mnealtx 0 #26 October 31, 2007 Quote Quote Quote If I went to live in a Muslim country you can rest assured I would not be given any special treatment because I am not a Muslim. Only if you paid the jizwa and became a dhimmi - but even then you wouldn't be equal...just bumped up to a second-class citizen. What?????? and what????? In the words of DMX "Here we go again"I know a few woman i would like to give my Jizwa too My apologies - I misspelled. jiz·yah /ˈdʒɪzyə/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[jiz-yuh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun Islam. the poll tax formerly paid by minority religious groups within the Muslim empire. Also, jizya. A dhimmi (ذمي, collectively: أهل الذمة, ahl al-dhimma, the people of the dhimma or pact of protection, Ottoman Turkish zimmi) was a free, non-Muslim subject of a state governed in accordance with sharia law. A dhimmi is a person of the dhimma, a term which refers in Islamic law to a pact contracted between non-Muslims and authorities from their Muslim government. This status was originally only made available to non-Muslims who were People of the Book (i.e. Jews and Christians), but was later extended to include Sikhs, Zoroastrians, Mandeans, and, in some areas, Hindus and Buddhists. Dhimmi had more rights than other non-Muslim religious subjects, but fewer legal and social rights than Muslims. This status applied to millions of people living from the Atlantic Ocean to India from the 7th century until modern times. Over time, many dhimmis converted to Islam. Most conversions were voluntary and happened for a number of different reasons but forced conversion played a role in some later periods of Islamic history, mostly in the 12th century under the Almohad dynasty of North Africa and al-Andalus as well as in Persia where Shi'a Islam is dominant. Does that help?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #27 October 31, 2007 "formerly" - "was" - "applied" - "7th Century" Are these things still in existence?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #28 October 31, 2007 Quote"formerly" - "was" - "applied" - "7th Century" Are these things still in existence? It certainly appears to be.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #29 October 31, 2007 Quote As the first half it seems is more said just to piss of Muslims. That's a pretty easy thing to do. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #30 October 31, 2007 Quote Hey I think you should be allowed to practice any religion you want, but there are only one set of laws that shall govern. Would that be federal, state, county/parrish, or city law? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #31 October 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteYep Hey I think you should be allowed to practice any religion you want, but there are only one set of laws that shall govern. Agreed 100%Kinda of a thread drift, but, what do you think about this story? So? Do we make the muslums wear blue jeans and t-shirts or a suit and get the wowen to take off the burkas for a day? http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article407311.eceI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #32 October 31, 2007 Good on them. PM Howard is quite an impressive figure (from my view from afar). Such an attitude here would be torn apart in the US press.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funkcanna 0 #33 November 1, 2007 Quote Only if you paid the jizwa and became a dhimmi - but even then you wouldn't be equal...just bumped up to a second-class citizen. What a load of sweaty bollocksTo know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #34 November 1, 2007 QuoteQuote Only if you paid the jizwa and became a dhimmi - but even then you wouldn't be equal...just bumped up to a second-class citizen. What a load of sweaty bollocks I've posted a link to a site that shows that it still goes on today - what do you have, besides your overblown opinion?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funkcanna 0 #35 November 1, 2007 QuoteI've posted a link to a site that shows that it still goes on today - what do you have, besides your overblown opinion? I live in an Islamic country and I certainly dont get treat as a 2nd class citizen.To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #36 November 1, 2007 QuoteQuoteI've posted a link to a site that shows that it still goes on today - what do you have, besides your overblown opinion? I live in an Islamic country and I certainly dont get treat as a 2nd class citizen. And I've lived in one and WAS treated as one - equally valid. To be more clear, I should have said that it is not the case in "ALL" Muslim countries - conversely, YOU could have been more clear and given the example that it isn't the case in the country YOU live in.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funkcanna 0 #37 November 2, 2007 Quote To be more clear, I should have said that it is not the case in "ALL" Muslim countries - conversely, YOU could have been more clear and given the example that it isn't the case in the country YOU live in. Agreed 100% - I just wish the US government would differentiate on the same level.To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #38 November 2, 2007 QuoteQuote To be more clear, I should have said that it is not the case in "ALL" Muslim countries - conversely, YOU could have been more clear and given the example that it isn't the case in the country YOU live in. Agreed 100% - I just wish the US government would differentiate on the same level. Hell, why should they? Not even you and I did, and we've been there! We (all of us) have the unfortunate habit of equating the extremist position of a group (which gets the airtime on the news) with the basic views of a group (unless there's specific experience to counteract) all too often...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #39 November 2, 2007 QuoteAs the first half it seems is more said just to piss of Muslims. Hell, all you need to do is draw a cartoon in a newspaper to do that. I would love to see what would happen if you gave South Park a chance to do there stuff.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
