Gun laws and school massacres - a price that just has to be paid?

[ryoder 1,590]

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Do the gun lovers think that school massacres are just an unfortunate price that has to be paid so that they can keep their guns?

It's one of the consequences that may be eliminated by armed teachers, principals, or others who would provide the shooter with a thought against it.

Do police stations get shot up? How about gun shows? Target ranges? Nope.

Let's say you want to kill a lot of people with a minimum of problems. You look for a place where people are unprotected because firearms aren't allowed anywhere near them and a nice concentration of easy pickings.

Oh, schools! Yes. Guns aren't allowed on schools. They won't have any protection. Let's shoot them up!

The only protection being offered to these kids is taking their protections away. What a shame.

Note to self: Write in "LawRocket" when voting in the presidential primary next year.

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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It's one of the consequences that may be eliminated by armed teachers, principals, or others who would provide the shooter with a thought against it.

Do police stations get shot up? How about gun shows? Target ranges? Nope.

Let's say you want to kill a lot of people with a minimum of problems. You look for a place where people are unprotected because firearms aren't allowed anywhere near them and a nice concentration of easy pickings.

Oh, schools! Yes. Guns aren't allowed on schools. They won't have any protection. Let's shoot them up!

The only protection being offered to these kids is taking their protections away. What a shame.

This argument flies in the face of an argument mentioned earlier, that if guns weren't available other objects would be used. An example given was bombs.

If a kid knew that there were lots of guns around, he could just use a bomb and blow up a fair chunk of the school.

I don't believe in that theory though, in eitehr scenario. I think people will use what is readily available, specially when they "snap". As such, I do think that a higher incidence of school shootings is a price the US has to pay for the right to bear arms.

[Royd 0]

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the mentally distressed goth kid.

Isn't that a redundancy?

[kelpdiver 2]

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Wow you have an almighty narrow view to go along with your name.

Yeah and a anonymous chickenshit. Fuck off.

oh.... nice personal attack

You can't be attacked because you're a sockpuppet for some cowardly regular of this site. For that reason, you should be deleted.

The only alternate explanation for your recent history and single track mind for postings is that you're a loser yellowbelly who found a skydiving discussion area to talk about guns, which is just pathetic.

Suggestion to all - don't respond until he develops a name, or finds his real account again.

[akarunway 1]

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As for the Armed Militia, I always considered the right to bear Arms as much of a protection from our own government as from other Invaders. Nothing quite keeps a Government in line as the knowledge that the Governed are well armed.

So why aren't the armed citizens up in arms about the way the current administration is trampling all over the Bill of Rights?

I am for one. It's a tough row to hoe tho

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I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
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So why aren't the armed citizens up in arms about the way the current administration is trampling all over the Bill of Rights?

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That's a good point! It may be that the current administration will be changing soon....hopefully for the better. There's millions of people looking forward to that. No need for a violent revolution, yet.

[akarunway 1]

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Do the gun lovers think that school massacres are just an unfortunate price that has to be paid so that they can keep their guns?

It's one of the consequences that may be eliminated by armed teachers, principals, or others who would provide the shooter with a thought against it.

Do police stations get shot up? How about gun shows? Target ranges? Nope.

Let's say you want to kill a lot of people with a minimum of problems. You look for a place where people are unprotected because firearms aren't allowed anywhere near them and a nice concentration of easy pickings.

Oh, schools! Yes. Guns aren't allowed on schools. They won't have any protection. Let's shoot them up!

The only protection being offered to these kids is taking their protections away. What a shame.

Note to self: Write in "LawRocket" when voting in the presidential primary next year.

I'll second that motion.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[dannydan 5]

WELL... I don't see where any of my input on this topic is needed! Looks like most if not all has been logically covered! However I will add this, if we become a nation where my right to defend myself (esp from a gvt that goes rogue against its people like in Sudan) with a GUN, then I am going underground and sharpen up my snipeing skills... OUR American gvt is already to big because WE have let them get that way, its only a matter of time now.... "Keep yr powder dry" : DD

[sv3n 0]

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The first person shot, 14-year-old Michael Peek, had punched Coon in the face right before the shootings began...

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/...s/school_shooting_70

Doesn't this back up my earlier post? This could have been settled with fists instead of guns. The kid needed a way to respond to getting punched in the face, which is understandable. He just took the wrong path.

I have very little remorse for school bullies who get shot nowadays. It seems they should have figured out that this is a possible consequence considering all of these incidents, and often the target of their bullying gives them a warning like "I am going to shoot you in the head." Is it an appropriate respnse to bullying? Of course not. But you might want to think twice before you punch the mentally distressed goth kid.

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<<....... than invade the US where across the vastness of your country lays a heavily armed population.>>

I'm not so convinced about that. An armed population is not a militia. There is currently no organisation and that could not be arranged in any kind of hurry, if the shite was to hit the fan.

Countless armed folks running around like head-kess chickens could actually cause yoy more problems not less.

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[mnealtx 0]

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I'm not so convinced about that. An armed population is not a militia. There is currently no organisation and that could not be arranged in any kind of hurry, if the shite was to hit the fan.

I dunno - we did well enough at Lexington and Concord.

Also note the shopkeepers defending their stores during the Rodney King riots - hardly running around in a panic.

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Countless armed folks running around like head-kess chickens could actually cause yoy more problems not less.

Bullshit - as of 2004 (the only numbers I could find on a quick Google search) there's approximately 3 million concealed carry permit holders. Add an unknown percentage of the 1.3 million people in Alaska and Vermont (no permit needed). Even a vanishingly small percentage of those people "running around like head-less chickens" would be all over the news.

Mike
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>... Bullshit? I'm not sure that's warranted - I'm hurt. It may not represent the complete, authoritive picture but callint it BS is little harsh Mike.

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[nanook 1]

I can't disagree with the general topic, but having someone armed within a building full of kids with training less than CQB is too much of a scary thought for me.

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I can't disagree with the general topic, but having someone armed within a building full of kids with training less than CQB is too much of a scary thought for me.

the whole population should all be carrying guns

kids, grannies, retards....everybody !!!!

why deny anybody the right to defend themselves against an attacker... it's our right etc blah blah blah

[nanook 1]

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I can't disagree with the general topic, but having someone armed within a building full of kids with training less than CQB is too much of a scary thought for me.

the whole population should all be carrying guns

kids, grannies, retards....everybody !!!!

why deny anybody the right to defend themselves against an attacker... it's our right etc blah blah blah

You forgot social retards.

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[craddock 0]

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So why aren't the armed citizens up in arms about the way the current administration is trampling all over the Bill of Rights?

Why do you think they are not. From a few posters on DZ.com? You should spend some time in the political section of some gun forums before making a comment like that.

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

[SpeedRacer 1]

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the whole population should all be carrying guns

kids, grannies, retards....everybody !!!!

why deny anybody the right to defend themselves against an attacker... it's our right etc blah blah blah

what do you mean by "should".

If someone hates guns, they should not be forced to have one. If someone wants a gun they should not be prevented from it, unless they're a criminal or insane.

gun ownership by sane, law abiding citizens is not the problem. Yet those advocating stricter gun laws, which only target those who aren't the problem, somehow think that the problems will diminish.

Case in point: the Columbine shooting. This was used by many who supported the Assault Weapons Ban. Yet the Assault Weapons Ban was in full force when the Columbine incident happened. Surprise, surprise.

The banning of assault weapons didn't prevent the incident from happening.

Here's a something to consider: Is it possible that psychotics bent on shooting a schoolroom full of people (and afterwards killing themselves) don't give a shit about the law?

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Thx again for that info... Blue ones..

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[Richards 0]

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I'm not so convinced about that. An armed population is not a militia. There is currently no organisation and that could not be arranged in any kind of hurry, if the shite was to hit the fan.

Possibly. It seemes that in throughout history, trained armies have been given grief by small groups of insurgents and such. Given that a large portion of the population may have served at one time or another the possibility of raising an ad hoc militia would not be unreasonable. Throw in hunters and natives who may have a better than average grasp of the terrian outside the cities and it seems actually quite plausible. Again it would be much easier if there were already guns in place.

My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

[Richards 0]

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the whole population should all be carrying guns

kids, grannies, retards....everybody !!!!

Where did anyone suggest that the mentally incompetent or little children should be walking around armed?

My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

[Derekbox 0]

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This argument flies in the face of an argument mentioned earlier, that if guns weren't available other objects would be used. An example given was bombs.

You are pretty much as wrong as can be. The issue is gun violence. If the school was blown up that is now a fertalizer issue.

You cant have it all. Want to outlaw cars so someone cant plow over a crowd?

[kallend 2,027]

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This argument flies in the face of an argument mentioned earlier, that if guns weren't available other objects would be used. An example given was bombs.

You are pretty much as wrong as can be. The issue is gun violence. If the school was blown up that is now a fertalizer issue.

You cant have it all. Want to outlaw cars so someone cant plow over a crowd?

Theorize all you want. The US has a higher per-capita incidence of school shootings than other western nations. The US has a higher number of guns per capita than other western nations. Coincidence? I think not.

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