SpeedRacer 1 #76 October 31, 2007 End the war on drugs, end the high $ criminal industry selling them. If I were more of a conspiracy-theorist type, I would wonder if it is the wealthy drug lords that are passing $ to politicians to make sure that drugs remain illegal. Illegality keeps the prices high & makes drug dealing so profitable. If pot smokers could grow it in their own backyard, there basically would not be a market for it at all. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #77 October 31, 2007 Quote If pot smokers could grow it in their own backyard, there basically would not be a market for it at all. I think you're overestimating the ambition level of most pot smokers. I mean, it's legal to brew beer at home and yet most people buy it elsewhere; I doubt that pot would be any different. But yeah, if the only choice is growing it legally at home or buying it illegally elsewhere, then a lot of pot smokers might take to gardening. It still just boggles my mind that marijuana is illegal while alcohol is legal. Not sure about legalizing other drugs, but weed? Sheesh. Not that it's good for you or anything, but (all things considered) it's certainly no worse than booze. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Esquilax 0 #78 October 31, 2007 Quote It still just boggles my mind that marijuana is illegal while alcohol is legal. Not sure about legalizing other drugs, but weed? Sheesh. Not that it's good for you or anything, but (all things considered) it's certainly no worse than booze. I tend to agree with you, but breaking the law is not the way to change the law. Engage the process, talk to representatives. Once you're busted and a guest of the criminal law system, your credibility drops. It's best to try to legalize it before openly flaunting it. I once heard someone say "Insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly but expecting different results..." If you get busted, it's insane to think that there aren't going to be repercussions...Ostriches and rheas are the only birds that urinate and defecate separately. They read Parachutist while doing #2. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #79 October 31, 2007 Quote I tend to agree with you, but breaking the law is not the way to change the law. Engage the process, talk to representatives. Once you're busted and a guest of the criminal law system, your credibility drops. Ghandi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Esquilax 0 #80 October 31, 2007 QuoteQuote I tend to agree with you, but breaking the law is not the way to change the law. Engage the process, talk to representatives. Once you're busted and a guest of the criminal law system, your credibility drops. Ghandi The similarities are not there. This is not oppression on the scale of India v. the UK...It's someone's desire to get fucked up. Access to a plant is not equivalent to what Ghandi fought for, no matter how much you love your cannabis...Ostriches and rheas are the only birds that urinate and defecate separately. They read Parachutist while doing #2. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #81 October 31, 2007 Quote Quote It still just boggles my mind that marijuana is illegal while alcohol is legal. Not sure about legalizing other drugs, but weed? Sheesh. Not that it's good for you or anything, but (all things considered) it's certainly no worse than booze. I tend to agree with you, but breaking the law is not the way to change the law. Engage the process, talk to representatives. Once you're busted and a guest of the criminal law system, your credibility drops. It's best to try to legalize it before openly flaunting it. I once heard someone say "Insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly but expecting different results..." If you get busted, it's insane to think that there aren't going to be repercussions... OK, but I don't even smoke weed, so there's no need for me to grow it. But I still think it should be legalized. After all, it is MY taxpayer dollars that are being wasted to support this useless & actually counter-productive exercise. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #82 October 31, 2007 Quote I think you're overestimating the ambition level of most pot smokers. I mean, it's legal to brew beer at home and yet most people buy it elsewhere; I doubt that pot would be any different. Apples and oranges really. Tending to a few plants does not seem as time consuming as home brewing. I kept a few herb plants (basil, oregano..etc) and it was no effort at all. Tried making wine and I would never go to the trouble again. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #83 October 31, 2007 Speaking of this - anyone remember Fred Strunk? Seemed like a nice guy when I was jumping with him. http://lateatnightmusings.blogspot.com/2006/05/guilty-plea-in-tennessee-underground.html# http://lateatnightmusings.blogspot.com/2006/02/huge-marijuana-bust-in-tennessee.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #84 October 31, 2007 Quote. . . but breaking the law is not the way to change the law. Agreed. Quote"Insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly but expecting different results..." Funny, I've heard that a few times, but in a different context. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n23x 0 #85 October 31, 2007 Meh, but when you hold a professional job, isn't it really just easier to drop a fiddy then do that extra work? See, doobers have a drug in them called "fuck it". As in fuck it, I don't want to be tom green thumb, I want to turn my brain off so I can play mario kart for an hour, eat some dinner, and then sleep some good sleep. So I've been told! Growing is for when you're older, have more time on your hands, and wear birkenstocks and knee-high knit wool socks all day. .jim "Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #86 October 31, 2007 Quote>All convictions tie to self-gratification. No exceptions. As people's convictions have led them to die painful and bloody deaths, that's not really true unless you redefine "self-gratification" as "anything you choose to do." >Even Mother Theresa, who did what she did out of conviction, did >it because she saw it as the right thing to do, and it made HER feel good >to do the right thing. I can't speak for her, but I have done things that made me feel bad because I thought they were the right thing to do. If you feel good about dying for a purpose, then it is just another form of self-gratification. If a person goes into something because they think it is the right thing to do, then the motivation is self-centered, regardless of whether it helps someone else or not. What was it you did that made you feel bad? Was it really the behavior of choice that was bad, or just an ancillary event or observation. For instance, I've killed animals that were in pain and going to die shortly. It was the right thing to do, and I felt good to have saved them from suffering. There were some bad feelings, but it was only ancillary in nature (seeing guts pop out of body cavity or looking into those big brown eyes just before the act of mercy). Mother T would not have done the things she did, IMO, if it made her feel bad to do so. Everything we do as a choice is based on internal motivation." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #87 October 31, 2007 the story leads you to believe he was simply charged with theft of electric service...is that all he pleaded out to??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #88 October 31, 2007 So, you have a VERY specific definition of altruism in your head. By that def, you are correct, there's no such thing. But it also means the word is completely useless as a communication tool. So no need to extend a semantics discussion here. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #89 October 31, 2007 QuoteProsecutors offered Fred Strunk a deal for pleading guilty to charges of growing marijuana, money laundering and theft. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #90 October 31, 2007 QuoteSo, you have a VERY specific definition of altruism in your head. By that def, you are correct, there's no such thing. But it also means the word is completely useless as a communication tool. So no need to extend a semantics discussion here. You bail regularly on touchy topics in the name of avoiding semantics. Most words do have very specific meanings, even if many have more than one specific meaning. The definition for altruism is very specific. I do recognize that like Webster's, I prefer very specific meanings. Some would call it a flaw, but I think it is the key to clear communications as well as precise and clear thinking. It does not mean I won't acknowledge what you mean when you use it, I just need to know what that is so I understand what you are saying. I'd like to hear what it means to you." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #91 October 31, 2007 QuoteYou bail regularly on touchy topics in the name of avoiding semantics. Sure do - because they are pointless and pissy threads at that point and about as boring as can be. They add less and less to "clear communications, precision and clarity" and more of just a contest of wills as each understands the other's perspective but refuses to acknowledge it until they 'win'. But I don't think this tangent qualifies as 'touchy'. I acknowledge and agree with your concept, but consider the term altruism to also have value in acknowledging types of (self gratifying) yet giving behavior. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #92 October 31, 2007 QuoteI do recognize that like Webster's, I prefer very specific meanings. Self-gratification is defined as the act of pleasing oneself or of satisfying one's conscious impulse toward something that promises enjoyment or satisfaction in its attainment according to Merriam-Webster. Altruism is defined as unselfish regard for or devotion to the welfare of others or behavior by an animal that is not beneficial to or may be harmful to itself but that benefits others of its species according to Merriam-Webster."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #93 October 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteSo, you have a VERY specific definition of altruism in your head. By that def, you are correct, there's no such thing. But it also means the word is completely useless as a communication tool. So no need to extend a semantics discussion here. You bail regularly on touchy topics in the name of avoiding semantics. Most words do have very specific meanings, even if many have more than one specific meaning. The definition for altruism is very specific. The problem that seems to regularly crop up around here, is people taking a word or concept (that makes perfect sense in the context it is being used) and applying an alternate (sometimes extremist) definition that is irrelevant to that context. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #94 October 31, 2007 Quote Quote Meh, but when you hold a professional job, isn't it really just easier to drop a fiddy then do that extra work? See, doobers have a drug in them called "fuck it". As in fuck it, I don't want to be tom green thumb, I want to turn my brain off so I can play mario kart for an hour, eat some dinner, and then sleep some good sleep. So I've been told! Growing is for when you're older, have more time on your hands, and wear birkenstocks and knee-high knit wool socks all day. I gues I would have to know how hard it is to grow MJ as compared to other plants to answer that. If it is like other plants I would probably just grow my own (if I liked it). My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #95 October 31, 2007 QuoteIf it is like other plants I would probably just grow my own (if I liked it). This is why the "legalize & tax" argument does not work ..."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #96 October 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteIf it is like other plants I would probably just grow my own (if I liked it). This is why the "legalize & tax" argument does not work ... Bullshit. You'd still remove a large revenue from criminal gangs, you'd still free up prison space and police and judicial resources, you'd no longer ruin peoples lives with convictions and you would still gain tax revenues from all the people too lazy to grow their own - ie. almost everybody. Besides, even if you were right and the gov't would collect no revenue from it would that be a legitimate reason to keep it illegal? I don't see it written anywhere that the populace may only partake in those activities which swell the government coffers.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #97 October 31, 2007 Quoteyou'd no longer ruin peoples lives with convictions Now I may be confused because up in Canada nobody gets busted for simple possession, but do people still get criminal records and jail down there for simple possession? My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #98 October 31, 2007 >If you feel good about dying for a purpose, then it is just another >form of self-gratification. If you believe dying for a purpose is self-gratification, then we are talking about two different things, and will never agree (since you use different definitions for words than I do.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #99 October 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteyou'd no longer ruin peoples lives with convictions Now I may be confused because up in Canada nobody gets busted for simple possession, but do people still get criminal records and jail down there for simple possession? While it does happen, it's not nearly a prevalent as some people would have you believe. first time offenders typically get a bunch of community service. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #100 October 31, 2007 QuoteYou'd still remove a large revenue from criminal gangs Any thus remove a large revenue from law enforcement from seisures and budget. Quoteyou'd still free up prison space and police and judicial resources And thus prision guards and police would lose their jobs or budget. Quoteyou'd no longer ruin peoples lives with convictions The political, religious, ... believe these people are ruining their own lives with drugs. Quoteyou would still gain tax revenues from all the people too lazy to grow their own I agree with the statement. However, it can't be proved, it can only be assumed. QuoteBesides, even if you were right and the gov't would collect no revenue from it would that be a legitimate reason to keep it illegal? No. QuoteI don't see it written anywhere that the populace may only partake in those activities which swell the government coffers. You are right but cultural, political, religious, ... agendas dictate what the populace may partake in regardless."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
