I change my mind....Carter is not a jackass

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I have always disagreed with Carter's view on the Israel/Palestenian relations. However, I think he makes some good points in this article:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/10/carter.torture/index.html

"Our country for the first time in my life time has abandoned the basic principle of human rights"

"Carter also said President Bush creates his own definition of human rights."

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there were also 10 questions of Carter in the latest Time magazine - probably came from the same interview. I always liked hearing what he had to say. Very good guy, intelligent.

Definitely not hard-core-radical right-wing enough to be President of this place.... He has far too much common sense.

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http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1666258,00.html
just found the link....

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It is real easy to be a Monday morning Quarterback...I respect his efforts to further Human Rights but listening to him critique presidential candidates is humorous. He was one of the worst presidents we ever had.

The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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Excuse a no nothing foreigner ....... What did he do that was so bad?

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I've long believed that Carter was the most decent, well-meaning human being to serve as POTUS in my lifetime. The biggest problem with the Carter administration was that he came into Washington as an outsider, (having never served there), not understanding how it worked. Then when it came to appointing the people around him, he picked people he knew from back in Georgia, who were also unfamiliar to Washington, thereby compounding the problem.

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http://www.millercenter.org/...ac8550561522cee7ccbd


Carter’s newcomer status soon showed itself in his inability to make deals with Congress. Sensing his shallow public support, Congress shot down key portions of his consumer protection bill. Carter was determined to free the nation from dependency on foreign oil by encouraging alternate energy sources and deregulating domestic oil pricing. But the creation of a pricing cartel by OPEC, the oil producing countries organization, sent oil prices soaring, caused rampant inflation, and a serious recession. Carter was also deeply troubled by public scandals involving his family, including a mysterious $250,000 payment by the government of Libya to Carter’s brother Billy.

Foreign affairs during the Carter administration were equally troublesome. Critics thrashed both Carter’s plans to relinquish control of the Panama Canal and his response to Soviet aggression in Afghanistan by pulling out of the Olympics and ending the sale of wheat to the Russians. His recognition of communist China, which expanded on Nixon’s China policy, and his negotiation of new arms control agreements with the Soviets, were both criticized by conservatives in the Republican Party. But the most serious crisis of Carter’s presidency involved Iran. When the Ayatollah Khomeini seized power there, the U.S. offered sanctuary to the ailing Shah, angering the new Iranian government, which then encouraged student militants to storm the American embassy and take over fifty Americans hostage. Carter’s ineffectual handling of the much-televised hostage crisis, and the disastrous failed attempt to rescue them in 1980, doomed his presidency, even though he negotiated their release shortly before leaving office.

Carter is positively remembered, however, for the historic 1978 Camp David Accords, where he mediated a historic peace agreement between Israel’s Menachem Begin and Egypt’s Anwar Sadat. This vital summit revived a long-dormant practice of presidential peacemaking, something every succeeding chief executive has emulated to varying degrees. Nevertheless, because of perceived weaknesses as a domestic and foreign policy leader, and because of the poor performance of the economy, Carter was easily defeated by Republican Ronald Reagan in 1980.

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Carter’s newcomer status soon showed itself in his inability to make deals with Congress. Sensing his shallow public support, Congress shot down key portions of his consumer protection bill. .

You have to remember that he was the first elected President after Watergate, and Congress was in no mood at all to cut any slack to the executive branch. I strongly suspect that any president elected in 1976 would have had just as difficult a time as JEC.

Carter's use of Georgians in the White House is hardly any different from Kennedy's Bostonians, Reagan's Californians or GWB's Texans.

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Here's something to consider. He's largely repsonsible for the radicals of this world thinking that we are a bunch of pussies, especially if the Dems are in charge.
I saw him make the statement the other day that we got all of the hostages back safely, so he did the right thing.

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Here's something to consider. He's largely repsonsible for the radicals of this world thinking that we are a bunch of pussies, especially if the Dems are in charge. I saw him make the statement the other day that we got all of the hostages back safely, so he did the right thing.

Yeah.. I think it would have been far better to just nuke Teheran to make them let the hostages go..that would have showed those muslim extremeists/students that we mean business.

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Excuse a no nothing foreigner ....... What did he do that was so bad?

He came in at a bad time (recession, oil stagflation, post Vietnam, Iran, etc) and didn't handle it well, didn't look good not handling it well. A lot of people would have stumbled about due to the oil issue, but he didn't inspire hope the way that Reagan managed to.

Very smart guy, but didn't seem like a very good executive leader. He was the last guy to hold the line on the budget until Clinton had the brief surplus. The GOP learned that spending like crazy for short term relief resonates with voters, even if it cranks up the deficit.

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Excuse a no nothing foreigner ....... What did he do that was so bad?

Wow. Where to start.

It's what he didn't do. He did not stand up to Iran, before or after the revolution (to which some could blame his policy has being the final spark to the Islamic Revolution). He cut defense spending in the face of the USSR in the spirit of "detente". A policy which failed. By the time he realized it, he increased defense spending by a marginal amount in what would be his final year. He cut the B1 (a superb platform). Double-digit interest rates, recession, cut ties with Taiwan to normalize with China, Panama Canal...

One thing he did, which has yet to be repeated to any significant degree in the middle east: he negotiated the "Camp David Accords", producing peace between Egypt and Israel. Anwar Sadat was assassinated shortly thereafter, but it the accord has held since. I'll give him props for that.

It's been widely regarded that he has accomplished more after being president than he did while in office.

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I have always disagreed with Carter's view on the Israel/Palestenian relations. However, I think he makes some good points in this article:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/10/carter.torture/index.html

"Our country for the first time in my life time has abandoned the basic principle of human rights"

"Carter also said President Bush creates his own definition of human rights."

Yeah, as he gets older he pulls his punches less and less.. If only we had a democrat with sharp teeth, he would have my vote. Anybody that speaks truth to power without fear has my respect. He may be a feeble old peacenick, but I think he is a cool old bastard.

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Carter’s newcomer status soon showed itself in his inability to make deals with Congress. Sensing his shallow public support, Congress shot down key portions of his consumer protection bill. .

You have to remember that he was the first elected President after Watergate, and Congress was in no mood at all to cut any slack to the executive branch. I strongly suspect that any president elected in 1976 would have had just as difficult a time as JEC.

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I bet you actually believe that was the cause of his inability to imploement his policies.

Of maybe it was because he was ineffective as CIC.

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Carter’s newcomer status soon showed itself in his inability to make deals with Congress. Sensing his shallow public support, Congress shot down key portions of his consumer protection bill. .

You have to remember that he was the first elected President after Watergate, and Congress was in no mood at all to cut any slack to the executive branch. I strongly suspect that any president elected in 1976 would have had just as difficult a time as JEC.

LOL

I bet you actually believe that was the cause of his inability to imploement his policies.

Of maybe it was because he was ineffective as CIC.

You assume altogether too much about what I believe.

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Regardless of what you think of his Presidency, he's a good, honest, hard working, human rights advocate. He's done more to help the poor and to promote world peace than probably any other human on the planet.

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I strongly suspect that any president elected in 1976 would have had just as difficult a time as JEC.

LOL

I bet you actually believe that was the cause of his inability to implement his policies.

Of maybe it was because he was ineffective as CIC.

You assume altogether too much about what I believe.

So true. Your posts on this forum are always so unpredictable and varied. It's just so hard to get a read on you. I could never anticipate what your take might be on a given subject. This last bit, with the "you assume"... pure comedic genius.

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You assume altogether too much about what I believe.

So true. Your posts on this forum are always so unpredictable and varied. It's just so hard to get a read on you. I could never anticipate what your take might be on a given subject.

Get a room.

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I respect his efforts to further Human Rights but listening to him critique presidential candidates is humorous. He was one of the worst presidents we ever had.

That statement would make it hypocritical for you to indulge in candidate critique yourself, wouldn't it? Unless you happen to be an anonymous ex-president posting here...

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I respect his efforts to further Human Rights but listening to him critique presidential candidates is humorous. He was one of the worst presidents we ever had.

That statement would make it hypocritical for you to indulge in candidate critique yourself, wouldn't it? Unless you happen to be an anonymous ex-president posting here...

No it wouldn't. What the hell are you talking about? I did not realize one had to be an expert to pontificate about anything on a internet forum. Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one and I stated mine.

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I respect his efforts to further Human Rights but listening to him critique presidential candidates is humorous. He was one of the worst presidents we ever had.

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That statement would make it hypocritical for you to indulge in candidate critique yourself, wouldn't it? Unless you happen to be an anonymous ex-president posting here...

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No it wouldn't. What the hell are you talking about? I did not realize one had to be an expert to pontificate about anything on a internet forum. Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one and I stated mine.

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I respect his efforts to further Human Rights but listening to him critique presidential candidates is humorous. He was one of the worst presidents we ever had.

That statement would make it hypocritical for you to indulge in candidate critique yourself, wouldn't it? Unless you happen to be an anonymous ex-president posting here...

I think you're missing the point about ex-Presidents criticising sitting Presidents.

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I think you're missing the point about ex-Presidents criticising sitting Presidents.

You think wrong then. I got his point.

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