ExAFO 0 #1 October 10, 2007 Why should I be forced to pay for the care and feeding of someone else's fuck-trophy any more than the govt forces me to already??Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Armour666 0 #2 October 10, 2007 Ok how do you feel about immigration? It’s not as simple about paying for some ones fuck trophy as you put it. You need to have an increasing population beyond the rate of deaths Now with increased health cost and affordability (even by most middle class) you have a few choices you support children born in the US to become future tax payers (so it's like investing takes money to make money) or you relay more heavily on immigration of people with the skills and abilities to advance and earn higher taxable wages. The current immigration system is not set that well for the latter. As most with sponsorship are almost held hostages but the company sponsoring them with no room for advancement or ability for them to leave the job for another. So many immigration as a whole is a smaller tax revenue basis. You either take care of your own (as a Nation) or you begin to suffer the disparity in the birth/death rate. Higher death rate means less people to support the system of the ageing and that by far is more costly the supporting health incentives for children. Healthcare for Children is the step to start combating this. With out adequate means of ensuring a healthy future population you are then at a start of a downward spiral in further increasing the span between poverty and what will in the future be consider wealthy.SO this one time at band camp..... "Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #3 October 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteWhy should I be forced to pay for the care and feeding of someone else's fuck-trophy any more than the govt forces me to already?? I guess because the kid did not have a say in wether or not he/she was born. Failing to provide coverage for the kid will not force the kids deadbeat parents to stop being fuckups. It will just increase the probability that the kid will be a bigger drain on society down the road. I am not a bleeding heart by any stretch, but social services are not all bad. Some may argue that our taxes shouldn't pay for poor kids to go to school and that they should work in factories at 5 years old. I think a certain balance or middle ground can be acheived on the left/right spectrum when it comes to safety nets. I resent having to take care of lazy turds who lay back expecting me to take care of them but I do not mind paying a little so a kid born in poverty is not stunted from the start. I am also willing to pay a little for someone who has fucked up but is busting their ass to become a contributing member of society. Partly because I feel that society will benefit from this in the long run and partly because it seems like a decent thing to do. This should not be misconstrued as socialism. There have to be significant benefits for being rich rather than poor or nobody would make the effort. Doctors and lawyers should make a fucking hell of a lot more than waiters or unskillled labourers, but the children of labourers should be able to go to school and have a reasonable chance of growing to adulthood even if their parents cannot pay for healthcare. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,997 #4 October 10, 2007 >Why should I be forced to pay for the care and feeding of someone else's fuck-trophy . . . Not everyone looks at a child and thinks "fuck trophy." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #5 October 10, 2007 Quote>Why should I be forced to pay for the care and feeding of someone else's fuck-trophy . . . Not everyone looks at a child and thinks "fuck trophy." Would you prefer "Crotch Dropping"?Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,997 #6 October 10, 2007 >Would you prefer "Crotch Dropping"? I guess I have the answer as to why you don't understand why we as a society would care for a child. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #7 October 10, 2007 QuoteHigher death rate means less people to support the system of the ageing and that by far is more costly the supporting health incentives for children. So, the problem is socialism. QuoteHealthcare for Children is the step to start combating this. With out adequate means of ensuring a healthy future population you are then at a start of a downward spiral in further increasing the span between poverty and what will in the future be consider wealthy. And we should fight a problem of socialism with more socialism? Why should I take care of anyone else? Why should anyone out there take care of my kids? My kids are MY kids, not the children of a "village." My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #8 October 10, 2007 QuoteWhy should I be forced to pay for the care and feeding of someone else's fuck-trophy any more than the govt forces me to already?? Same reason I am forced to pay for some wannabe war-president to have his war, and for bridges to nowhere. On the whole I'd prefer to pay for a child's healthcare.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #9 October 10, 2007 Quote And we should fight a problem of socialism with more socialism? And what is the problem with socialism? it seems that to many people here helping out unlucky childs would not be a bad thing if it wasn´t called socialism. Leave aside the national pride that everything american is the best and get the better of any system you find. Socialism has a few good things, even comunism has things to offer. Just for the record, i have top notch insurance that will cover virtually everything for me and my family, (bloody expensive as well), however we still usually go the public system because it has things that insurance does not offer. Like treatments not based on economical expenses. They are not interested in profit. good when it is my health what it is at stake. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sv3n 0 #10 October 10, 2007 Quote Why should I be forced to pay for the care and feeding of someone else's fuck-trophy any more than the govt forces me to already?? It's a government's role to protect it's population....without a population there is no need for the government. Having a sick population will do you no good.........you will pay more in treating sicknesses than preventing them in the long run. The bigger the poplulation the more taxes you have coming in. Also, a governments role is to take care of the poplulation not individuals. And as being part of a society you need to realize that everything does not revolve just around you. You're part of the whole, you're not the reason the whole exists. The government should use everybody's taxes for the good of the whole......realistically that doesn't always happen, but you can speak to management about that. PS - if you want to argue that illegal immigrants don't pay taxes because they work illegally........that's fine. But there's a simple solution to that. Get rid of income tax and make it a flat sales tax. That way whenever anybody purchases something they're paying their taxes. Yeah, no more taxes to file....and you're in violation of your face! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #11 October 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteWhy should I be forced to pay for the care and feeding of someone else's fuck-trophy any more than the govt forces me to already?? Same reason I am forced to pay for some wannabe war-president to have his war, and for bridges to nowhere. On the whole I'd prefer to pay for a child's healthcare. Oooo, justifying future bad expenditures by comparing them to past ones. They teach you this kind of logic at PhD school? Kudos to the OP! You got mad communicashun skilz. Way to promote an open, honest dialogue. Your mom would be proud. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #12 October 10, 2007 Quote PS - if you want to argue that illegal immigrants don't pay taxes because they work illegally........that's fine. But there's a simple solution to that. Get rid of income tax and make it a flat sales tax. That way whenever anybody purchases something they're paying their taxes. Yeah, no more taxes to file. THat won't stop the losses, because they send a great deal of the money they earn illegally back home so it is not spent here thus creating more jobs nor is it taxed on sales. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #13 October 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhy should I be forced to pay for the care and feeding of someone else's fuck-trophy any more than the govt forces me to already?? Same reason I am forced to pay for some wannabe war-president to have his war, and for bridges to nowhere. On the whole I'd prefer to pay for a child's healthcare. Oooo, justifying future bad expenditures by comparing them to past ones. They teach you this kind of logic at PhD school? . How did you read any justification into my post? Do they teach this level of reading comprehension in NC?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #14 October 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhy should I be forced to pay for the care and feeding of someone else's fuck-trophy any more than the govt forces me to already?? Same reason I am forced to pay for some wannabe war-president to have his war, and for bridges to nowhere. On the whole I'd prefer to pay for a child's healthcare. Oooo, justifying future bad expenditures by comparing them to past ones. They teach you this kind of logic at PhD school? How did you read any justification into my post? Do they teach this level of reading comprehension in NC? I could explain it to you, but I doubt it would matter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #15 October 10, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Why should I be forced to pay for the care and feeding of someone else's fuck-trophy any more than the govt forces me to already?? Same reason I am forced to pay for some wannabe war-president to have his war, and for bridges to nowhere. On the whole I'd prefer to pay for a child's healthcare. Oooo, justifying future bad expenditures by comparing them to past ones. They teach you this kind of logic at PhD school? How did you read any justification into my post? Do they teach this level of reading comprehension in NC? I could explain it to you, but I'm guessing it would be a wasted effort. You are right, any explanation of your incorrect assumption would be incorrect.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #16 October 10, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Why should I be forced to pay for the care and feeding of someone else's fuck-trophy any more than the govt forces me to already?? Same reason I am forced to pay for some wannabe war-president to have his war, and for bridges to nowhere. On the whole I'd prefer to pay for a child's healthcare. Oooo, justifying future bad expenditures by comparing them to past ones. They teach you this kind of logic at PhD school? How did you read any justification into my post? Do they teach this level of reading comprehension in NC? I could explain it to you, but I'm guessing it would be a wasted effort. You are right, any explanation of your incorrect assumption would be incorrect. I know you are, but what am I? Neener, neener, neener...I'm rubber, you're... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #17 October 10, 2007 QuoteQuote And we should fight a problem of socialism with more socialism? And what is the problem with socialism? it seems that to many people here helping out unlucky childs would not be a bad thing if it wasn´t called socialism. Leave aside the national pride that everything american is the best and get the better of any system you find. Socialism has a few good things, even comunism has things to offer. Just for the record, i have top notch insurance that will cover virtually everything for me and my family, (bloody expensive as well), however we still usually go the public system because it has things that insurance does not offer. Like treatments not based on economical expenses. They are not interested in profit. good when it is my health what it is at stake. A mindset like this is why I am glad I don't live in Europe, where 2/3 of my money disappears down the void of a poorly run, nepotism-ridden government bureaucracy in the name of subsidizing the stupid, lazy, and poor. Once I am an attorney I will be doing my best to ensure that every last (legal) step will be taken to shield my income from Socialists' run-amok redistribution programs. I'll say it one more time--someone else's diaper-shitting crotch dropping is not my problem or responsibility. Fuck those who would make me pay for someone else's child. You breed 'em, you feed 'em.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #18 October 10, 2007 Quote Once I am an attorney... You definitely made the right career choice.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #19 October 10, 2007 Quote Quote Higher death rate means less people to support the system of the ageing and that by far is more costly the supporting health incentives for children. So, the problem is socialism. Quote Healthcare for Children is the step to start combating this. With out adequate means of ensuring a healthy future population you are then at a start of a downward spiral in further increasing the span between poverty and what will in the future be consider wealthy. And we should fight a problem of socialism with more socialism? Why should I take care of anyone else? Why should anyone out there take care of my kids? My kids are MY kids, not the children of a "village." We shuold probably get away from free public schools. They are very much representative of socialism. How about free public raods? We should have tollways on all roads. Maybe we should charge for air too...for those who can afford to breathe,7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #20 October 10, 2007 QuoteOnce I am an attorney I will be doing my best to ensure that every last (legal) step will be taken to shield my income from Socialists' run-amok redistribution programs. I'll say it one more time--someone else's diaper-shitting crotch dropping is not my problem or responsibility. Fuck those who would make me pay for someone else's child. You breed 'em, you feed 'em. What services/protections/benefits do you think the government should provide? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #21 October 10, 2007 Quote We shuold probably get away from free public schools. They are very much representative of socialism. How about free public raods? We should have tollways on all roads. Maybe we should charge for air too...for those who can afford to breathe, I'm not sure how you got to the government owning the air.... but the sarcasm is nicely noted. get away from public schools and go to a tax credit situation - good idea (at least as a choice) find a way to charge by use for roads - great idea, hard to implement ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Armour666 0 #22 October 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteHigher death rate means less people to support the system of the ageing and that by far is more costly the supporting health incentives for children. So, the problem is socialism. QuoteHealthcare for Children is the step to start combating this. With out adequate means of ensuring a healthy future population you are then at a start of a downward spiral in further increasing the span between poverty and what will in the future be consider wealthy. And we should fight a problem of socialism with more socialism? Why should I take care of anyone else? Why should anyone out there take care of my kids? My kids are MY kids, not the children of a "village." socialism Definition Economic system which is based on cooperation rather than competition and which utilizes centralized planning and distribution. Yes health care for xhildren would be that. What is so wrong or scary about it ? Allowing some one to be in a better advantage latter in life to become self sufficient and more productive. “further increasing the span between poverty and what will in the future be consider wealthy.” I never stated that we should change policies or fund these people latter in life and intervene in that way so no Socialism is not being used for more Socialism. It is being used to support a portion of the population that has no say in their life until a certain age if they have poor upbringing why should they be penalized for something they have no control over that potently in the future would have more economic impact than helping to prevent it in the first place. I think you are wrong to a large degree as we further and further get away from the though we are becoming more self centered and continue to fail as a society Why should anyone out there take care of my kids? My kids are MY kids, not the children of a "village." Because in the future the children will be supporting the village! Like it or not that what taxes do it use the small individual take from people to ammas funds to complete things that benefit everyone. If you don’t agree move to a remote area use no electricity hunt and trap and live completely isolate because if you don’t other wise you are a hypocrite because the infrastructure of the nation is a village effort. I feel strongly about it takes a village to raise a child as it raises some one that is accountable not only to them selves but to the community and people around them. Too many have lost sight of this.SO this one time at band camp..... "Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #23 October 10, 2007 Quotefind a way to charge by use for roads - great idea, hard to implement We already do that through gasoline taxes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Armour666 0 #24 October 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote And we should fight a problem of socialism with more socialism? And what is the problem with socialism? it seems that to many people here helping out unlucky childs would not be a bad thing if it wasn´t called socialism. Leave aside the national pride that everything american is the best and get the better of any system you find. Socialism has a few good things, even comunism has things to offer. Just for the record, i have top notch insurance that will cover virtually everything for me and my family, (bloody expensive as well), however we still usually go the public system because it has things that insurance does not offer. Like treatments not based on economical expenses. They are not interested in profit. good when it is my health what it is at stake. A mindset like this is why I am glad I don't live in Europe, where 2/3 of my money disappears down the void of a poorly run, nepotism-ridden government bureaucracy in the name of subsidizing the stupid, lazy, and poor. Once I am an attorney I will be doing my best to ensure that every last (legal) step will be taken to shield my income from Socialists' run-amok redistribution programs. I'll say it one more time--someone else's diaper-shitting crotch dropping is not my problem or responsibility. Fuck those who would make me pay for someone else's child. You breed 'em, you feed 'em. Lets abolish the school system too if you bread them you feed and read to them too. Let’s just have every one stand a 100% self sufficient for rising a family and to hell with these dam boomer and the aging population screw them all because I want to make more money !!! But if the economy takes due to decline in population and ability to be a sustainable health work force where do you expect to make a living? Seams many people haven’t learned from the past or example from other countries that have fallen in to a declining population to a point where it can no longer support it self and implodes. Then you should offer to pay the government back the amount they pay to universities as they are subdivide so your using that evil run amuck socialism system. Pay what a foreign student pays for their education that should even things out so you don’t come across as a hypocrite http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_declineSO this one time at band camp..... "Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #25 October 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteOnce I am an attorney I will be doing my best to ensure that every last (legal) step will be taken to shield my income from Socialists' run-amok redistribution programs. I'll say it one more time--someone else's diaper-shitting crotch dropping is not my problem or responsibility. Fuck those who would make me pay for someone else's child. You breed 'em, you feed 'em. What services/protections/benefits do you think the government should provide? Police/Corrections Defense Enforcement of Contracts Education to 12th grade ..END OF LIST.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
