My Article in The Washington Times (Guns)

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Although I'm stuck in Ca. right now and can't get a CCW here I still carry concealed. Be a felony if I get caught..

Another "law abiding gun owner"

Right? Aka....you keep posting this stuff on the internet and you are gonna get busted for illigaly carrying a gun, and then we will have to include you in the statistics. :)

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[DrewEckhardt 0]

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But you don't compare these two. You compare the CCW population with those in the 18-22 demographic who take the effort to secure a CCW license, rather than to go out drinking Thursday night. They already demonstrate a higher level of maturity.
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What proof do you have that 18-22y/o CCW holders refrain from drinking on Thursdays (or any other day). I can assure you that 18-22y/o ROTC students don't.

The same proof that 18-22y/o CDL drivers refrain from drinking on Thursday nights. We let them drive 80,000 pound semis a few feet from bystanders. Once they reach 21 we even let them do that with hazardous materials that can do even more damage.

We treat the drinking issue as the completely orthogonal problem that it is rather than exercising prior restraint and forbidding 18-22 year olds from driving trucks for a living or increasing the drinking age.

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Ever consider the average age of a gun weilding military member?
Weapons training is still a part of recruit training last I heard. (except maybe the Air Farce )

Ever consider how many accidental deaths from legal guns we have every year. I am sure I dont need to go digging for stats since this is a common occurence. Recently we have the NASA astronaut wanting to kill another astronaut for taking her man. Can you imagine this on a college campus where this happens every day. Nahhh...accidents, or murder using legal guns would never happen once we give the go ahead for college students to carry legal guns on campus.

But you can't assume every student is going to have a dorm full of guns. It is not like students would required to be armed. If students were allowed to carry concealed I imagine a very small percentage actually would. But even if a few were armed it would be an improvement over none.

The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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since this is a common occurence

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Recently we have the NASA astronaut wanting to kill another astronaut for taking her man.

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Can you imagine this on a college campus where this happens every day.

No I honestly cannot.

I expect that the majority of those around me have a weapon on their person given that I live in a carry state. That alone stands as quite the deterrence.
Along with gun ownership comes a greater level of responsibility the most people understand.
There has already been a precedence established for a right to carry on private and company property overriding policies established by both the property owners and the businesses. I personally don't see much of a stretch to campus, given recent events.

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Can you imagine this on a college campus where this happens every day.

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No I honestly cannot.

Of course not..you live in a perfect world. I dont. Accidental gun shootings happen quite often. Mix in college drunken parties, cheating girfriends/boyfriends, fraternity show off jocks, football games gone wrong, pissed off asian nerds who get a B on their exam, and legal guns make all the perfect sense.

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Bad guys getting illegal guns is pretty much the only argument you guys pose for legal gun ownership, but when a 4 year old kid acidentally blows his brains out with a legal gun, guns no longer sound like such a great idea.

Besides most of the time pulling out a legal gun, when another gun is pointed at you only escalates the situation, rather then prevent it, or deal with it.

If you think you need a gun to be a man, or to protect yourself, I hope your kid doesnt blow his head off accidentally for your belief.


Edted to say: I had guns in the house until there were kids in the house.....the no more. No matter how you lock it up, or hide...kids figure out a way to get to them. Its dumb.

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Although I'm stuck in Ca. right now and can't get a CCW here I still carry concealed. Be a felony if I get caught..

Another "law abiding gun owner"

Hey, know what? Fuck you. Ca. gun laws suck. But when you what me to save one of your relatives in need. Fuck em. I'll let em die.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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Of course not..you live in a perfect world. I dont. Accidental gun shootings happen quite often.

So the plan is to just keep repeating this until it is fact? Yet most of your response isn't about accidents, so I don't know why you keep making that claim.

You ignore the status quo, where second string kickers on second tier football teams stab the first stringer to get the job. Where all of these emotional issues you speak of already exist, and laws don't prevent bad things from happening. How about addressing the point of Douva's article? In 1966, there was a response. Last year, there was not, which allowed the attacker to leave and return for a second round.

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Although I'm stuck in Ca. right now and can't get a CCW here I still carry concealed. Be a felony if I get caught..

Another "law abiding gun owner"

Right? Aka....you keep posting this stuff on the internet and you are gonna get busted for illigaly carrying a gun, and then we will have to include you in the statistics. :)

Learn how to spell asshole

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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Of course not..you live in a perfect world. I dont. Accidental gun shootings happen quite often.

So the plan is to just keep repeating this until it is fact? Yet most of your response isn't about accidents, so I don't know why you keep making that claim.

You ignore the status quo, where second string kickers on second tier football teams stab the first stringer to get the job. Where all of these emotional issues you speak of already exist, and laws don't prevent bad things from happening. How about addressing the point of Douva's article? In 1966, there was a response. Last year, there was not, which allowed the attacker to leave and return for a second round.

I pose 2 arguments against legal guns. One is accidental death, and two is escalating situations by pulling out more guns (Douva strategically picked two instances. That's not enough to claim that legal guns are great)

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[kelpdiver 2]

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Bad guys getting illegal guns is pretty much the only argument you guys pose for legal gun ownership, but when a 4 year old kid acidentally blows his brains out with a legal gun, guns no longer sound like such a great idea.

Outside of BYU, how many schools see a lot of students with 4 year olds? Again, your accidental shooting thing is a red herring, irrelevent to the conversation.

BTW, instead of pretending they didn't exist, adults in my childhood showed me how to shoot guns. And to respect them. That ole parenting thing.

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Hey, know what? Fuck you. Ca. gun laws suck.

Ahh, one of those Law Abiding citizens who abides only those laws he agrees with...and a temper.

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Bad guys getting illegal guns is pretty much the only argument you guys pose for legal gun ownership, but when a 4 year old kid acidentally blows his brains out with a legal gun, guns no longer sound like such a great idea.

Outside of BYU, how many schools see a lot of students with 4 year olds? Again, your accidental shooting thing is a red herring, irrelevent to the conversation.

BTW, instead of pretending they didn't exist, adults in my childhood showed me how to shoot guns. And to respect them. That ole parenting thing.

You are right...I am wrong...deadly accidents with legal guns would never happen on campus.

7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer

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I pose 2 arguments against legal guns. One is accidental death, and two is escalating situations by pulling out more guns (Douva strategically picked two instances. That's not enough to claim that legal guns are great)

You're right - it's better to not escalate the situation. Let people die until the shooter runs out of bullets. That will prevent any accidental shootings. Those are so much worse than intentional ones anyway.

your argument is the same one used against CCWs for adults- and has been proven false in every state.

As for strategic selection, if you look at the full details of the school shootings, you'll find that quite a few of them ended with other guns being used. Sometimes that detail seems to get glossed over, strangely enough.

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Learn how to spell asshole

You are gonna get yourself shot son.

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[CanuckInUSA 0]

I have become gun neutral over the years. I am not a fan of guns being a common place in society but at the same time I realize that they are here to stay.

I think there are bigger problems facing society. Take organized man made religions and throw in governments and/or so called terrorist organizations controlled by these man made religions as an example. Man made religions will be the death of us all. Guns will only kill a few of us.

But the bottom line is, if there are more guns in circulation the odds of them being used to kill people become higher. Take two so called law abiding people, put them behind the wheel of their cars on the highway and add tons of stress to their busy over worked and over taxed lives, throw in the pressure of them losing their homes when the economy is in trouble and the occurences of road rage (or as in another thread someone called it "road tantrums") increase. Now give these two so called normal law abiding people a gun with their road rage and the odds of someone getting shot also increase.

You get what you ask for. If you demand a society where it is your right to bare arms, then the odds of people being shot increase. Of course as I said, I am gun neutral. I am not naive enough to think that the criminals will give up their guns if new gun control laws are passed. The criminals will always arm themselves. Guns are not going anywhere, we better get used to them because they are here to stay. I am more afraid of the evangelical christian or the islamic fundamentalist than I am of someone with a gun. Man made religions will be the death of all of us. Both sides are in the process of lining up to fight each other to the death as we speak and they don't give a rats ass who gets in their way. Don't forget evangelical christians embrace the end of the world as if this is a good thing.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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That's not enough to claim that legal guns are great

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

THAT'S enough for me.

I lock mine in a gun safe, not one of my three children has ever had unsupervised access to them. The two oldest have been to the gun range with me a few times and they don't care for guns. Fine by me.
The yougest is still too young. We shall see.

So back to my point about responsible gun ownership. Apparently it isn't possible in your world.

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Speaking of the elephant in the room....







would having armed students and teachers result in a net reduction of gun-related fatalities on campus?

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Oddly enough...the gun owners I know that carry have stated repeatedly...when confronted with one of these situations, the first thought is "I have aconcealed weapon on me or in my car, therefore I cannot respond to the situation".
RESPONSIBLE gun ownership people!
It's what I've been taught sind I got to fire a 410 when I was a wee lad.
Just because we have them does not necessitate our using them!

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So back to my point about responsible gun ownership. Apparently it isn't possible in your world.

What planet do you live on? Not every legal gun owner is responsible. Look at Akarunaway. He just said he carries his legal gun illegally (and that I cant spell, which I agree with ) What IS possible in my world are unnecessary accidents/deaths with legal guns.

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Weapons training is still a part of recruit training last I heard. (except maybe the Air Farce )

I think they still do that.. even in the Air Farce....

I qualified Expert by the way.. but I had been shooting since I was 5 or so with Grandfather.. and hunting since I was 12

[Andy9o8 2]

Nice write-up, Scott. Quick question on a side-issue: why The Washington Times, given that that audience - its readership - is pretty conservative? In other words, by using that particular publication, aren't you more or less preaching to a choir of people who already agree with you? And staunch anti-gun advocates probably never will. You communicate well, so wouldn't it be a good idea to reach out to, and educate, the large segment of the population that's on the fence - and still open-minded - about the issue, by publishing in a paper that reaches out to a wider cross-section of the population? Just a thought.

(P.S. - If you do try to expand your audience, don't submit the same piece to other publications, as the WT will fight you over whether they, or you, own the copyright to it, and they have more money to throw at lawyers (not that there's anything wrong with that ) than you do. Do another piece.)

[normiss 798]

Maybe, maybe not.

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Just because we have them does not necessitate our using them!

Over 10,000+ Americans die every year due to the use of some sort of firearm in many different circumstances. Don't fool yourself, people use them to kill other people. That is their purpose. To kill.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[Andy9o8 2]

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Learn how to spell asshole

I'm pretty sure it's "A-S-S-H-O-L-E".



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