they have not used it. Perhaps they actually do want peace.

BUT if the Iranians get a nuclear weapon. I think they will use it... their president has already called for the Jewish state to be obliterated. If a Nuke goes off in Tel Aviv...what do you think the outcome will be?

I applaud the Israelis attempts at preventing that from happening. why let an avowed enemy aquire the means to murder millions of your citizens if you can stop it.

Get real here.

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why let an avowed enemy aquire the means to murder millions of your citizens if you can stop it

I don't know, why? (From other posts you appear to be against everything the U.S. does to prevent avowed enemies from acquiring the means to murder millions of U.S. citizens.)

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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It seems your style has become simply inflammatory using words that would cause anger. You seem to take every opportunity to dehumanize Muslims that is a tactic that is usually used by ones that want to start genocide.

If they are too stupid to learn from their mistakes.. and not make peace and they continue in an endless war then yes they need to wiped out IT IS CALLED WAR. In War you kill the enemy until he has had enough and makes peace... The Israelis have the bomb.. yet they have not used it. Perhaps they actually do want peace.

BUT if the Iranians get a nuclear weapon. I think they will use it... their president has already called for the Jewish state to be obliterated. If a Nuke goes off in Tel Aviv...what do you think the outcome will be?

I applaud the Israelis attempts at preventing that from happening. why let an avowed enemy aquire the means to murder millions of your citizens if you can stop it.

Get real here.

I don't know why, but I think Kim Jong Il is more likely to drop a nuclear bomb on Seoul than Iran is of attacking Israel. North Korea is one of the most desolate countries in the world. There is almost nothing redeeming about that place and I wouldn't put it past that nutcase to take as many down with him if he so desired. North and South Korea are still technically at war. And yes, those motherfuckers sold nuclear secrets to Iran and I bet to Syria as well.

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You might want to READ more closely then.. Obviously you have missed something..in your rush to mislabel with your broad brush of labeling.

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Obviosly you have missed something... with your broad brush of labeling.

You use one of the broadest brushes in Speakers Corner ... Why don't you actually attempt to read and comprehend what I (and others) write for once.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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Do you have any thing to add in regards to this article or just trying to stir shit up as usual?

Irony score - 8.

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Israel is itching for a world where it doesn't need to have universal military conscription of all its citizens. Its neighbors deny them that option. Is a flyover a hostile action? Sure, but if they're still in a a state of war, hardly shocking. We sent spy planes over the USSR for decades. The denied reports about the Israelis bombing a nuclear facility would be a different category.

The rest of this thread is a rehash of the same old lines of bullshit.

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Why don't you actually attempt to read and comprehend what I (and others) write for once.

Irony score well off the scale

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I don’t believe that fighting is the only solution, I hope we have come further in our means of dealing with conflict then the day the wheal was invented.


As for Israel I am fighting right now not for Palestine, not for Arabs, but for truth.
I have heard people in the US say the most uninformed things about the conflict. Mainly because are media is extremely bias. Most of the time if you questions any thing or criticize Israel you are labeled anti-Semitic a nazi just for speaking the truth.

This article I posted is a great example.
The title says Syria fired on Israeli warplanes.

Who would you believe was the aggressor after reading that title?

It should say Israeli violated Syrian air space and therefore were fired upon.

Americans have been receiving false or very slanted information bout Israel ever since the beginning. This is just a very tiny example.

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Isn't it a little futile for Israel to talk with any nation that refuses to recognize their right to exist or refuses to recognize their right of self-defense. Do you believe any of the above? Do you believe the rest of the Middle East should come out of the closet and recognize Israel? As for Israel violating Syrian airspace, wasn't it odd, there was nothing said in the beginning from Syria? I read something about some kind of weapons shipment from overseas they did not want to admit receiving so initially they said nothing about this incident .

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It must be a terrible burden knowing that your tax dollars support Jewish terrorism

Absolutely. I don’t want a single dollar of mine to go towards supporting an apartheid regime any where in the world being Jewish does not excuse it being any religion or having no religion does not excuse it.

As mentioned above I am fighting so are many others with information with truth. If you step outside the US borders you will find many have seen the facts and relies Israel should not be supported not only because it is an apartheid but as a gross violator of UN sanctions, and humane rights.

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It must be a terrible burden knowing that your tax dollars support Jewish terrorism and the war in Iraq. Have you ever considered joining the fight against both?

As for Iraq what would I be fighting for?
Why would I kill a poor Iraqi who wants us to get the fuck out and let him live his life? or
Why would I kill a US troop that has people who love him at home and who is willing to die for my freedom? That seems A very sleazy thing to. I don’t believe in biting the hand that feeds(or in this case grants me freedom).
We must thank the men and woman who fight for us every day. It is not there job to chose the fight.

When it comes to Iraq my anger and frustration is only towards the sheep who were stupid enough to support this war, and some who are still bahhhhhhhh bahhhhhhing along.
I and others have mentioned on here over and over again that if you really care about the men and woman who are willing to die for our country you damn well better make sure you are risking there lives for more then Oil profit, and no bid contracts.

We live in a weird world when the people trying to save lives are viewed as the cowards but the ones sitting at home who are willing to send others to die are considered patriotic.

It's very commendable of you not to bite the hand that feeds you.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

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Why don't you actually attempt to read and comprehend what I (and others) write for once.

Irony score well off the scale

Did you fail to read or comprehend the post? There is nothing ironic about it.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch