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My"mirror, is what I use to keep myself humbel and not take myself too seriously

How about the lighting.. a mirror requires lighting to see the reflection....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Nor do most people but, you know dam well that is not where it ends. You bring out the most extreem examples to TRY and make your point. You can do better than that

I truely got my answer.. most of you in the right wing would allow for starvation of the needy if it meant a new weapons system for the greedy.

So much for all their blathering about being a christian country....that we hear from the right wingers here.

I have always believed that a society is judged by how it treats its least fortunate citizens.

...I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. Matthew 19:24.

Tell you what Jeanne... let's get right down to some more "where the rubber hits the road."

In the last 5 years, what is the average percentage of your income that you gave to charity last year? Or did you rely on your government and their /sarcasm alert/ purely altruistic motives to distrbute your taxes to the needy?

Me, I don't mind paying SOME taxes... it comes w/ living in a civil society... but this pork that the govt. calls it's social spending is a bunch of shit.

So, on average, in addition to paying out the NOSE on taxes, I've given almost 12% of my gross to charity. And most of my "right winger" friends either match or EXCEED my giving.

Do you match or exceed that?

I miss Lee.
And JP.
And Chris. And...

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Nor do most people but, you know dam well that is not where it ends. You bring out the most extreem examples to TRY and make your point. You can do better than that

I truely got my answer.. most of you in the right wing would allow for starvation of the needy if it meant a new weapons system for the greedy.

So much for all their blathering about being a christian country....that we hear from the right wingers here.

I have always believed that a society is judged by how it treats its least fortunate citizens.

...I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. Matthew 19:24.

Tell you what Jeanne... let's get right down to some more "where the rubber hits the road."

In the last 5 years, what is the average percentage of your income that you gave to charity last year? Or did you rely on your government and their /sarcasm alert/ purely altruistic motives to distrbute your taxes to the needy?

Me, I don't mind paying SOME taxes... it comes w/ living in a civil society... but this pork that the govt. calls it's social spending is a bunch of shit.

So, on average, in addition to paying out the NOSE on taxes, I've given almost 12% of my gross to charity. And most of my "right winger" friends either match or EXCEED my giving.

Do you match or exceed that?

That really is a strawman. Voluntary donations to charity include huge amouts given to churches, opera companies, symphony orchestras, art galleries, museums, etc. and other things that primarily benefit the giver.

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Nor do most people but, you know dam well that is not where it ends. You bring out the most extreem examples to TRY and make your point. You can do better than that

I truely got my answer.. most of you in the right wing would allow for starvation of the needy if it meant a new weapons system for the greedy.

So much for all their blathering about being a christian country....that we hear from the right wingers here.

I have always believed that a society is judged by how it treats its least fortunate citizens.

...I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. Matthew 19:24.

Tell you what Jeanne... let's get right down to some more "where the rubber hits the road."

In the last 5 years, what is the average percentage of your income that you gave to charity last year? Or did you rely on your government and their /sarcasm alert/ purely altruistic motives to distrbute your taxes to the needy?

Me, I don't mind paying SOME taxes... it comes w/ living in a civil society... but this pork that the govt. calls it's social spending is a bunch of shit.

So, on average, in addition to paying out the NOSE on taxes, I've given almost 12% of my gross to charity. And most of my "right winger" friends either match or EXCEED my giving.

Do you match or exceed that?

That really is a strawman. Voluntary donations to charity include huge amouts given to churches, opera companies, symphony orchestras, art galleries, museums, etc. and other things that primarily benefit the giver.

A STRAWMAN? Well, you must not have seen the data that shows when government takes less charitable giving increases by a higher percentage than the gov required taxes. Tells me much about you and how you "give".

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Me, I don't mind paying SOME taxes... it comes w/ living in a civil society... but this pork that the govt. calls it's social spending is a bunch of shit.

Uh just who was it that was in charge of the Rubber Stamp REpublicans who set new levels of
PORK..

And... My percentage of giving would probably go a long way in trumping your 12%..in real numbers and time.

And.. you sure as hell do not want to pay what I pay in taxes.
The difference is.. I DO realize that is what it takes to live in a civilized society.. and I decry waste as much as anyone else.. BUT when I see the level of incompetence and the BILLIONS of our taxes going to the greedy contractors and their fleecing of America.. I want to bitch.... and I want some of the assholes in the Administration who perpetrated this wholesale theft from our treasury to be prosecuted for this level of corruption.

[rushmc 23]

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Me, I don't mind paying SOME taxes... it comes w/ living in a civil society... but this pork that the govt. calls it's social spending is a bunch of shit.

Uh just who was it that was in charge of the Rubber Stamp REpublicans who set new levels of
PORK..

And... My percentage of giving would probably go a long way in trumping your 12%..in real numbers and time.

And.. you sure as hell do not want to pay what I pay in taxes.

Who are you writing for tonigh Leno, Konan? Let us know so we can watch

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Nor do most people but, you know dam well that is not where it ends. You bring out the most extreem examples to TRY and make your point. You can do better than that

I truely got my answer.. most of you in the right wing would allow for starvation of the needy if it meant a new weapons system for the greedy.

So much for all their blathering about being a christian country....that we hear from the right wingers here.

I have always believed that a society is judged by how it treats its least fortunate citizens.

...I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. Matthew 19:24.

Tell you what Jeanne... let's get right down to some more "where the rubber hits the road."

In the last 5 years, what is the average percentage of your income that you gave to charity last year? Or did you rely on your government and their /sarcasm alert/ purely altruistic motives to distrbute your taxes to the needy?

Me, I don't mind paying SOME taxes... it comes w/ living in a civil society... but this pork that the govt. calls it's social spending is a bunch of shit.

So, on average, in addition to paying out the NOSE on taxes, I've given almost 12% of my gross to charity. And most of my "right winger" friends either match or EXCEED my giving.

Do you match or exceed that?

That really is a strawman. Voluntary donations to charity include huge amouts given to churches, opera companies, symphony orchestras, art galleries, museums, etc. and other things that primarily benefit the giver.

The majority of the financial giving that my wife and I decide to give is not opera. And it is not to church either. It is to social programs that directly help those in need.

Strawman my ass. John, I always put my money where my mouth is. As I've challenged Jeanne, I challenge you too... what have you given?

I miss Lee.
And JP.
And Chris. And...

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Who are you writing for tonigh Leno, Konan? Let us know so we can watch

At least I am capable of writing ... and coming up with original thought.. rather than parroting what I hear on the Lush Rimjob Show and pretending I have had an erudite thought.

[rushmc 23]

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Who are you writing for tonigh Leno, Konan? Let us know so we can watch

At least I am capable of writing ... and coming up with original thought.. rather than parroting what I hear on the Lush Rimjob Show and pretending I have had an erudite thought.

Oh the arogance

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Nice right wing talking point of anyone who uses a multi-syllabic word




Here is laughing at you.. since I would never be laughing with you

[rushmc 23]

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Nice right wing talking point of anyone who uses a multi-syllabic word




Here is laughing at you.. since I would never be laughing with you

Nice, at least I tryed. If you so choose I give you permision to post my last three PM's to you. I will not hold my breath

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Sorry I do not post PMS into the general discussions forums.. its considered bad form... as SEVERAL of your fellow right wingers have done in the past...

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Nice, at least I tryed. If you so choose I give you permision to post my last three PM's to you. I will not hold my breath

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE use the FUCKING SPELL CHECK

4 years of reading your posts with all the spelling errors is very taxing.

[rushmc 23]

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Sorry I do not post PMS into the general discussions forums.. its considered bad form... as SEVERAL of your fellow right wingers have done in the past...

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Nice, at least I tryed. If you so choose I give you permision to post my last three PM's to you. I will not hold my breath

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE use the FUCKING SPELL CHECK

4 years of reading your posts with all the spelling errors is very taxing.

Too fucking bad. My offer still stands despite your attempt to redirect the thread

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Me, I don't mind paying SOME taxes... it comes w/ living in a civil society... but this pork that the govt. calls it's social spending is a bunch of shit.

And... My percentage of giving would probably go a long way in trumping your 12%..in real numbers and time.

And.. you sure as hell do not want to pay what I pay in taxes.
The difference is.. I DO realize that is what it takes to live in a civilized society.. and I decry waste as much as anyone else.. BUT when I see the level of incompetence and the BILLIONS of our taxes going to the greedy contractors and their fleecing of America.. I want to bitch.... and I want some of the assholes in the Administration who perpetrated this wholesale theft from our treasury to be prosecuted for this level of corruption.

I knew it was a mistake to say what I give financially... b/c that just ends up turning into a pissing war. However, no one has yet given any %, have they.

As far as what you pay in taxes, that also has a lot to do w/ your LIFESTYLE, and where you live, family, etc. etc. But please... no pissing war on taxes... I pay tons. Do you really want a pissing war on who pays that most? That's just silly.

Your insinuation that I am not upset about the fleecing of America and that I don't know what it takes to live in a civilized society is just assinine. But that is what I've come to expect...

I miss Lee.
And JP.
And Chris. And...

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The thread is about welfare...not about your not wanting to pay for people who will not work...nor is the thread about YOU....funny how it all revolves around YOU in so many threads now isn't it.

That does not meet the requirements for a debate... your PM is invalid on the merits.

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Your insinuation that I am not upset about the fleecing of America and that I don't know what it takes to live in a civilized society is just assinine. But that is what I've come to expect...

So where are the posts from the right with righteous indignation...all I see from the right on the subject of right wing pork barrel spending from the Rubber Stanpers of a Republican Administration and Republican Congress is the huge sound of crickets chirping from our right wing posters in SC.

WAR is GOOD

WELFARE is BAD

Doesn't that sound about right from the right??

I used to expect better of some here.

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Your insinuation that I am not upset about the fleecing of America and that I don't know what it takes to live in a civilized society is just assinine. But that is what I've come to expect...

So where are the posts from the right with righteous indignation...all I see from the right on the subject of right wing pork barrel spending from the Rubber Stanpers of a Republican Administration and Republican Congress is the huge sound of crickets chirping from our right wing posters in SC.

WAR is GOOD

WELFARE is BAD

Doesn't that sound about right from the right??

I used to expect better of some here.

To a point I agree with you. There should be a lot more accountability demanded of the douchebags in office currently. And yes, war is bad, generally speaking. Sometimes it's necessary however. Is welfare necessary? I'd say that the answer is a qualified "no." Temperary assistance to those who may need it, sure. Permenant assistance to those who need it, sure. Permenant assistance to those who DON'T NEED IT? Hell no. Get off the dole. Stop being placated by your nanny, the govt., and get going. It's possible. People have done it.

I firmly believe that individuals and private organizations ALWAYS do a MUCH BETTER JOB at helping the needy than does the government. ALWAYS. I've seen it. And there are so many who WANT to help but feel then can't b/c of a strapping tax burden that does not help the needy effectively.

I miss Lee.
And JP.
And Chris. And...

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Is welfare necessary? I'd say that the answer is a qualified "no." Temperary assistance to those who may need it, sure. Permenant assistance to those who need it, sure. Permenant assistance to those who DON'T NEED IT? Hell no. Get off the dole.

Finally we agree on something. I do not mind paying for it for thos in need, but there has to be a LOT more accountability. I seem to remember a HUGE reform of welfare in the 90's. I firmly believe if someone has the ability to work in some form or another needs to do so.. period. If they are injured and can no longer do the job they were doing.. then retraining has to occur.

Those who scam the system need to be provided with food and lodging for an appropriate amount of time in PRISON for their fraud.

On that same note.. EVERYONE invovled with the massive corruption and waste that has been the Iraq Debacle...... needs to go to JAIL for that level of lying to the American people and for the corruption they have been part of.

Edited to add.. that ALL social programs need to be watched closely.. but the Politicians in Waswhington need to have MORE scrutiny...and there should NEVER be some pork barrel bullshit attached to ANY other bill.
If the project merits funding. it needs to be its own separate bill and have debate on its merits..... no matter WHAT your party affiliation is.

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Nice dodge.

Try comprehending a bit more, your former professors deserve a bit more effort.

If you care to, I can drive you through the nearby section 8 housing and show you how they live.

Expensive SUVs with 10k of add ons, expensive clothing, 200 dollar sneakers, booze bottles strewn across the area, along with burnt spoons and glass pipes.

I hope you like what the current welfare system created.

When my own mother was diagnosed with a fatal illness in the late 1980's she was turned down for welfare and food stamps, so she got into her used 1976 chevy caprice, and went home.

It took her two years of appeals in order to get help, meanwhile every time she went back to the office she was amazed at the new caddillacs and expensive attire of the welfare recipients.

The woman who originally denied her benefits, was only too glad to point out to my mom that white ladies don't need help.(take your white ass out of my office, were her words)

Take that experience and decide for yourself how great the welfare system is.

The people that truly deserve help are the last ones to receive it.

I believe some people truly deserve help, and the rest shold be strung up in public for being thieves that would take food, and medicine out of the mouth of those who need it the most.

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At least I am capable of writing ... and coming up with original thought..

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Sure, you'll come up with original thought, and you'll provide some examples sometime -- just not tonight.

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Gee more of the same.. are you stalking me again Karl.....I didnt think I was your type.


And that term I use to describe your hero...He is a DOPER... hence LUSH... and RimJob...well we know how well he does with women and with his background that is well documented I am sure HE knows what it is.....the derision... well anyone with his level of hypocrisy on drugs.. minorities... the military and gays... is VERY deserving.

I think I know why so many of the right wingers support him though... BIG OLE Closets there in the right wing so they understand him.

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Gee more of the same.. are you stalking me again Karl.....I didnt think I was your type.

Just dropped in for a few laughs before bed -- thanks for providing them.

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And that term I use to describe your hero...He is a DOPER... hence LUSH... and RimJob...

Oh, now it all makes sense. Deep, very deep.

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Hey I am not the one that supports him hook line and sinker.... I thought all you right wingers were against all that sort of thing. tsk tsk tsk... I guess its easy to fool you people after all..... Lush does it daily... The Shrub fooled you. Karl Rove is fooling all of you.... birds of a feather.. are flocking together.

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You're right on. I deal with folks that think uncle sugar should take care of them from cradle to grave. I'm dealing with 3rd generation housing authority residents.
I actually was called to a fight in a soup-line, the argument started over what one guy said about another guys girlfriend "over the e-mail". Both these guys in the line had computers and they called the cops on their cell phones!!!! There was also a guy watching the fight that was so fat he needed crutches to stand, he was in the soup-line too. Only in America.
We did a survey a few years ago, the housing authority (projects) used 40% of city services, yet provided only 2% of revenue, we all pick up the slack for that.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

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I have paid something like $750,000 (2007 dollars) in federal taxes alone over the last 30 years, and I've not asked anyone to pay for me or my family. I have no problem AT ALL with my taxes going to help the truly needy.

Well, there's a lonely, cold soldier out there somewhere, needing ammo for his weapon.