Gun laws and school massacres - a price that just has to be paid?

[The_Almighty 0]

Do the gun lovers think that school massacres are just an unfortunate price that has to be paid so that they can keep their guns?

And also.... Do Americans still think they need an armed populous/millitia to deter any potential attackers from trying to invade their country? do they think their armed forces won't be able to cope on their own if they are attacked and so will need the help of the gun toting members of the public to help them?

[beowulf 1]

Wow you have an almighty narrow view to go along with your name.

[ryoder 1,590]

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Do the gun lovers think that school massacres are just an unfortunate price that has to be paid so that they can keep their guns?

And also.... Do Americans still think they need an armed populous/millitia to deter any potential attackers from trying to invade their country? do they think their armed forces won't be able to cope on their own if they are attacked and so will need the help of the gun toting members of the public to help them?

Are there still people so naive that they think outlawing guns will make them all magically disappear??? If that was true, alcohol would have vanished when Prohibition was enacted, and "The War on Drugs" would have ended in victory a half century ago.

The laws of economics, (specifically those of supply and demand), trump man-made laws every time. Idealism is no substitute for facing reality.

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[akarunway 1]

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Wow you have an almighty narrow view to go along with your name.

Yeah and a anonymous chickenshit. Fuck off.

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[The_Almighty 0]

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Wow you have an almighty narrow view to go along with your name.

Yeah and a anonymous chickenshit. Fuck off.

[Glitch 0]

Oh where do I start...?

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Do the gun lovers think that school massacres are just an unfortunate price that has to be paid so that they can keep their guns?

No, but it is a price that we bear for other reasons. The media hyping up an occurance providing infamy (and an easy road to infamy) to the already weak minded; the sheeple who blindly give their trust to the established powers thinking the power won't be abused if given the opportunity; the fucktwats that have no problem taking what isn't theirs simply because they want it; etc ... These are just a couple of reasons why we must pay that price in order to 'keep and bear arms'.

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And also.... Do Americans still think they need an armed populous/millitia to deter any potential attackers from trying to invade their country?

We "need" an armed populace to deter potential attackers of both the foreign and domestic varieties.

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do they think their armed forces won't be able to cope on their own if they are attacked and so will need the help of the gun toting members of the public to help them?

Well, Katrina proved, once again, that we can't depend upon law enforcement or the military to protect us when we need it most. So yes, I believe the law enforcement community and the military 'needs' the gun-toting community... in more ways than one.

Randomly f'n thingies up since before I was born...

[Thanatos340 1]

First you have to accept that it was NOT the Gun that did this. It was a mentally ill person that did this.

If (and this is a HUGE "if") a Gun was not available, they would have used some other tool. Fire, Bomb, Poison.. Lots of other ways to meet their objectives. Most of which would actually cause much MORE pain and destruction. Also just making Guns illegal does NOT make them go away. It just puts guns solely in the hand of criminals. I doubt Criminals will be doing much of a background check.

As for the Armed Militia, I always considered the right to bear Arms as much of a protection from our own government as from other Invaders. Nothing quite keeps a Government in line as the knowledge that the Governed are well armed.

[kallend 2,027]

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As for the Armed Militia, I always considered the right to bear Arms as much of a protection from our own government as from other Invaders. Nothing quite keeps a Government in line as the knowledge that the Governed are well armed.

So why aren't the armed citizens up in arms about the way the current administration is trampling all over the Bill of Rights?

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[AWL71 0]

The best defense is a good offense. A well armed populace is a good thing in any ways.

Drunk drivers kill many more people than school shootings but no one is crying for the days of prohibition again. Shit happens. No one can guarantee your safety, not the government or the police. That is why I am armed. A gun does not guarantee my safety but it sure does give me the advantage.

The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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So why aren't the armed citizens up in arms about the way the current administration is trampling all over the Bill of Rights?

[nerdgirl 0]

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Do the gun lovers think that school massacres are just an unfortunate price that has to be paid so that they can keep their guns?

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As a gun-agnostic realist, I don't think it's the correct question.

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Do the gun lovers think that school massacres are just an unfortunate price that has to be paid so that they can keep their guns?

No. This has nothing to do with guns, it has to do with culture. Kids once brought guns to school all the time, and nobody got shot. I had my first gun a 12 years old. I have yet to shoot anyone.

I do think we have a problem with bullying that is causing some of these incidents. Kids who think that there is no alternative choose the gun as a way to equalize the situation. Maybe if we got these kids some self-defense lessons, taught them to lift weights, and let them fight with their fists a bit more, with less severe consequences, the shootings would diminish.

I was bullied when younger, and ended up in lots of fights. I lost some and won some, but never let anyone think that I wouldn't punch them in the face if they pushed hard enough. The thought of using a gun never entered my mind. My gun was for deer and squirrels.

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And also.... Do Americans still think they need an armed populous/millitia to deter any potential attackers from trying to invade their country? do they think their armed forces won't be able to cope on their own if they are attacked and so will need the help of the gun toting members of the public to help them?

An armed populace is less prone to domination by a tyranical government. In addition, we all have a god given right to self-defense.

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Maybe if we got these kids some self-defense lessons, taught them to lift weights, and let them fight with their fists a bit more, with less severe consequences, the shootings would diminish.

Do you really think that the kid in this last incident would have put forth such an effort. I doubt it.

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Maybe if we got these kids some self-defense lessons, taught them to lift weights, and let them fight with their fists a bit more, with less severe consequences, the shootings would diminish.

Do you really think that the kid in this last incident would have put forth such an effort. I doubt it.

Which incident? The actual shootings, or the kid that was caught with 30 BB guns and soda bottles full of gun powder?

And honestly I haven't read enough on either to make a guess. I suppose I am just sayying that suppressing all expressions of anger or frustration may lead to these catastrophies, instead of a bunch of smaller incidents.

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[Thanatos340 1]

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No. This has nothing to do with guns, it has to do with culture. Kids once brought guns to school all the time, and nobody got shot. I had my first gun a 12 years old. I have yet to shoot anyone.

I do think we have a problem with bullying that is causing some of these incidents. Kids who think that there is no alternative choose the gun as a way to equalize the situation. Maybe if we got these kids some self-defense lessons, taught them to lift weights, and let them fight with their fists a bit more, with less severe consequences, the shootings would diminish.

I was bullied when younger, and ended up in lots of fights. I lost some and won some, but never let anyone think that I wouldn't punch them in the face if they pushed hard enough. The thought of using a gun never entered my mind. My gun was for deer and squirrels.

I hate it when I find that I agree with you completely on something.
Makes me really question my logic. But as much as it pains me to admit.. I agree.

[The_Almighty 0]

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Wow you have an almighty narrow view to go along with your name.

Yeah and a anonymous chickenshit. Fuck off.

oh.... nice personal attack

[Zipp0 1]

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I hate it when I find that I agree with you completely on something.
Makes me really question my logic. But as much as it pains me to admit.. I agree.

I respect you for admitting that, since I know how painful that was to type!

But hey, it's my gun views that let me stay registered as a Republican without being a TOTAL hypocrite.

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Maybe if we got these kids some self-defense lessons, taught them to lift weights, and let them fight with their fists a bit more, with less severe consequences, the shootings would diminish.

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Do you really think that the kid in this last incident would have put forth such an effort. I doubt it.

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Which incident? The actual shootings, or the kid that was caught with 30 BB guns and soda bottles full of gun powder?

And honestly I haven't read enough on either to make a guess. I suppose I am just sayying that suppressing all expressions of anger or frustration may lead to these catastrophies, instead of a bunch of smaller incidents.

The recent shooting. The kid looked about 5'7" and probably weighed a minimum of 250lb.

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Maybe if we got these kids some self-defense lessons, taught them to lift weights, and let them fight with their fists a bit more, with less severe consequences, the shootings would diminish.

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Do you really think that the kid in this last incident would have put forth such an effort. I doubt it.

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Which incident? The actual shootings, or the kid that was caught with 30 BB guns and soda bottles full of gun powder?

And honestly I haven't read enough on either to make a guess. I suppose I am just sayying that suppressing all expressions of anger or frustration may lead to these catastrophies, instead of a bunch of smaller incidents.

The recent shooting. The kid looked about 5'7" and probably weighed a minimum of 250lb.

typical american then

[JohnRich 4]

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Do the gun lovers think that school massacres are just an unfortunate price that has to be paid so that they can keep their guns?

News excerpts:

A 14-year-old student who opened fire at his high school, wounding four people before killing himself, had a history of mental problems and was known for cussing at teachers and bickering with students.

Asa H. Coon, who had been suspended for fighting, warned classmates of an attack — but none took him seriously.

"When he got suspended, he was like `I got something for you all,'" said student Frances Henderson...

Parents were angry that firearms got into a school equipped with metal detectors...

Coon's troubles seemed to come to a tipping point this week when he was suspended for fighting outside with a classmate. Students said Monday's fight was over God — Coon told his classmates he didn't believe in God and instead worshipped rocker Marilyn Manson.

Math teacher David Kachadourian..."I had concerns about him, yes. He seemed like an angry young man."

Coon had mental health problems, spent time in two juvenile facilities and threatened to commit suicide while in a mental health facility...

The Department of Children and Family Services was called to Coon's home in 2000 because he had burns on his arms and scratches on his forehead...

When he was 12, Coon was charged in juvenile court with domestic violence. His mother, Lori, had called police and told them her son slapped her and called her a vulgar name.

He was also suspended from school last year for attempting to hurt a student...

"He used to cuss all the teachers out..."

Coon stood out for dressing in a goth style, wearing a black trench coat, black boots, a dog collar and chains...

"He's crazy. He threatened to blow up our school. He threatened to stab everybody..."

Witnesses said the shooter moved through SuccessTech... wearing a Manson shirt, black jeans and black-painted finger nails,...

The first person shot, 14-year-old Michael Peek, had punched Coon in the face right before the shootings began...

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/...s/school_shooting_70

With all that stuff going wrong in this kids life, the only thing you can think to blame is the law-abiding gun owners who had nothing to do with the crime?

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And also.... Do Americans still think they need an armed populous/millitia to deter any potential attackers from trying to invade their country? do they think their armed forces won't be able to cope on their own if they are attacked and so will need the help of the gun toting members of the public to help them?

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Do the gun lovers think that school massacres are just an unfortunate price that has to be paid so that they can keep their guns?

It's one of the consequences that may be eliminated by armed teachers, principals, or others who would provide the shooter with a thought against it.

Do police stations get shot up? How about gun shows? Target ranges? Nope.

Let's say you want to kill a lot of people with a minimum of problems. You look for a place where people are unprotected because firearms aren't allowed anywhere near them and a nice concentration of easy pickings.

Oh, schools! Yes. Guns aren't allowed on schools. They won't have any protection. Let's shoot them up!

The only protection being offered to these kids is taking their protections away. What a shame.

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[Zipp0 1]

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The first person shot, 14-year-old Michael Peek, had punched Coon in the face right before the shootings began...

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/...s/school_shooting_70

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Do the gun lovers think that school massacres are just an unfortunate price that has to be paid so that they can keep their guns?

And also.... Do Americans still think they need an armed populous/millitia to deter any potential attackers from trying to invade their country? do they think their armed forces won't be able to cope on their own if they are attacked and so will need the help of the gun toting members of the public to help them?

So sayeth the anonymous poster who's trolling for reactions.

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

[AWL71 0]

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Do the gun lovers think that school massacres are just an unfortunate price that has to be paid so that they can keep their guns?

It's one of the consequences that may be eliminated by armed teachers, principals, or others who would provide the shooter with a thought against it.

Do police stations get shot up? How about gun shows? Target ranges? Nope.

Let's say you want to kill a lot of people with a minimum of problems. You look for a place where people are unprotected because firearms aren't allowed anywhere near them and a nice concentration of easy pickings.

Oh, schools! Yes. Guns aren't allowed on schools. They won't have any protection. Let's shoot them up!

The only protection being offered to these kids is taking their protections away. What a shame.

I couldn't agree more. I have three kids in school and I would be happy as a pig in mud if I know their teachers were armed and knew how to use a gun. Schools are sitting ducks for shootings, etc.

The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.