Rise up and jihad

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http://www.terrorismawareness.org/know-about-jihad/

one man's terrorist is another man's freedon fighter

Is it time for all Muslims to wage jihad against the infidels?

[CanuckInUSA 0]

Not to say that there isn't a problem out there, but someone should inform the author of this video that the Air India Flight #182 blown up over Lockerbie Scotland in June of 1985 was carried out by Sikh terrorists and not Islamic terrorist (or can he not tell the difference between Sikh's from India and Islamic people from elsewhere in the world).

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[Gawain 0]

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Not to say that there isn't a problem out there, but someone should inform the author of this video that the Air India Flight #182 blown up over Lockerbie Scotland in June of 1985 was carried out by Sikh terrorists and not Islamic terrorist (or can he not tell the difference between Sikh's from India and Islamic people from elsewhere in the world).

I didn't see in that video/slide show any mention of the Air India bombing. Or am I completely blind?

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[James.UWE 0]

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Not to say that there isn't a problem out there, but someone should inform the author of this video that the Air India Flight #182 blown up over Lockerbie Scotland in June of 1985 was carried out by Sikh terrorists and not Islamic terrorist (or can he not tell the difference between Sikh's from India and Islamic people from elsewhere in the world).

Are you thinking of the Pam Am Flight 103 1988 Lockerbie bombing? This was linked to Libyan militants.


The Air India attack carried out by Sikh militants was over the pacific, south of Ireland...

[CanuckInUSA 0]

Me thinks me goofed (how's my grammar?).

carry on ...

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[ExAFO 0]

"Religion of Peace."



BULLSHIT.

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

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There may be islands in the specific but not Ireland

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"Religion of Peace."

BULLSHIT.

Yes - religion of peace. You think one powerpoint presentation made by americans to stir up ridiculous propaganda changes that?

Yes there are islamic terrorists but the US do no different

a) try to turn people against others with different beleifs
b) murder innocents for their own gain
c) wage wars of terror

Does that mean all americans are terrorists? Does it mean all Christians are child molesters?

This narrow minded view makes me sick to my stomach.

ter·ror·ism
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–noun
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government

Sounds like the US to me,...

To know requires proof
To believe requires evidence
To have faith requires neither.
If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again

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??? When did Pan Am become Air India?

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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"Religion of Peace."

BULLSHIT.

Yes - religion of peace. You think one powerpoint presentation made by americans to stir up ridiculous propaganda changes that?

While I believe this presentation is not representative of Islam in general, it does seem to apply to more than tiny splinter group of the religion.

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Yes there are islamic terrorists but the US do no different

This ranks right up their with the Bush - Hitler comparisons... talk about ridiculous propaganda.

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This narrow minded view makes me sick to my stomach.

Speaking of narrow minded, did you see that nonsense likening the US to Islamic terrorists.

[Darius11 12]

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"Religion of Peace."



BULLSHIT.

And then Jesus said invade and kill the people, who have the black gold, no matter how many inocent lives are lost, as Jesus checked his Haloberton stock he rejoiced and said in money we trust.

Oh wait that’s not what Jesus said is it?

Here is a giant mirror you peaceful knowledgeable human being you a library card is usually free. Get one and use it.



One last thing that has been mentioned here, I think this might be the 10 or 20th time.

Islam is a religion of Justice; Christianity is a religion of peace.
So basically GWB who is very religious took turn the other cheek and made it in to preemptive attacks. Bravo Jesus would be proud.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Speaking of narrow minded, did you see that nonsense likening the US to Islamic terrorists.

Explain how they are different please. Maybe i'm missing something...

To know requires proof
To believe requires evidence
To have faith requires neither.
If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again

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"Religion of Peace."



BULLSHIT.

And then Jesus said invade and kill the people, who have the black gold, no matter how many inocent lives are lost, as Jesus checked his Haloberton stock he rejoiced and said in money we trust.

Oh wait that’s not what Jesus said is it?

Here is a giant mirror you peaceful knowledgeable human being you a library card is usually free. Get one and use it.



One last thing that has been mentioned here, I think this might be the 10 or 20th time.

Islam is a religion of Justice; Christianity is a religion of peace.
So basically GWB who is very religious took turn the other cheek and made it in to preemptive attacks. Bravo Jesus would be proud.

So Islam is a religion of justice. Only problem there is that the justice you mention is based on archaic laws that allow the fringe to shout "Kill the infidel non-believers" The mainstream community of Islam does nothing to stop this. That silence speaks volumes.

Bush did the world a favor when he got rid of Saddam Hussein. That psychopath killed and tortured thousands of innocent people. Now we have a mess on our hands. I saw bring the troops home and let Iraq govern themselves. Fat chance that will happen. If the troops left Iraq would turn into the killing fields.

The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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??? When did Pan Am become Air India?

I goofed ... go back a few posts to see when I publically admited I MADE A MISTAKE. If that is not good enough for you, then just burn me on your cross. See if I care.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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Islam is a religion of Justice;

Honestly, I know very few cultures where the normal populace (decent people otherwise) can differentiate true justice from personal revenge. And that includes Islamlic cultures I've been exposed to. And in those specific cases, that disconnect has been more prevalent in attitudes and positions than the other cultures (where is was more hidden, but still present).

But I'd also say that I haven't had nearly enough exposure to draw more than a cursory opinion on it. Perhaps it's more of a case that in my travels I hang out with awkward self righteous assholes like myself more than the average guy.

IMO

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Muslims around the world advocate the direct imposition of Sharia law (and all its hand-chopping, scimitar-to-the neck, rock-throwing yummyness) in the stead of secular civil law. I have yet to see any country impose that kind of draconian philosophy in a Judeo-Christian/Eastern Religion area.

Draw your own opinions.

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

[Darius11 12]

I think we are dealing with trwo different worlds. I can honestly say I am not sure of which way is right or wrong, and even if there is one way that is better. My personal experince is that in the United States (that is mostly Christians) the average person is thought to turn the other cheek , walk away and forgive. In Iran we are thought not to become victims or victimize. If someone slaps your cheek make sure you slap his back hard enough that he does not think of doing it ever again.

To me the later of the two is justice turning the other cheek and getting slapped all the time and just being peaceful is unacceptable.



I think revenge is sought after in all countries and all religions.
Our actions after 9-11 were hardly turning the other cheek. The problem is we are ok with the shit that we pull but when others do the same thing even on a much lesser scale we think they are evil.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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If someone slaps your cheek make sure you slap his back hard enough that he does not think of doing it ever again.

Yup - that's not justice, that's revenge. Almost by definition. That's really screwed up - and it's not just Muslims that feel this way, it's pervasive in most all cultures. It results in vendetta and mob retaliation, severe escalation of conflict when both sides get into who started it first, etc. I doubt this is a philosophy espoused by Islam, rather your interpretation.

Justice would be getting the authorities to punish the slapper under a set of laws that is applied to all slappers. ie, society addresses the wrongs in a dispassionate and fair way, not the individuals


Your example is instant and personal gratification that has nothing to do with justice. My example takes self control and willingness to act, as well as directly giving up that self gratification for the good of all.

"willingness to act" also means - turning the cheek and walking away is completely wrong. This results in people being encouraged to slap someone else when the first victim could have stopped it.


I'm not talking religious philosophy now, I'm talking about social philosophy

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]So Islam is a religion of justice. Only problem there is that the justice you mention is based on archaic laws that allow the fringe to shout "Kill the infidel non-believers" The mainstream community of Islam does nothing to stop this. That silence speaks volumes.

Well if you look at Christianity, or Judaism they say the same thing, and unlike Islam which excepts Christianity, and Judaism the other religions Christianity, and the followers if the Jewish fait believe only they are the ones going to heaven and all other will burn in hell.

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Bush did the world a favor when he got rid of Saddam Hussein. That psychopath killed and tortured thousands of innocent people. .

I don’t think anyone is disagreeing that Sadam was a bad guy, but what you seem to be forgetting is we supported him even after he used WMD on civilians during the Iran and Iraq war. The question here is not weather Sadam was a bad guy or a good guy but what is our intent? If we really want to rid the world of bad people and want to spread liberty and freedom to the world then how come all these guys Sadam, OBL, and this list can go on and on were people who we supported?

We do what is right for us with zero regard for anyone but our interest, and many times it is not even the interest of the average citizens but the top 10%.


That’s why I keep on using the word hypocrisy, as our rules and so-called Moral standards change and slant to what is convenient.


I also don’t think we should make the call on how many inocent Iraqis should die because we believe they should have a democracy. The standard of life has been going down ever since we decided Sadam had WMD, and even nuclear capabilities that were an imminent threat

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Now we have a mess on our hands. I saw bring the troops home and let Iraq govern themselves. Fat chance that will happen. If the troops left Iraq would turn into the killing fields

Well if we leave now it will not only be a blood bath but also yet another dishonorable moves on our part. We caused this mess I know it has become convenient to blame the Iraqi government, or even the Iraqi people for it but if it were not for us Iraq would not be in the condition it is now.

This was a war that was wrong to start period. I agree that just getting up and living is not the solution or the honorable thing to do.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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I'm not talking religious philosophy now, I'm talking about social philosophy

I agree with you if we are discussing Social philosophy.


However that is one example, in many times in the Islamic country the Justice or eye for an eye is not the victims revenge but the rule of law. It is called “Ghesos” which means equal punishment/restitution for the crime or injustice committed.


Like if you commit murder 1st degree you get killed.
If you killed someone by mistake let’s say in an automobile accident then you are fined and the money is given to the next of kin.

So if you get slapped you might not be the one who slaps the guy back the government might. I used the slapping example as I have heard the turn the other cheek saying a lot in reference to Christianity.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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So if you get slapped you might not be the one who slaps the guy back the government might. I used the slapping example as I have heard the turn the other cheek saying a lot in reference to Christianity.

In that case, then you do practice turning the other cheek - as most christians see it. Turning the cheek is about how an individual responds to a wrong. Society still has the role in dispensing justice.

everyone is much more alike that most realize

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In that case, then you do practice turning the other cheek - as most christians see it. Turning the cheek is about how an individual responds to a wrong. Society still has the role in dispensing justice.

everyone is much more alike then most realize

Agreed.

How would we get justice on an international level?
Maybe if there was a way to handle international issues the way we handle national issues we would not have so much hate in the world. As most would feel satisfied that there was equal justice.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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How would we get justice on an international level?

It involves a rather complex union of the US Coast Guard, the Guiness Brewery staff, 7 exotic dancers, 2 midgets, 4 watermelons, and 27 jelly donuts.

I'll send the details later. Best to not get into the details right after you've eaten too.

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In that case, then you do practice turning the other cheek - as most christians see it. Turning the cheek is about how an individual responds to a wrong. Society still has the role in dispensing justice.

everyone is much more alike then most realize

Agreed.

How would we get justice on an international level?
Maybe if there was a way to handle international issues the way we handle national issues we would not have so much hate in the world. As most would feel satisfied that there was equal justice.

How do we bring international peace?

Here's my idea: Beer Gardens.

Have you ever been to a beer garden? Everyone is so happy & jolly in a beer garden. I don't believe anyone who attends a beer garden would ever be the sort of person who'd strap a bomb to his chest to blow people up.

something to think about.

Speed Racer
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[AWL71 0]

Your recipe was perfect until you threw in the 27 jelly donuts. Anytime you add jelly donuts to the mix you are going to have trouble. Damn jelly donuts...always causing trouble, global warming, gay politicians in restrooms...etc.

The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.