rushmc 23
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kallend 2,026
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If you, Douva, have ever applied for a CCW permit you have already acknowledged that concealed carry is not a right. Rights do not need permits for their exercise.
Bull shit. it mearly means he acted under the law (constututional or not) that exists under which he has to operate.
Nice try chum thrower
If you REALLY believe that, challenge the Iowa CCW law on Constitutional grounds. Put your money and your freedom where your mouth is.
Don't you think it odd that if CCW in colleges is such a great idea that it is prohibited at the US military academies?
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rushmc 23
QuoteQuote.
If you, Douva, have ever applied for a CCW permit you have already acknowledged that concealed carry is not a right. Rights do not need permits for their exercise.
Bull shit. it mearly means he acted under the law (constututional or not) that exists under which he has to operate.
Nice try chum thrower
If you REALLY believe that, challenge the Iowa CCW law on Constitutional grounds. Put your money and your freedom where your mouth is.I do
Don't you think it odd that if CCW in colleges is such a great idea that it is prohibited at the US military academies?
No, In general I think it wrong. Military Academies? I dont know how they fit into the mix
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rushmc 23
QuoteQuote.
If you, Douva, have ever applied for a CCW permit you have already acknowledged that concealed carry is not a right. Rights do not need permits for their exercise.
Bull shit. it mearly means he acted under the law (constututional or not) that exists under which he has to operate.
Nice try chum thrower
If you REALLY believe that, challenge the Iowa CCW law on Constitutional grounds. Put your money and your freedom where your mouth is.
Don't you think it odd that if CCW in colleges is such a great idea that it is prohibited at the US military academies?
I know I am a little slow but, now that I figuring you out you are not near as infuriating. You are just funny
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
kallend 2,026
QuoteQuoteQuote.
If you, Douva, have ever applied for a CCW permit you have already acknowledged that concealed carry is not a right. Rights do not need permits for their exercise.
Bull shit. it mearly means he acted under the law (constututional or not) that exists under which he has to operate.
Nice try chum thrower
If you REALLY believe that, challenge the Iowa CCW law on Constitutional grounds. Put your money and your freedom where your mouth is.I do
Don't you think it odd that if CCW in colleges is such a great idea that it is prohibited at the US military academies?
No, In general I think it wrong. Military Academies? I dont know how they fit into the mix
They are degree granting, accredited institutions of higher learning. Aka colleges.
If cadets and midshipmen at our military academies can't carry firearms except at the range, why do you think it OK at Podunk U.?
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote.
If you, Douva, have ever applied for a CCW permit you have already acknowledged that concealed carry is not a right. Rights do not need permits for their exercise.
Bull shit. it mearly means he acted under the law (constututional or not) that exists under which he has to operate.
Nice try chum thrower
If you REALLY believe that, challenge the Iowa CCW law on Constitutional grounds. Put your money and your freedom where your mouth is.I do
Don't you think it odd that if CCW in colleges is such a great idea that it is prohibited at the US military academies?
No, In general I think it wrong. Military Academies? I dont know how they fit into the mix
They are degree granting, accredited institutions of higher learning. Aka colleges.
If cadets and midshipmen at our military academies can't carry firearms except at the range, why do you think it OK at Podunk U.?
I have opinions but I will not answer that at this time. Not really the point of the thread but then, hyjacking is what you do best
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
juanesky 0
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Stop whining about your rights.
I'm whining about my rights because the belief that rights should not be denied without just cause is the foundation of a free nation.
Again, where is it written that you have a right to take a concealed weapon into a public school?
Kallend, between the two of us, you're the only one making a Constitutional argument. I'm arguing my case based on the facts of the issue.
There are countless rights not expressly guaranteed (notice that I said "guaranteed," not "granted") by the United States Constitution. The absence of a Constitutional guarantee, in and of itself, is not justification for a state legislature or other governing body to deny people a certain right.
If your only remaining argument in opposition of allowing concealed carry on college campuses is that it's not written anywhere that people have the right to carry concealed handguns on college campuses, I believe this discussion has come to an end.
If a state legislature passes a law and the Supreme Court has not overruled it on Constitutional grounds, it seems to me that it hasn't violated any imagined right that you may think you have.
Then you should be ok with the death penalty. Otherwise you just put your foot somewhere very uncomfortable. A few of us are used to see you do that before."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon
mnealtx 0
QuoteQuoteAre you saying that rights that are conditional are not rights at all?
If you have to ask the government for permission to do something and the government can refuse that permission, then clearly it is not a right.
So, since you have to ask the government for permits to hold political rallies and the like, free speech is not a right either.
Mike
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kallend 2,026
QuoteQuoteQuoteAre you saying that rights that are conditional are not rights at all?
If you have to ask the government for permission to do something and the government can refuse that permission, then clearly it is not a right.
So, since you have to ask the government for permits to hold political rallies and the like, free speech is not a right either.
I think you've answered you own question. The moment you need government permission to do something, clearly it is not a right.
However, saying you can't hold a rally in a specific place is not the same as saying you can't hold a rally.
Does the first amendment guarantee your right to hold a rally in my house? On the White House lawn? I think not.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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mnealtx 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAre you saying that rights that are conditional are not rights at all?
If you have to ask the government for permission to do something and the government can refuse that permission, then clearly it is not a right.
So, since you have to ask the government for permits to hold political rallies and the like, free speech is not a right either.
I think you've answered you own question. The moment you need government permission to do something, clearly it is not a right.
However, saying you can't hold a rally in a specific place is not the same as saying you can't hold a rally.
Does the first amendment guarantee your right to hold a rally in my house? On the White House lawn? I think not.
I don't disagree with your point - but I believe you're arguing a deliberately NARROW point in order to 'win' the debate.
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI guess you're not familiar with the concept of conditional rights.
You should google it.
Really.
You should READ it.
Really.
Read what? The concept of conditional rights?
That's right up there with "I know you are, but what am I?"
Try reading it and comprehending it.
What "it" are you talking about?
kallend 2,026
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAre you saying that rights that are conditional are not rights at all?
If you have to ask the government for permission to do something and the government can refuse that permission, then clearly it is not a right.
So, since you have to ask the government for permits to hold political rallies and the like, free speech is not a right either.
I think you've answered you own question. The moment you need government permission to do something, clearly it is not a right.
However, saying you can't hold a rally in a specific place is not the same as saying you can't hold a rally.
Does the first amendment guarantee your right to hold a rally in my house? On the White House lawn? I think not.
I don't disagree with your point - but I believe you're arguing a deliberately NARROW point in order to 'win' the debate.
But the point being argued IS narrow. Does the right to bear arms (which I don't dispute) confer the right to carry a concealed weapon in any place of your choosing? Apparently it does not, since state restrictions on CCW have not been thrown out by the courts.
Everyone who has applied for a CCW permit has acknowledged implicitly that CCW is not a right but a privilege, like driving. And just like the state can set traffic laws, so it can set restrictions on where the CCW privilege can be exercised.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
mnealtx 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAre you saying that rights that are conditional are not rights at all?
If you have to ask the government for permission to do something and the government can refuse that permission, then clearly it is not a right.
So, since you have to ask the government for permits to hold political rallies and the like, free speech is not a right either.
I think you've answered you own question. The moment you need government permission to do something, clearly it is not a right.
However, saying you can't hold a rally in a specific place is not the same as saying you can't hold a rally.
Does the first amendment guarantee your right to hold a rally in my house? On the White House lawn? I think not.
I don't disagree with your point - but I believe you're arguing a deliberately NARROW point in order to 'win' the debate.
But the point being argued IS narrow. Does the right to bear arms (which I don't dispute) confer the right to carry a concealed weapon in any place of your choosing? Apparently it does not, since state restrictions on CCW have not been thrown out by the courts.
Everyone who has applied for a CCW permit has acknowledged implicitly that CCW is not a right but a privilege, like driving. And just like the state can set traffic laws, so it can set restrictions on where the CCW privilege can be exercised.
Agreed - but exclusive of State or Federal law prohibiting it, non-private colleges (and especially State colleges) do not (in my opinion) have the right to restrict the CCW holder, as they are either an organ of the State, the State owns the facilities, or both. Private colleges, just like private homes/businesses, have the right to restrict whatever they please.
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
kallend 2,026
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But the point being argued IS narrow. Does the right to bear arms (which I don't dispute) confer the right to carry a concealed weapon in any place of your choosing? Apparently it does not, since state restrictions on CCW have not been thrown out by the courts.
Everyone who has applied for a CCW permit has acknowledged implicitly that CCW is not a right but a privilege, like driving. And just like the state can set traffic laws, so it can set restrictions on where the CCW privilege can be exercised.
Agreed - but exclusive of State or Federal law prohibiting it, non-private colleges (and especially State colleges) do not (in my opinion) have the right to restrict the CCW holder, as they are either an organ of the State, the State owns the facilities, or both. Private colleges, just like private homes/businesses, have the right to restrict whatever they please.
OK, my understanding (and I haven't researched this to any significant extent) is that the public college CCW restrictions come from the states themselves, rather than being locally imposed by the colleges.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
mnealtx 0
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But the point being argued IS narrow. Does the right to bear arms (which I don't dispute) confer the right to carry a concealed weapon in any place of your choosing? Apparently it does not, since state restrictions on CCW have not been thrown out by the courts.
Everyone who has applied for a CCW permit has acknowledged implicitly that CCW is not a right but a privilege, like driving. And just like the state can set traffic laws, so it can set restrictions on where the CCW privilege can be exercised.
Agreed - but exclusive of State or Federal law prohibiting it, non-private colleges (and especially State colleges) do not (in my opinion) have the right to restrict the CCW holder, as they are either an organ of the State, the State owns the facilities, or both. Private colleges, just like private homes/businesses, have the right to restrict whatever they please.
OK, my understanding (and I haven't researched this to any significant extent) is that the public college CCW restrictions come from the states themselves, rather than being locally imposed by the colleges.
I'm unsure - different states have different laws concerning it, I know that much. I believe there was mention made (either up-thread or in a different one) about a CCW restriction only applying to primary (K-12) schools in a particular state, but I don't recall exactly so I don't want to claim it as fact.
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
kallend 2,026
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote.
If you, Douva, have ever applied for a CCW permit you have already acknowledged that concealed carry is not a right. Rights do not need permits for their exercise.
Bull shit. it mearly means he acted under the law (constututional or not) that exists under which he has to operate.
Nice try chum thrower
If you REALLY believe that, challenge the Iowa CCW law on Constitutional grounds. Put your money and your freedom where your mouth is.I do
Don't you think it odd that if CCW in colleges is such a great idea that it is prohibited at the US military academies?
No, In general I think it wrong. Military Academies? I dont know how they fit into the mix
They are degree granting, accredited institutions of higher learning. Aka colleges.
If cadets and midshipmen at our military academies can't carry firearms except at the range, why do you think it OK at Podunk U.?
I have opinions but I will not answer that at this time. Not really the point of the thread but then, hyjacking is what you do best
CCW at colleges and universities is not the point of this thread?
Are you back in the looking-glass world again?
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
rushmc 23
CCW at colleges and universities is not the point of this thread?
Are you back in the looking-glass world again?
Oops
maybe
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
OK, then by your own reasoning, prisoners of war, in GITMO do not have rights under our law. Why, because the gov said they didnt.
You are a two headed monster throwing bait out to see what bites. Nice
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
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