Illegals

[akarunway 1]

Spawned fron another thread. They can get credit cards, home loans , now this. WTF? http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny--immigrantdrivers1027oct27,0,674004,print.story

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[warpedskydiver 0]

rotten motherfuckers

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That's rediculous. Every second an illgal immigrant is in this country they are breaking the law. How can a criminal have a drivers licensed issued.

I dont get it. I am an immigrant in this country, but my family took the steps and made sacrifices to do it legaly. Why cant these people do the same? And why is there even a debate about them. Afterall.....they are ILLEGAL.

7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer

[AWL71 0]

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That's rediculous. Every second an illgal immigrant is in this country they are breaking the law. How can a criminal have a drivers licensed issued.

I dont get it. I am an immigrant in this country, but my family took the steps and made sacrifices to do it legaly. Why cant these people do the same? And why is there even a debate about them. Afterall.....they are ILLEGAL.

Agreed, Politicians on both sides of the aisle are either unable or unwilling to do anything about it. It baffles me that we are not making more of an effort to secure the border. But all an illegal immigrant has to do is scream abuse and the border patrol agent becomes the criminal. This problem is going to continue to grow and grow.

The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

[mnealtx 0]

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That's rediculous. Every second an illgal immigrant is in this country they are breaking the law. How can a criminal have a drivers licensed issued.

I dont get it. I am an immigrant in this country, but my family took the steps and made sacrifices to do it legaly. Why cant these people do the same? And why is there even a debate about them. Afterall.....they are ILLEGAL.

Not only were (don't know if they still are) they doing this in Cali, but they *were* going to tie voter registration to the DL records (Motor Voter stuff)...can you say "X million instant new voters?" I knew you could!!

Mike
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That's rediculous. Every second an illgal immigrant is in this country they are breaking the law. How can a criminal have a drivers licensed issued.

I dont get it. I am an immigrant in this country, but my family took the steps and made sacrifices to do it legaly. Why cant these people do the same? And why is there even a debate about them. Afterall.....they are ILLEGAL.

Not only were (don't know if they still are) they doing this in Cali, but they *were* going to tie voter registration to the DL records (Motor Voter stuff)...can you say "X million instant new voters?" I knew you could!!

I can, but I sure as hell dont want to. If that was to happen, that would actually damage the Republican party, as the minorities tend to lean more to the Democratic side. Regardless, criminals do not have the same rights as law-abiding citizens, and neither should illegals, since they are criminals. And I sure as heck dont want them anywhere near the voting booths.

7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer

[billvon 2,991]

>Regardless, criminals do not have the same rights as law-abiding
>citizens, and neither should illegals, since they are criminals.

Well, CONVICTED criminals do not have the same rights as law-abiding citizens; neither should illegal aliens so convicted.

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>Regardless, criminals do not have the same rights as law-abiding
>citizens, and neither should illegals, since they are criminals.

Well, CONVICTED criminals do not have the same rights as law-abiding citizens; neither should illegal aliens so convicted.

I stand corrected. You are right...our laws presume people are innocent until proven guilty, and we should follow this tradition to the end.

So a hypothetical solution owuld have people getting a drivers license showing a proof of legal status in this country. Anything suspicious gets them arrested, they go to court, they are found guilty and given the choice to go home. Not agreeing to go home, gets these people sent to camps, similar to the camps we were sending JApanese two during WWII.

Is my view too harsh and inpersonal? Law is never personal.

7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer

[billvon 2,991]

>Anything suspicious gets them arrested, they go to court, they are found
>guilty and given the choice to go home.

Agreed there. (Would add that before trial they are given the option to just go home; saves us some time and money.)

>Not agreeing to go home, gets these people sent to camps, similar to the
>camps we were sending JApanese two during WWII.

Eh, they go to jail like everyone else. But a minimum security jail might match your description.

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>Not agreeing to go home, gets these people sent to camps, similar to the
>camps we were sending JApanese two during WWII.

Eh, they go to jail like everyone else. But a minimum security jail might match your description.

Yeah, that would be a little more humane.

7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer

[kelpdiver 2]

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>Regardless, criminals do not have the same rights as law-abiding
>citizens, and neither should illegals, since they are criminals.

Well, CONVICTED criminals do not have the same rights as law-abiding citizens; neither should illegal aliens so convicted.

someone who obtains a different class drivers license by presenting a valid foreign passport has already proven himself to be an illegal alien, so I don't see the need for a conviction in a trial to establish the criminality.

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>Regardless, criminals do not have the same rights as law-abiding
>citizens, and neither should illegals, since they are criminals.

Well, CONVICTED criminals do not have the same rights as law-abiding citizens; neither should illegal aliens so convicted.

What seems so messed up about this issue is how many cities have adopted ordinances banning police from asking people about their immigration status. There's this whole "Sergeant Schultz" mentality to it all.

[billvon 2,991]

>someone who obtains a different class drivers license by presenting a
>valid foreign passport has already proven himself to be an illegal alien . . .

Well, by that angle, anyone who buys and smokes pot has proven himself to be a criminal. But you still get a trial, because this is the USA.

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>someone who obtains a different class drivers license by presenting a
>valid foreign passport has already proven himself to be an illegal alien . . .

Well, by that angle, anyone who buys and smokes pot has proven himself to be a criminal.

But does law enforcement systematically turn a blind eye to obvious red flags, regarding people smoking pot?

[billvon 2,991]

>But does law enforcement systematically turn a blind eye to obvious
>red flags, regarding people smoking pot?

Yep. I know several cops who 'look the other way' when people smoke pot at drop zones.

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>But does law enforcement systematically turn a blind eye to obvious
>red flags, regarding people smoking pot?

Yep. I know several cops who 'look the other way' when people smoke pot at drop zones.

Wow

That's right up there with like using today's unusually cool temps to prove there's no global warming.

Good show.

[kelpdiver 2]

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>someone who obtains a different class drivers license by presenting a
>valid foreign passport has already proven himself to be an illegal alien . . .

Well, by that angle, anyone who buys and smokes pot has proven himself to be a criminal. But you still get a trial, because this is the USA.

uh, no, those angles are entirely different.

I feel like the analogy cop in this forum.

Hate to see what happens if everyone was given an IQ test, which is analogy driven.

[nathaniel 0]

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Every second an illgal immigrant is in this country they are breaking the law.

Every second an illegal immigrant is in jail they are subtracting instead of contributing to the economy.

At some point you have to choose between barratry and economy.

My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski?

[AWL71 0]

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Every second an illgal immigrant is in this country they are breaking the law.

Every second an illegal immigrant is in jail they are subtracting instead of contributing to the economy.

At some point you have to choose between barratry and economy.

How do they contribute to the economy? They may do menial jobs that no one else does but they take more than they give. They don't pay taxes on the money they make and they leech off the welfare system and clog emergency rooms and never pay their bills. They are a drain on the system. Most are too lazy to learn our language. Turning a blind eye to illegal immigration is not the answer.

The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

[billvon 2,991]

>How do they contribute to the economy? They may do menial jobs that no
>one else does but they take more than they give.

?? They build our houses, pick our food and make very little money for it.

>They don't pay taxes on the money they make . . .

Neither do US citizens that make that much (below the poverty line.)

>and they leech off the welfare system and clog emergency rooms and
>never pay their bills.

Uh, have you ever met one? I've met a few, and none are like that.

>They are a drain on the system. Most are too lazy to learn our language.

Also not true.

>Turning a blind eye to illegal immigration is not the answer.

I agree there. We should be better at preventing illegal aliens from getting into this country, and better at allowing people in who want to come here legally and work.

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>How do they contribute to the economy? They may do menial jobs that no
>one else does but they take more than they give.

?? They build our houses, pick our food and make very little money for it.

>They don't pay taxes on the money they make . . .

Neither do US citizens that make that much (below the poverty line.)

>and they leech off the welfare system and clog emergency rooms and
>never pay their bills.

Uh, have you ever met one? I've met a few, and none are like that.

>They are a drain on the system. Most are too lazy to learn our language.

Also not true.

>Turning a blind eye to illegal immigration is not the answer.

I agree there. We should be better at preventing illegal aliens from getting into this country, and better at allowing people in who want to come here legally and work.

I am not saying all immigrants are bad but there are plenty that take advantage of the system and don't really give back. We need to secure our borders but neither party does anything to accomplish this. Some kind of worker program needs to be put together. Illegal immigration is a problem that needs to be worked on.

The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

[billvon 2,991]

>Illegal immigration is a problem that needs to be worked on.

While I don't think it's one of the bigger problems facing us, I agree with you on that. Let foreigners who want to work come, and do a better job of keeping the ones who can't be bothered to work/come in legally out.

[warpedskydiver 0]

Yep real good for the economy, we are having the hospital on the east side of our twon close due to all the illegals using the emergencey room as their primary care physician, the hospital could no longer afford to keep it's doors open

We have about 50k people on this side of town, there is a river dividing town, and only three bridges accross the that river.

There is a metra/freight track along that river which precludes crossing it many times a day.

[nathaniel 0]

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How do they contribute to the economy? They may do menial jobs that no one else does

For instance some of them work as parachute packers. They produce packed parachutes from unpacked parachutes. The fruits of their labor are increased jumping at dropzones, stable and on-heading openings and increased gear safety.

My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski?

[billvon 2,991]

> Yep real good for the economy, we are having the hospital on the east
>side of our twon close due to all the illegals using the emergencey room
>as their primary care physician, the hospital could no longer afford to keep
>it's doors open

Yep. That's happening all over - Cleveland, Houston, Seattle, Boston. It's not just the illegals; plenty of US citizens are doing exactly the same thing. It's one of the results of the 1986 EMALTA law (the anti-dumping law.)