jakee 1,489 #126 October 31, 2007 Quote That is an assumption. Pretty much a cast iron assumption from where I'm sitting. Besides, even if I'm wrong it is still not a valid reason to keep cannabis illegal. Quote I don't make anything. Prison guards, officials, and personal (not to mention contractors) make everything. Have you every heard the saying "slash for cash"? Actually no I hadn't. But still, who do you think pays that cash? You do, through taxation. Besides, prison workers don't get to set their own budgets, they get what they're given. Are you saying that, right now, the nation's prisons are not overcrowded? This whole line of argument that you're pursuing here strikes me as utterly bizzare. The prison service benefits from having to house those convicted of pointless non-crimes when they're already overburdened with real criminals?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #127 October 31, 2007 Are you fucking kidding me? Try this out for size... my backpack is overloaded. If I take some items out of my backpack it will be less overloaded and it will be slightly easier to carry. It won't be fucking empty though will it? Please, don't let your vendetta fog your ability to not be an idiot, 'kay.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #128 October 31, 2007 Quote Quote That is an assumption. Pretty much a cast iron assumption from where I'm sitting. Besides, even if I'm wrong it is still not a valid reason to keep cannabis illegal. We will have to agree to disagree. I have only been able to collect enough information to make an assumption not an informed decision. I haven't stated any of the reasons are valid, I've just stated that they are reasons. Quote Quote I don't make anything. Prison guards, officials, and personal (not to mention contractors) make everything. Have you every heard the saying "slash for cash"? Actually no I hadn't. But still, who do you think pays that cash? You do, through taxation. Besides, prison workers don't get to set their own budgets, they get what they're given. Are you saying that, right now, the nation's prisons are not overcrowded? This whole line of argument that you're pursuing here strikes me as utterly bizzare. The prison service benefits from having to house those convicted of pointless non-crimes when they're already overburdened with real criminals? I am not stating it is in the public intresest. I am stating that people who make laws, enforce laws, etc... make money from having more laws and having more people breaking laws."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #129 October 31, 2007 Quote Are you fucking kidding me? Try this out for size... my backpack is overloaded. If I take some items out of my backpack it will be less overloaded and it will be slightly easier to carry. It won't be fucking empty though will it? Please, don't let your vendetta fog your ability to not be an idiot, 'kay. Somebody call a waaaambulance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #130 October 31, 2007 QuoteI am not stating it is in the public intresest. I am stating that people who make laws, enforce laws, etc... make money from having more laws and having more people breaking laws. But that's the thing, the people that you say benefit (prison workers) aren't the ones making the laws! Does the prison workers union lobby congress for a harsher judicial system? I also don't see where on earth you say they benefit. There are more than enough criminals to keep them busy, removing the dopers is simply going to ease the burden slightly.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #131 October 31, 2007 Try this out for size... my backpack is overloaded. If I take some items out of my backpack it will be less overloaded and it will be slightly easier to carry. It won't be fucking empty though will it? The longer you go without answering the more of a fool you're going to look.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #132 October 31, 2007 I have studied and debated this topic ad nausuem. In lieu of rehashing the same arguments I will state that marjiuana is more likely to be rescheduled and decriminalized than legalized. In the mean time ... "I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law." Martin Luther King Jr."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #133 October 31, 2007 QuoteI have studied and debated this topic ad nausuem. In lieu of rehashing the same arguments I will state that marjiuana is more likely to be rescheduled and decriminalized than legalized. In the mean time ... Probably yeah, it's what happened in the UK. But I still don't see how locking up pot users helps the prison service, or how the prison service is going to have any significant influence on narcotics lawmaking.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #134 October 31, 2007 Quote>How many people smoke marijuana as frequently as they smoke cigarettes? Very few; MJ is illegal. >The average smoker probably does not have enough garden space >or time to tend to a pack-a-day habit. I know quite a few people who smoke cigarettes rarely, only when they're out or in bars or whatever. None of them 'grow their own.' It's easier to buy the things. MJ, if legalized, would be no different. The reason people grow it now is not because they like growing things, it's because it's cheaper, easier and safer than buying it from a drug dealer. In lots of places, simple possession of less than an ounce is classified as an infraction (like a parking ticket) and not an enforcement priority (even better than a parking ticket). Growing marijuana (presumably for sale) gets you into asset forfeiture and felony territory. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #135 October 31, 2007 Quote I acknowledge and agree with your concept, but consider the term altruism to also have value in acknowledging types of (self gratifying) yet giving behavior. That's all I was looking for, what it meant to you. But somebody had to go and play the Meriam card; I'm not that sophisticated.BTW, this thread is flying. Can't believe there are 2 pages since I last looked." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #136 October 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIf it is like other plants I would probably just grow my own (if I liked it). This is why the "legalize & tax" argument does not work ... I disagree - it works with people brewing their own beer and making their own wine...it seems logical to believe that it would work with MJ as well. The government will be able to enforce taxes on companies but will not be able to enfoce taxes on people and I do not believe the people that will produce their own will pay taxes. The question is, how many people will purchase from companies and how many people will produce their own? Well, then it becomes home produce. Those who want to grow their own should not pay taxes on it; any more than I should pay taxes on the tomatoes I grow. But, . . . the fact that I don't pay taxes on tomatoes at the grocery store maybe makes that a moot point. But I agree with the home brew comparison. I doubt people who brew their own, and consume it themselves, pay taxes on it; and I doubt the government cares. My guess is most people are too lazy or too busy. If it were legal and mass produced under regulations such as alcohol is; the price would drop like a rock and most would buy mass produced while a relatively few number of MJ-ophiles would produce their own high quality custom blends and artisan type brands." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #137 October 31, 2007 Quote"I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law." Martin Luther King Jr. That is a great quote." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #138 October 31, 2007 Quote But I know smokers, and I know dopers - and the dopers are the ones that are messed up worse. Are they messed up because they are dopers or are they dopers because they are messed up?judyBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #139 October 31, 2007 QuoteQuote"I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law." Martin Luther King Jr. That is a great quote. Yes, yes it is. The public perception of marijuana and marijuana users remains negative and thus the conscience of the community over the injustice of the laws remains unaroused. However, this appears to be changing ..."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
