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Gun laws and school massacres - a price that just has to be paid?
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mnealtx 0
QuoteTheorize all you want. The US has a higher per-capita incidence of school shootings than other western nations. The US has a higher number of guns per capita than other western nations. Coincidence? I think not.
Sort of like blaming silverware for obesity, don't you think?
Mike
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mnealtx 0
QuoteSchools are supposed to provide a healthy environment for kids to learn and learn to socialize.
No. Schools have *BECOME* a place to learn to socialize. I see the problem as twofold - schools trying to become the parents and 'mold' the children... and parents letting them.
QuoteSchool is a place for students to bond with there peers, to learn to interact with society, to learn to be treated with respect and responsibility and to learn respect and responsibility.
See above - schools started taking over that function from the families several decades ago.
Mike
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quade 4
You're really trying to walk the line aren't you?
I would really back up a bit to ensure things like this aren't misconstrued as an actual personal attack.
I would really back up a bit to ensure things like this aren't misconstrued as an actual personal attack.
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steve1 5
QuoteThis is not a liberal problem. I think it is a failed school system and a break down healthy families (among other things).
Schools are supposed to provide a healthy environment for kids to learn and learn to socialize. The mentality that school is strictly for learning is bullshit. School is a place for students to bond with there peers, to learn to interact with society, to learn to be treated with respect and responsibility and to learn respect and responsibility. We all are aware of what is actually going on the majority of schools. Its a breakdown. Its a battlefield.
such realities. Way to many parents have children, but supporting a raising a child is only part of the development. You cannot teach responsibility, trust, problem solving and life skills to your child when you are not only vaguely present in your child's life, but you lack the skills yourself.
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I agree with this. One reason schools today are so crazy, is because of the huge numbers of kids who are acting out their anger the wrong way.
Some kids have never had limits imposed on them, and they come to school thinking they are entitled to do whatever, whenever they want. And even these kids are filled with anger and hate for not getting what they needed growing up.
Many kids have giant problems with authority. The adult authority figures in their life have abused, neglected, and abandoned them before they started school. They trust noone. They come to school suffering from PTSD and Complex Trauma Disorder. Is it any wonder public schools are such a battleground.
And how do you fix all this. A visit to the school counselor isn't enough to help much if they are returning home to a crazy home each night. Many will require therapy by a skilled therapist for years after. It's really hard to fix damaged kids.
Alternative schools help many kids, but that takes money. Politicians often spend this money on other programs.
I think part of the solution would be to teach parenting programs throughout school. Perhaps the next generation of parents could do a better job of raising their kids. Usually dysfunction is handed from one generation to the next. Kids are a lot like the people who raised them. Parenting education could be a proactive step in the right direction.
Right now schools teachingt so many different things, that there is not enough time to cram in all into the school day.....
QuoteYou're really trying to walk the line aren't you?
I would really back up a bit to ensure things like this aren't misconstrued as an actual personal attack.
Actually John is alot more conservative than many of his peers.
Don't read into it, I am very capable of insulting someone outright, without tip toeing around the matter.
SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteSo, in other words you are saying that access to guns is the entire problem??? Isn't there a lot more to it than that....I agree our country is a violent place, but are we so short sighted to blame it all on guns.
I think the big problem is the way many kids are being raised in America. Many have no idea what a normal family is. Many are being raised by a TV set and violent video games. Mom and Dad are off someplace working or just doing their own thing. Many kids don't have a Mom or Dad.
I think America should be ashamed of the way many kids are being raised. Without an adult care giver that gives a rip, most kids turn out angry indeed. Violence may become a way of life. I think the problem is worsening and not getting better.
I agree with you. The same problems are going on in many other western countries. However, since there is far less access to guns, there is also a lower incidence of school shootings.
Does that mean that I think guns should be taken away from US citizens? Not at all. But the original quesiton was if the school shootings are a price that has to be paid. And I do think that is the case in the current western society.
SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteSort of like blaming silverware for obesity, don't you think?
No, more like realizing that an abundance in offering of "fast food" combined with huge portion sizes has an influence on the obesity rate.
kallend 2,027
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Just like the fact that the USA has more liberal professors per capita than the rest of the developed world.
I often wondered why students come from all over the world to study in US universities, and why our universities are top ranked in the entire world. Thanks for the explanation.
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kallend 2,027
QuoteQuoteTheorize all you want. The US has a higher per-capita incidence of school shootings than other western nations. The US has a higher number of guns per capita than other western nations. Coincidence? I think not.
Sort of like blaming silverware for obesity, don't you think?
No. You don't need silverware to pig out at McDonalds. You do need a gun to go on a shooting spree.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
I think it's apparant most can see the real problem has to do with American culture in this instance.
It is gradually becoming more corrupt. Decadent. Immoral. Very much like the rest of our Western societies. Whilst they all might not have a gun culture like America, they virtually all share the same problem of social degradation.
So perhaps the argument would be best discussed taking this key area into account. It's where the solution lies - and this degeneracy reaches into all our lives.
So what are the causes? Violent TV and video games? Family breakdown? Less discipline in school? National leadership exasperating the issue in a vicious circle? Religion?
Either way, and I've mentioned this earlier, gun ownership only scratches the surface of this international problem.
'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'
It is gradually becoming more corrupt. Decadent. Immoral. Very much like the rest of our Western societies. Whilst they all might not have a gun culture like America, they virtually all share the same problem of social degradation.
So perhaps the argument would be best discussed taking this key area into account. It's where the solution lies - and this degeneracy reaches into all our lives.
So what are the causes? Violent TV and video games? Family breakdown? Less discipline in school? National leadership exasperating the issue in a vicious circle? Religion?
Either way, and I've mentioned this earlier, gun ownership only scratches the surface of this international problem.
'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'
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Just like the fact that the USA has more liberal professors per capita than the rest of the developed world.
The fact that the USA has more shit for brains, liberal, stinky, hippy, anarchist, students per capita than the rest of the world, is no coincidence at all.
Any source available? I do belong to the rest of the world, that's why ...
dudeist skydiver # 3105
QuoteI think it's apparant most can see the real problem has to do with American culture in this instance.
It is gradually becoming more corrupt. Decadent. Immoral. Very much like the rest of our Western societies. Whilst they all might not have a gun culture like America, they virtually all share the same problem of social degradation.
So perhaps the argument would be best discussed taking this key area into account. It's where the solution lies - and this degeneracy reaches into all our lives.
So what are the causes? Violent TV and video games? Family breakdown? Less discipline in school? National leadership exasperating the issue in a vicious circle? Religion?
Either way, and I've mentioned this earlier, gun ownership only scratches the surface of this international problem.
At least someone gets it.
Duh! Can I get a prize? Can I?'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'
You won a years supply of cold pork pies!!!
'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'
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mnealtx 0
QuoteQuoteSort of like blaming silverware for obesity, don't you think?
No, more like realizing that an abundance in offering of "fast food" combined with huge portion sizes has an influence on the obesity rate.
When you can prove that the food causes the person to make the choice to eat, let me know. Until then, I'll presume it's still the person's choice as to what food and what amount they eat.
Mike
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I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
You make a good point. I am pro gun and I don't want that right taken away. The breakdown of the family is causing a lot of problems in this country. If more parents did their jobs the world would be a better place. My oldest is in 5th grade and the stuff his friends do with the knowledge of their parents is frightning. As a father of 4 I know being a good parent is hard to do but it must be done. Parents are more concerned with being the friend of their child as opposed to the parent.
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