$4M Bullying Judgment

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Personally, I think they should've brought criminal charges against the bully, then a civil suit against his family, to take everything they have.

But if a $4M verdict against the school makes the District step up and stop these sorts of assaults, good.

Eventually people are going to wake up and see that either you stop the bullies or you are going to have another Columbine on your hands.

It takes all my restraint to not say "The Bullies at Columbine got what they deserved..."

The only reason some kids do not kill their bullies (some of whom arguably deserve to be killed) is that the kids have families and friends that support them and love them.


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A $4 Million jury award against a private school for allegedly turning a blind eye to students bullying seems to have rekindled an effort to toughen state law.

Actually, I would think that a $4 million jury award is just as effective.

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The only reason some kids do not kill their bullies (some of whom arguably deserve to be killed) is that the kids have families and friends that support them and love them.

No one deserves to be killed at that age. They're not adults. Blame the parents if you want. It takes at least two people to create a bully environment; the bully and the enabler. The posted example is a bit extreme, but bullyism is a fact of life everyone has to deal with sooner or later. Extremism usually requires police, but mostly, you have to face up to them or you will be a wus for the rest of your life. Lot of lifetime crossroads occur during childhood; this is one of them.

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It takes at least two people to create a bully environment; the bully and the enabler

That girl just asked to be raped with that mini skirt on... yeah....

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It takes at least two people to create a bully environment; the bully and the enabler.

Do you have children? What would you do if your child was on either end of this parasitic relationship?

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A $4 Million jury award against a private school for allegedly turning a blind eye to students bullying seems to have rekindled an effort to toughen state law.

Actually, I would think that a $4 million jury award is just as effective.

I have no reason to believe laws against "bullying" will be enforced any more than the existing laws against assault and battery. Since that's the case the threat of lawsuits against the schools may do more to correct the problem.

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It takes at least two people to create a bully environment; the bully and the enabler

That girl just asked to be raped with that mini skirt on... yeah....

I think they meant that the parents or school was the enabler, not the victim.

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Nanook correctly points out that people who don't stand up tend to get picked on by other bullies, and ultimately by everyone else in school. Showing any amount of fight is better. Relying on the administration (iow, tattling) also tends to fail to garner respect.

The game changes when the bully starts using weapons, but for the situation most of of us, where there is a lot of taunting and shoving, a upper cut back is a healthy response.

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Nanook correctly points out that people who don't stand up tend to get picked on by other bullies, and ultimately by everyone else in school. Showing any amount of fight is better.

Showing any amount of fight often gets you detention, in-school suspension, suspension, or a paddling.

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The game changes when the bully starts using weapons, but for the situation most of of us, where there is a lot of taunting and shoving, a upper cut back is a healthy response.

Unless you're smaller than the bully (elementary schools involve children with up to a seven year spread in their ages and high-school five) or there's more than one.

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Showing any amount of fight often gets you detention, in-school suspension, suspension, or a paddling.
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Unless you're smaller than the bully (elementary schools involve children with up to a seven year spread in their ages and high-school five) or there's more than one.

I was outweighed substantially, but bullies, like all predators, prefer victims that don't resist. Show any sort of fight and they move on.

I got jumped in the 2nd grade (very bizarre) and in the 7th. In neither case did I suffer from responding, and not doing so would have been much worse. It may be harder now for kids to learn the lessons of the world, in the era of zero intelligence in the schools, but the world hasn't gotten any softer.

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Showing any amount of fight often gets you detention, in-school suspension, suspension, or a paddling.
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Unless you're smaller than the bully (elementary schools involve children with up to a seven year spread in their ages and high-school five) or there's more than one.

I was outweighed substantially, but bullies, like all predators, prefer victims that don't resist. Show any sort of fight and they move on.

I got jumped in the 2nd grade (very bizarre) and in the 7th. In neither case did I suffer from responding, and not doing so would have been much worse. It may be harder now for kids to learn the lessons of the world, in the era of zero intelligence in the schools, but the world hasn't gotten any softer.

When my son, was in 6th. grade, he was having trouble with a bully. One day, in gym class, my son wheeled-around and put a solid right on that kid's nose, breaking his nose. Yup! My son got detention... one Saturday for 4-hrs. The bully, got suspended for a week (previous behavior had a lot to do with the 'sentence)The principal of his school, told me (quietly) that she was proud of my son for standing-up to a bully. I was pretty proud of him too!


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It takes at least two people to create a bully environment; the bully and the enabler

That girl just asked to be raped with that mini skirt on... yeah....

Err. . . Ummm. . .What? The article talked about a broken arm. Rape and bullying are two completely different worlds altogether.

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It takes at least two people to create a bully environment; the bully and the enabler.

Do you have children? What would you do if your child was on either end of this parasitic relationship?

Yes I do. She is going to learn that suspension from school is not a permanent or debilitating action. What's going to happen? This is going on her "permanent record"?

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It takes at least two people to create a bully environment; the bully and the enabler.

Do you have children? What would you do if your child was on either end of this parasitic relationship?

Yes I do. She is going to learn that suspension from school is not a permanent or debilitating action. What's going to happen? This is going on her "permanent record"?

If your kid was the bully, I hope the victim's family takes you for all your family's money and possessions in court.

The kid in this story has permanent nerve damage to his arm. He's limited because of the assault he endured.

If your kid was the victim, I fear for the consequences of the lukewarm response you purport you'll give to them reporting being assaulted. You'd potentially be raising the next Eric Harris or Dylan Kliebold.

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My son got detention... one Saturday for 4-hrs. The bully, got suspended for a week (previous behavior had a lot to do with the 'sentence)The principal of his school, told me (quietly) that she was proud of my son for standing-up to a bully. I was pretty proud of him too!

Which clearly shows that your son should not have been punished at all. If he had been an adult, it would have been acknowledged as legitimate self-defense. By his comment to you, the principal was showing that he knew your son was genuinely defending himself. But by making that comment quietly and still punishing your boy, instead of having the guts to shout it from the rooftop and let your son off the hook, the principal was being a coward.

This is why, even though I went to a good school district, I couldn't stand most of the "educators" who ran our asylum; and 30 years later, I frankly can't stand most of the buttholes who run my own kids' high school, either: because their fantasy-world mentality makes me want to puke. During WWII, the dogfaces had a word for this kind of crap: chickenshit.

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If your kid was the bully, I hope the victim's family takes you for all your family's money and possessions in court

Well, I can do nothing but hope my child will learn my "put a friendly hand forward" philosophy. I could only hope that she won't take the easy route towards respect.

***If your kid was the victim, I fear for the consequences of the lukewarm response you purport you'll give to them reporting being assaulted. You'd potentially be raising the next Eric Harris or Dylan Kliebold.

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My response would have to be "lukewarm". I would have to foster (enable?) an anti-social atmosphere for my kid. I would have to notice her not having different friends show up at my home or her not staying overnight at some girlfriends' houses. I would also have to miss a lot of red flags that would point out that I have a creepy child like the two Columbine kids you have mentioned. I would have to not ask questions.

I'm not trying to lighten the severity of that article. I am addressing bullies in general.

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as an adult, the son would have been guilty of battery... the previous actions would not have justified his coming up to the other kid in gym class and whacking him on the nose unless he was about to be harmed himself.

that said, i agree completely with what the kid did and regardless of what the school did, it's great he stuck up for himself.

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My son got detention... one Saturday for 4-hrs. The bully, got suspended for a week (previous behavior had a lot to do with the 'sentence)The principal of his school, told me (quietly) that she was proud of my son for standing-up to a bully. I was pretty proud of him too!

Which clearly shows that your son should not have been punished at all. If he had been an adult, it would have been acknowledged as legitimate self-defense. By his comment to you, the principal was showing that he knew your son was genuinely defending himself. But by making that comment quietly and still punishing your boy, instead of having the guts to shout it from the rooftop and let your son off the hook, the principal was being a coward.

This is why, even though I went to a good school district, I couldn't stand most of the "educators" who ran our asylum; and 30 years later, I frankly can't stand most of the buttholes who run my own kids' high school, either: because their fantasy-world mentality makes me want to puke. During WWII, the dogfaces had a word for this kind of crap: chickenshit.

I kinda' felt that way to but, the school has it's rules! My son couldn't understand that either, at the time. He told me later; "What's four hours?" Hell, I got bullied too and knocked the kid on his sorry little ass. I didn't catch any flack because it was off school grounds. I agree with you, big-time, about our schools today! 'Everyone's a winner!' 'Everyone's special!' School systems are living in a bubble. There are still, bullies, 'A'-students and 'D' students. Kids are kids for cryin' out loud!!! Kids have feelings but, spoon-feeding them bull-shit, won't help them.


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One problem is the concept that bullying can and should be eliminated. Bullying is a normal part of the social structure; it exists in the work place, the rec centre, the neighbourhood meetings, yes even the drop zone.
The goal of the school should be to impede bullying and prevent it from becoming physical as well as teaching kids how to deal with it; the concept of our kids growing up in a world absent of intimidation is nonsense. If we could produce such an environment kids leaving a school would be unprepared for the rest of the world.
Suing the school board because there is a bully at school is like suing them because there are drugs in the school (or suing the DZ because there was an idiot on my load).
This is why 'tag' is a forbidden activity at some schools now, others have a ban on physical contact. The cure to one problem will cause many more serious problems in the long run as our schools become less and less functional as social organs of our society.

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I agree with you! I've experienced 'bullying' in all facets of life, myself. I don't feel, it is the school's responsibility to 'raise' our kids... that is up to the parents! Schools are there to give kids the education and 'tools' to make it in the world as an adult. Sueing a school for having bullies is total nonsense. Parents should be aware of their kid's activities and behavior. Teachers are just that... teachers! Plain and simple. Parents need to take more interest in their kids. Not just soccer games or cheerleading but, how they inter-act with other kids. I've seen too many kids who actually bully their parents and get away with it! Now days, kids get 'time outs' for mis-behavior. I used to get an ass whuppin'. I am not condoning corporal punishment because, that, too often involves an increase in adreniline and anger. There's no room for it. If, a perent sees that their kid is a bully, get the kid some help. Just as they would if he had the flu. Leave the schools out of it. They have enough to do.


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Agreed. It is our job to raise our kids. I dealt with bullies as a kid and I suspect my kids will too. I tell my kids that if someone hits you you hit them back twice as hard. That is the only language a bully understands. My oldest son told me that he is not allowed to hit back at school. I explained to him that if a bully hits you and you don't hit back he will keep doing it. I also told him that he might get in trouble at school and not at home. And I would have something to say to the school if he got in trouble for defending himself.

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It takes at least two people to create a bully environment; the bully and the enabler.

Precisely. Too many teachers identify with the in crowd and themselves loath the weird kid

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Yessir! I told my boys the same thing. If, they get-up... knock 'em down till they realize it's just not worth getting up. Bullies just go into adulthood as bullies. Unless, someone stands-up to them. It's a damned shame but, that's the way it's been for a loong time. I really don't agree with school systems who dole-out the same punishment to the bully and the 'victim'. That just teaches the victim that he's going to catch hell if he defends himself. I told my boys what you told yours. The school might punish them but I won't... as long as they are in the right.


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My son was in martial arts by 3 years old. Not necesarilly so he could kick the bullies ass but so he knows he can and will not be intimidated into stupid altercations. Or have to walk through the school day being afraid.
Give them the tools they need to live in this society.

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[masterrig 1]

You bet! I hope, your son never has to use his skills in that manner but, he's prepared! Kids shouldn't have to grow-up like that but, it's a fact of life. My dad, taught me how to defend myself as a kid. I had one or two bullies who told me to meet them at such and such place after school. The funny part was... I showed-up!


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