Are cops going too far?

[georgerussia 0]

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I use the 60-40% rule while I'm working.

I've read somewhere that the most statistically correct rule is around 13 - 8 - 79 in percentage; it's worth notice that the number of people who does not like someone or something no matter what is always larger that the opposite number of people who always like the same things no matter what.

BTW, USSR cops were really good (and probably much closer to U.S. police) comparing to current ones in Russia.

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[algboy 0]

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You dont just randomly die after being handcuffed. Something went down...thats for sure.

From the link, please note the following:

"Authorities have said Carol Anne Gotbaum, who was handcuffed and shackled to a bench, may have accidentally strangled herself Friday."

"Police said she was later found unconscious and not breathing with the chain from the shackle pulled against the front of her neck. It appeared that Gotbaum got tangled as she tried to manipulate the handcuffs from behind her to the front, police said.
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So much for it definitely being the cops' fault.

Well, I guess that it explains it then. Thank God we have the cops' spokesperson to tell us what happened. Now move along . . . there's nothing to see here . . .

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Does anyone in this thread truly believe that the cops strangled this woman, there are so many pathetic theories about how the cops, and coroner have some little arrangement so the cops can get away with murder, its sad. People die, idiots die early, this woman was an idiot.

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
--Dwight D. Eisenhower

[jenfly00 0]

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Does anyone in this thread truly believe that the cops strangled this woman, there are so many pathetic theories about how the cops, and coroner have some little arrangement so the cops can get away with murder, its sad. People die, idiots die early, this woman was an idiot.

I have no reason to believe that. However, when you use the power of arrest to detain and restrain an out of control person, then you have assumed, to a large degree, responsibility for their safety.

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[akarunway 1]

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I'm telling you, there is nothing worse than an emotional, out of control female. It's by the numbers, I'm sure her family will sue and the airport will settle. My guess is she was put in the holding cell, she kept kicking and screaming so she was shackled to a bar in the holding cell. We have one we use in these situations. We are required to check on a prisoner every 15 min. If the person mentions suicide in any way then we watch them until a life squad arrives. Again, my guess was she contorted herself messing with the hand cuffs and wham, where are where we are.

Wouldn't you think she should be watched 24/7 on video or in person? My daughter just tried suicide and she was leather restrained for 3 days and constantly watched. (by me among others)Then the state of Ca. gave her a new bottle of pills and cut her loose. Don't know what else to say.

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[skycop 0]

If suicide is not mentioned then no.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[The_Almighty 0]

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Very accruate,
I'd put the number at 95%, but then again I'm biased

I use the 60-40% rule while I'm working.

20% of the people don't like cops, the government, or authority in general. They are always railing against the cops good, bad or indifferent.

20% will back up the cops no matter what, this is the law and order crowd.

The remaining 60% are good hard working people, who are reasonable, fair, and generally impartial. These type of people make up the majority of the jury pool. If these people think I'm doing a good job, then I am doing my job! Those are the type of people I work hardest to please. The chips fall where they fall on the others.

isn't that a 60-20-20 rule?

[The_Almighty 0]

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Does anyone in this thread truly believe that the cops strangled this woman, there are so many pathetic theories about how the cops, and coroner have some little arrangement so the cops can get away with murder, its sad. People die, idiots die early, this woman was an idiot.

After regularly seeing how yank cops are overly agressive when arresting the average motorist, then yeah i would think that they could easily kill somebody.... american cops seem to think they can be as agressive as they like if you don't immediately obey their every word (as if they're god or something)

I'm sure Rodney King might have an opinion on yank cops too

[skycop 0]

I always sucked at math........

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[skycop 0]

Oh yea,
How's this for a broad generalization.......
All Brit's have bad teeth, I mean just look at Austin Powers........

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[NCclimber 0]

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After regularly seeing how yank cops are overly agressive when arresting the average motorist, then yeah i would think that they could easily kill somebody.... american cops seem to think they can be as agressive as they like if you don't immediately obey their every word (as if they're god or something)

Overly aggressive when arresting the average motorist????

And just how many times have you been present to such displays of aggression? Throughout my life I've had numerous run-ins with cops - maybe 20 or so. I've been arrested a few times, mostly alcohol related offenses. I don't recall a single time where a cop was "overly aggressive".

[The_Almighty 0]

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After regularly seeing how yank cops are overly agressive when arresting the average motorist, then yeah i would think that they could easily kill somebody.... american cops seem to think they can be as agressive as they like if you don't immediately obey their every word (as if they're god or something)

Overly aggressive when arresting the average motorist????

And just how many times have you been present to such displays of aggression? Throughout my life I've had numerous run-ins with cops - maybe 20 or so. I've been arrested a few times, mostly alcohol related offenses. I don't recall a single time where a cop was "overly aggressive".

too pissed to remeber eh? you want to drink less youth

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After regularly seeing how yank cops are overly agressive when arresting the average motorist, then yeah i would think that they could easily kill somebody.... american cops seem to think they can be as agressive as they like if you don't immediately obey their every word (as if they're god or something)

Overly aggressive when arresting the average motorist????

And just how many times have you been present to such displays of aggression? Throughout my life I've had numerous run-ins with cops - maybe 20 or so. I've been arrested a few times, mostly alcohol related offenses. I don't recall a single time where a cop was "overly aggressive".

too pissed to remeber eh? you want to drink less youth

Let's try again:

And just how many times have you been present to such displays of aggression?

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[GQ_jumper 4]

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Does anyone in this thread truly believe that the cops strangled this woman, there are so many pathetic theories about how the cops, and coroner have some little arrangement so the cops can get away with murder, its sad. People die, idiots die early, this woman was an idiot.

I have no reason to believe that. However, when you use the power of arrest to detain and restrain an out of control person, then you have assumed, to a large degree, responsibility for their safety.

I agree with you completely that once someone is placed under arrest the arresting agency has a responsibility to protect them, but if you have to assign someone to do nothing other than watch your detainee you have effectively reduced the number of people available to respond to another situation. Unless someone has directly expressed an interest in wanting to cause harm to his/herself than checking up on them at regular intervals is perfectly acceptable IMO. This woman caused a problem was restrained as a result of her own actions and from what the evidence is pointing to made her own situation worse which ended up costing her own life. She made the concious decision to cause a problem and continued to make it even worse after the fact.

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
--Dwight D. Eisenhower

[jenfly00 0]

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She made the concious decision to cause a problem and continued to make it even worse after the fact.

I think we would both agree she was out of control. She was on her way to a treatment program for alcoholics. I don't have enough information to agree that she made a conscious decision. Perhaps she did, but have you ever seen anyone in full blown Delirium Tremems?

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[normiss 801]

Agreed!
It was painfully obvious this woman was not in any normal state of mind. They should have supervised her fully.

[BeteNoire 0]

Of course not, they're only acting to keep us safe.