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QuoteQuotePersonally, I howl over violations of any of the ten amendments in the bill of rights... and then try to do something about it. I think the second amendment is probably the most important, because it gives us the means to enforce the other nine rather than rely on the graciousness of the government to allow us to keep our rights.
Do you have in mind any specific historical situations, particularly post Civil War, in which the exercise of the 2nd Amendment by non-uniformed civilians was used to enable execution of the other original nine or some of the more contentious later ones, e.g., voting rights?
None are popping into my mind … but that’s far from implying they don’t exist … hence the question.
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The Battle of Athens comes to mind. There's also been instances where the KKK were fought off by the black community - one of the original reasons for gun control laws was to prevent them from getting guns.
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rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteNon-enumerated. Would you give me a few examples so I am sure where you are coming from?
No
Would you want the constitution to list all "god given rights" - just to be safe? That would, in practice, mean all our rights are given by the government. So this is a terrible and lazy way to go and it's exactly the issue that Nightengale noted that the populace doesn't realize our rights are inherent, and not government granted.
Herein lies the rub. You think of some, somebody else thinks of some and you either have a list bigger than can be managed or someone feelting they are getting screwed.
So, how is the "list" definded?
(I am not ignoring or minimizing your point as I do agree, again, to a point)
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rushmc 23
Worse yet,
Who, gets to define it??
And then add you line of "God Given" rights. I though God and goverment were to be sepreate?
Who, gets to define it??
And then add you line of "God Given" rights. I though God and goverment were to be sepreate?
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rehmwa 2
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"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
and this very statement defines where activists judges are trampling all over the Constitution along with a willing and complicit congress
to answer post 294 by replying to this one.
the judges and congress, due to people moving to a socialist-sympathetic mindset, have passed beyond the law and need to be reeled in. They read this as the Feds 'granted' the ability to 'give' and 'take' away rights to the states here. They are in violation of the intent of what was supposed to be a clarification statement, not a granting of power statement. The founders should not have included the statement "to the States" and should have left it as "to the people" only.
The concept that the government owns everything - resources, the populace, the rights of the people - is what's eroding the country. It's in direct conflict with our foundations. If the country wants to go that way, we need to explicitly decide that. But this insidious and ignored set of baby steps constantly in that direction will tear us apart. (IMO - I don't want to go in that direction)
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rehmwa 2
QuoteWorse yet,
Who, gets to define it??
And then add you line of "God Given" rights. I though God and goverment were to be sepreate?
1 - the people
2 - I quoted "god given" from the founders, as an agnostic you can see the irony I'm feeling right now
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
rushmc 23
QuoteQuote
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
and this very statement defines where activists judges are trampling all over the Constitution along with a willing and complicit congress
to answer post 294 by replying to this one.
the judges and congress, due to people moving to a socialist-sympathetic mindset, have passed beyond the law and need to be reeled in. They read this as the Feds 'granted' the ability to 'give' and 'take' away rights to the states here. They are in violation of the intent of what was supposed to be a clarification statement, not a granting of power statement. The founders should not have included the statement "to the States" and should have left it as "to the people" only.
The concept that the government owns everything - resources, the populace, the rights of the people - is what's eroding the country.agree It's in direct conflict with our foundations.agree If the country wants to go that way, we need to explicitly decide that. But this insidious and ignored set of baby steps constantly in that direction will tear us apart. and what portion of government is the most problem IYO? (IMO - I don't want to go in that direction)
Nor do I
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteWorse yet,
Who, gets to define it??
And then add you line of "God Given" rights. I though God and goverment were to be sepreate?
1 - the peopleThe only way this will work is if the people at the State level are the "people" IMO
2 - I quoted "god given" from the founders, as an agnostic you can see the irony I'm feeling right now I understand![[:/]](//www.dropzone.com/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png "[:/]")
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"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rehmwa 2
Quoteand what portion of government is the most problem IYO?
a combination of a narissistic and uninformed populace with politicians that are the same
(note that many of the 'new age' people claim to have principles and standards, and they are proud that they are directly in conflict with traditional values - however, most of the these principles are self serving and based on self gratification. Real principles tended to be based on self sacrifice and service - not any more.
Frankly, people are smarter today, but it doesn't result in a better society, just a bunch of people REALLY good at rationalization.
So I blame normal animal nature. The more we advance on an global level, the more we regress on an individual level.)
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
No
Would you want the constitution to list all "god given rights" - just to be safe? That would, in practice, mean all our rights are given by the government. So this is a terrible and lazy way to go and it's exactly the issue that Nightengale noted that the populace doesn't realize our rights are inherent, and not government granted.
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
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