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QuoteIf prisons are as great as you seem to think, why aren't people breaking IN to them?
How'd you conclude that?
Richards 0
QuoteIf prisons are as great as you seem to think, why aren't people breaking IN to them? I only ever hear of people breaking OUT.QuoteQuote***This guy is a fuck up, not a hardened criminal.
So send him to a minimum security facility instead of putting him in with killers and rapists. He should still go away.QuoteI'd rather save real-estate in prisons for those that are more grave threats to society.
We can make more prisons and save costs by cutting back on the perks.
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I wouldn't say they were great. I simply think that we should try to cut costs where possible provided the basic neccessities of life are accounted for. If I were to be sent to prison, lack of facilities would not be my biggest concern. I would be more frightened of things like gangrape and similar assaults. Having perks will not prevent that. As for people breaking out, again they still lose their freedoms so it would be expected that a lifer with nothing to lose would have an incentive to break out.
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
kallend 2,027
QuoteQuoteIf prisons are as great as you seem to think, why aren't people breaking IN to them?
How'd you conclude that?
Do pay attention: today is your "pick on Amazon day".
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
QuoteQuoteQuoteIf prisons are as great as you seem to think, why aren't people breaking IN to them?
How'd you conclude that?
Do pay attention: today is your "pick on Amazon day".
Nice dodge.
ExAFO 0
Some people are habitual criminals. I don't fault the Prosecutors using innovative legal means to incarcerate them. Sure as shit their defence attorneys are using similarly innovative methods.
Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.
as much as this guy is a petty jerkoff you really want to keep footing the bill for a long term trip for him ?
SO this one time at band camp.....
"Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most."
"Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most."
Richards 0
QuoteQuoteas much as this guy is a petty jerkoff you really want to keep footing the bill for a long term trip for him ?
I think of it as an insurance policy. A small portion of my paycheck is deducted in the form of taxes spent on incarcerating him which protects me from huge financial loss due to loss/destruction of property, increased prices due to theft losses, potential medical bills, lost wages due to injury which prevents employment..etc.
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
Where is your proof of this that it is in fact doing that? There are much worse people let out in a shorter period of time that are free. And a small portion how small in your mind is small when looking at the over all cost of incarceration as a whole be better spent by really targeting the people that need proper level of sentencing and breaking the cycle that is just turning people in to future repeat offenders because of the roadblocks that are put in place that for many almost guarantee failure and reoffence.
SO this one time at band camp.....
"Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most."
"Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most."
kallend 2,027
QuoteQuoteQuoteas much as this guy is a petty jerkoff you really want to keep footing the bill for a long term trip for him ?
I think of it as an insurance policy. A small portion of my paycheck is deducted in the form of taxes spent on incarcerating him which protects me from huge financial loss due to loss/destruction of property, increased prices due to theft losses, potential medical bills, lost wages due to injury which prevents employment..etc.
How do you feel about a small portion of your paycheck going to provide preventive healthcare for a child which over the long term will reduce "potential medical bills"?
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
ExAFO 0
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How do you feel about a small portion of your paycheck going to provide preventive healthcare for a child which over the long term will reduce "potential medical bills"?
Not my child, not my problem.
If you (not you personnally, Professor) can't take car of them, don't have them. Don't pick my pocket for your crotch dropping.
Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.
Richards 0
QuoteQuoteWhere is your proof of this that it is in fact doing that?
Thus far I have no proof that my homeowners insurance is saving me money. It is about probabilitiesQuoteThere are much worse people let out in a shorter period of time that are free.
And as I said before, the sulotion is to lock the real bad ones up even longer.QuoteAnd a small portion how small in your mind is small when looking at the over all cost of incarceration as a whole be better spent by really targeting the people that need proper level of sentencing and breaking the cycle that is just turning people in to future repeat offenders because of the roadblocks that are put in place that for many almost guarantee failure and reoffence.
I am all for rehabilitation for people with a couple of minor offences like theft or drugs. My problem stems from the expectation that some people can spend their entire lives being criminals and the onus is always on decent people to somehow take responsibility for helping(coddling) bad guys into changing their ways. It is this insane beleif that society (the pool from which crime victims are drawn) are the ones that are responsible for helping the criminal "get better" that has almost encouraged most bad guys to take no responsibility for their own actions. Every time one of these guys gets caught they whine about how society failed to rehabilitate them "Society made me commit this crime because they failed to rehabilitate me". They have no clue that it is thier responsibility to ensure they abide by the law. You show me a guy with a couple of minor convictions (not involving unprovoked violence, force, threats or even implied threats) and I am willing to spend money to help get this person back on track. Thugs however are just thugs. They will not change because society expects everyone else but them to take responsibility for their actions. OK life may be a bit much but this guy should not get the revolving door treatment....he should really spend some serious time wondering when the hell he is ever going to get out. Maybe then he will give serious thought to taking some responsibility for his own actions. Currently the burden of crime is born by honest citizens....of course bad guys have no incentive to change.
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteas much as this guy is a petty jerkoff you really want to keep footing the bill for a long term trip for him ?
I think of it as an insurance policy. A small portion of my paycheck is deducted in the form of taxes spent on incarcerating him which protects me from huge financial loss due to loss/destruction of property, increased prices due to theft losses, potential medical bills, lost wages due to injury which prevents employment..etc.
How do you feel about a small portion of your paycheck going to provide preventive healthcare for a child which over the long term will reduce "potential medical bills"?
Thats a whole new thread on its own
SO this one time at band camp.....
"Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most."
"Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most."
Richards 0
QuoteI think of it as an insurance policy. A small portion of my paycheck is deducted in the form of taxes spent on incarcerating him which protects me from huge financial loss due to loss/destruction of property, increased prices due to theft losses, potential medical bills, lost wages due to injury which prevents employment..etc.
How do you feel about a small portion of your paycheck going to provide preventive healthcare for a child which over the long term will reduce "potential medical bills"?
I am all for it. Just because I have strong right wing views on criminal justice does not mean I look at every issue with conservative coloured glasses. While our current health care system in Canada is not working, I attribute that to poor implementation rather than it merely being implausible. While I strongly beleive that people need to take responsibility for their own actions I do not beleive that being born into poverty should be a barrier to health or education. I support progressive charity where those who are too young too have had a say in their circumstances are not left out in the cold, and those who are genuinely trying to improve their circumstances by hard work are not stopped by insurmountable barriers.
Regarding criminals I am willing to accept that a persons life should not be destroyed because they made a couple of bad choices. My personal experience has been that some people are just bad and will never seem to respect other peoples right to not have their property stolen/detroyed and/or their body assaulted. Once a pattern seems to be established particularly if it is escalating or involves violence I tend to lose patience with some criminals.
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
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Regarding criminals I am willing to accept that a persons life should not be destroyed because they made a couple of bad choices. My personal experience has been that some people are just bad and will never seem to respect other peoples right to not have their property stolen/detroyed and/or their body assaulted. Once a pattern seems to be established particularly if it is escalating or involves violence I tend to lose patience with some criminals.
I share most of the same views people need to take accountability for their actions but I thank that goes along with the justice system. The problem is that the difficulties of after being convicted of getting a job when in cases that being a labourer requires you to be bonded with a loooooong list of other jobs that cutes these people out from trying to become productive. The Government is not stepping in legislating provisions that shield companies that give these people a chance some protection from damages. There needs to be a better balance in some of this aspect. Some one makes a mistake takes responsibility for it dose their time and then finds a huge wall is put in there way from becoming productive again.
Mostly due to companies so fearful of being sued if one of these people they did hire did something that they would rather not even bother.
I faced some of this my self I hired some one I knew to help them out and to help me out do some cabling work and to learn the trade I could not use him on several job sites due to their requirements that the company be bonded. I could not get the bonding at a reasonable cost with him as an employee where dose that leave me and my company and him?. Here is a hardworking guy that took responsibilities for his actions served his time. Have had 5 years since release without any other interaction with the justice system and he continues to pay for it. He works sporadically from day labour companies while he continues to process for a pardon so he can move forward in life.
DO THE CRIME DO THE TIME!!! That’s fine and I agree with but when dose the time really end? And when is some one really allowed to move forward for past actions? I can see really how some of these people get caught in this perpetual cycle. That’s where I have the problem.
SO this one time at band camp.....
"Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most."
"Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most."
Richards 0
QuoteThe problem is that the difficulties of after being convicted of getting a job when in cases that being a labourer requires you to be bonded with a loooooong list of other jobs that cutes these people out from trying to become productive. The Government is not stepping in legislating provisions that shield companies that give these people a chance some protection from damages. There needs to be a better balance in some of this aspect. Some one makes a mistake takes responsibility for it dose their time and then finds a huge wall is put in there way from becoming productive again.
Mostly due to companies so fearful of being sued if one of these people they did hire did something that they would rather not even bother.
DO THE CRIME DO THE TIME!!! That’s fine and I agree with but when dose the time really end? And when is some one really allowed to move forward for past actions? I can see really how some of these people get caught in this perpetual cycle. That’s where I have the problem.
I agree . I certainly beleive in throwing the book at criminals and making them serve hard time for their crimes but it seems counterproductive to tell a parolee to abide by the law while having structural barriers to his ever holding lawfull employment.
If someone has committed a bad crime I do not beleive in "rehab", as I beleive that punishment works better. I do however beleive in giving him a fighting chance at a real life once he has done his time.
I would however change the criminal record system so that people are not burdened by a record. A freind of mine was attacked in a parking lot and knocked his attacker out and breaking the guys jaw. Witneses said that my buddy genuinely tried to get away from the situation but because he had been a boxer the court expected greater retsraint. My buddy was in his forties and couldn't get a date after that because had to live with his parents as he could only work for minimum wage due to his assault record. It was sad.
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteas much as this guy is a petty jerkoff you really want to keep footing the bill for a long term trip for him ?
I think of it as an insurance policy. A small portion of my paycheck is deducted in the form of taxes spent on incarcerating him which protects me from huge financial loss due to loss/destruction of property, increased prices due to theft losses, potential medical bills, lost wages due to injury which prevents employment..etc.
How do you feel about a small portion of your paycheck going to provide preventive healthcare for a child which over the long term will reduce "potential medical bills"?
Thats a whole new thread on its own
Don't bother trying to explain it to him.
kallend 2,027
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteas much as this guy is a petty jerkoff you really want to keep footing the bill for a long term trip for him ?
I think of it as an insurance policy. A small portion of my paycheck is deducted in the form of taxes spent on incarcerating him which protects me from huge financial loss due to loss/destruction of property, increased prices due to theft losses, potential medical bills, lost wages due to injury which prevents employment..etc.
How do you feel about a small portion of your paycheck going to provide preventive healthcare for a child which over the long term will reduce "potential medical bills"?
Thats a whole new thread on its own
Don't bother trying to explain it to him.
I'lll explain the point for the benefit of the obtuse: why is it that some people (almost all on the "right") begrudge spending taxpayer money to help people, but are oh-so willing to spend it to kill or imprison people?
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Richards 0
Quotewhy is it that some people (almost all on the "right") begrudge spending taxpayer money to help people, but are oh-so willing to spend it to kill or imprison people?
Not sure if that was aimed at me or not and I have no desire to get in the middle of a fight or get into one myself, but I thought I cleared up any confusion as to my position. I am willing to spend money to help (providing it is being put to good use). I support health care, and social services that are progressive in nature (ie they direct the person to become independant). I do not want to just imprison every criminal for good. I just think there should be a limit on the number of second chances a person gets.
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
Quotewhy is it that some people (almost all on the "right") begrudge spending taxpayer money to help people, but are oh-so willing to spend it to kill or imprison people?
Are you really equating whether or not we should have government funded healthcare with whether or not we should have prisons?
kallend 2,027
QuoteQuotewhy is it that some people (almost all on the "right") begrudge spending taxpayer money to help people, but are oh-so willing to spend it to kill or imprison people?
Are you really equating whether or not we should have government funded healthcare with whether or not we should have prisons?
No, I meant exactly what I wrote. Your interpretation is incorrect.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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