Lucky... 0 #51 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteNice bit of illogic, there....I'll correct. ....... 4. Dems (again) fail to realize that their own party is equally as scummy as they accuse the Reps of being. they are only hypocrits if they fail to call out there own (or even defend) yet try to take action on the other party's teammember (goes both ways) What, SPECFICALLY are the Dems hypocritical about? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #52 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuote"I will never apologize for the United States of America - I don't care what the facts are." I think this one was by George H.W. Bush, and it referred to the U.S.S. Vincennes shooting down an Iranian commercial airliner, killing some 300 innocent civilians. Blues, Dave Can you blame GHW? After all, he was part of the machine that looked for the city most rich in women and children when deciding where to drop the bombs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #53 November 7, 2007 another posting binge? Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #54 November 7, 2007 Quote another posting binge? Yep, to deaf ears. Just curious why the spacing matters? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #55 November 7, 2007 Quote Quote another posting binge? Yep, to deaf ears. Just curious why the spacing matters? Doesn't matter to me, just playin around. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #56 November 7, 2007 Quote>>>>>>>1. Dems crow about a Republican getting caught in some sort of scandal or generally make some sort of slur. No, Dems crow about the party that advertises relief from social ills like adultry, homosexuality and all the other moral corruption, is the one actually perpetuating it at all or a a much higher rate than the party they advertise to protect society from. Much like the Dems are the ones that perptuate all that they rail against. Money scandals are typically the province of the dems. Sex scandals are typically the province of the Republicans. Quote>>>>>>>>>>>2. Evidence is shown that the Dems have been caught in the same shit or equally as shitty as their example in 1), above. Sure, just not now. Sorry, I'll buy you a calandar if you wish, but Carter is no longer in office and LBJ's VNis far over. If you wish to talk history we can, but if you want to talk contemporary politics to establish who is CURRENTLY the best party for America then we can't LOGICALLY go back that far. Mike, is it intelligent to refer to FDR, Hoover or George Washington when we decide who to vote for in 2008? Of course not, so let's talk the last 10-20-30 years, that makes more logical sense. True. More sense would be that last couple of years. Neither party has done much. Bush's ratings are soem of the worst a POTUS has ever had. Congress's ratings are actually worse. Giant Douche and Turd Sandwich. Quote>>>>>>>>>3. Dems try the "CDIF" defense...usually by way of the RDIF / GHWDIF defense or the Lewinsky Redirect (always a crowd pleaser). Actually the CDIF is not a Dem defense, it is a Republican rationalization. WHat did Clinton do first? Balance the budget? Bring some rights and opportunity back to the people? Get a blowjob while in office and the Oval Office? I highly doubt it, I bet the walls could tell some stories. I doubt Clinton did many things first. Few say, "Did it first." Clinton didn't balance the Budget any more than Reagan slashed taxes. The Dems were responsible for the wonders and failings of economic policy under Reagan (they ran Congress and voted on the laws) and the Republicans were responsible for the wonders and failings of economic policy under Clinton (they ran Congress and voted on the laws). Neither side seems to understand that. I blame both parties for fucking up American education. Quote>>>>>>>>>>>4. Dems (again) fail to realize that their own party is equally as scummy as they accuse the Reps of being. They are hypocrites in different ways. QuoteDid the Dems: A) Run the debt from 1T to 9+T and climbing? Yep. Google "King of Pork" and find the party affiliation. QuoteB) Order wiretaps and now try to immunize telecom companies for their role? The United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (50 USC section 1803) was passed in 1978. Democratic POTUS. Democratic Congress. OOPS! QuoteC) Slam the US$ from 1USD = 1CD TO 1.06USD = 1CD? Probably not. I don't think we can blame Bush for that. We could probably strengthen the dollar, but doing so might cause a recession. QuoteD) Gain world hate Oh, hell yeah. Guess when the whole 9/11 planning and training was going on. Bush didn't gain world hate in the span of 8.5 months. On the contrary, this shit was brewing for a while. Take a look at the long-term effects of Clinton's policies of Israeli/Palestinian peace. QuoteE) Have many Repub figures commit lewd acts while impeaching Clinton for lying about sexual indescencies and performing homosexual acts? Plenty. And had Clinton thought there was nothign wrong with it he would have told the truth. But that's like asking how many Democrats speak loudly as being in favor of the poor and take corporate jets everywhere. Hypocrisy level is the same for BOTH parties. QuoteF) And many, many others..... Indeed. On both sides of the fence. QuoteBTW, how's your boy Trent Lott, you know, the one who was calling for Clinton's head for lying about a BJ, then discovered to be fucking his secretary while being married to another? Oh, it was about the lie, not the BJ? OK< how's your boy Scooter Libby, the one who did the same thing as Clinton, lied to Congress and was pardoned from prison by the king dickhead? Can you understand now, Mike? I just call them assholes who deserve what they get. Anybody who doesn't walk the walk but talks the talk should be villified. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #57 November 7, 2007 Quote Quote Quote another posting binge? Yep, to deaf ears. Just curious why the spacing matters? Doesn't matter to me, just playin around. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #58 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteNice bit of illogic, there....I'll correct. ....... 4. Dems (again) fail to realize that their own party is equally as scummy as they accuse the Reps of being. they are only hypocrits if they fail to call out there own (or even defend) yet try to take action on the other party's teammember (goes both ways) Agreed - that knife cuts both ways.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #59 November 7, 2007 Quote Yep. Google "King of Pork" and find the party affiliation. Did it. My bet was on Ted Stevens but he came in second. Then I googled "record number of earmarks" for a more recent history. Unfortunately the Dems have failed to claim for themselves the fiscal responsibility plank for their platform. It was ripped up and just lying there. Quote Oh, hell yeah. Guess when the whole 9/11 planning and training was going on. Bush didn't gain world hate in the span of 8.5 months. On the contrary, this shit was brewing for a while. Take a look at the long-term effects of Clinton's policies of Israeli/Palestinian peace. You're absolutely right here. But it's wrong to ignore that Bush 43 picked up where his predecessors left off and kicked it up quite a few notches. Had he stayed out of Iraq he might have actually reversed the trend. Remember world sentiment after 9/11/01, before the Iraq invasion? Also, WRT the Israeli/Palestinian problem, Bush 43's policy of unilaterally siding with a hawkish Israeli leadership has compounded problems exponentially. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #60 November 7, 2007 Quote No, no, what I'm pointing out is that even if you decide to unilatterally drag the left in, not that I agree or disagree, you are admitting the right is scummy, juts trying to mitigate it by dragging the left in. ........ I don't expect you to understand that simple reasoning, but instead insist that the right is "normal" because "everyone" does it. If you actually read the posts instead of looking for opportunity to insult everyone (wow, in your face and edgy ) you'd see my first post on this divergence was mockery of those that use CDIF - it doesn't result in lessening the issues, and therefore is not productive. I don't expect you to understand that, since you just want to push partisan coolaid and hack on people that, well, even when they agree with you you still vomit out rudeness. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #61 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuote they are only hypocrits if they fail to call out there own (or even defend) yet try to take action on the other party's teammember (goes both ways) What, SPECFICALLY are the Dems hypocritical about? who said "Dems" explicitly? That's just a definition of hypocrisy - As their poster boy, you go look in the mirror and see if it applies or not. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #62 November 7, 2007 QuoteUnfortunately the Dems have failed to claim for themselves the fiscal responsibility plank for their platform. They can't do it with the programs they want to see. "Fiscal responsibility" and "socialism" go together like a feminist and a frat dick. Quoteit's wrong to ignore that Bush 43 picked up where his predecessors left off and kicked it up quite a few notches. I don't ignore it. I merely point out that, contrary to allegations, it isn't all Bush's fault. This shit was going on well before he was POTUS. Well before Clinton was POTUS. Before Reagan was POTUS (lest we forget things like Ayatollah Khomeini). QuoteBush 43's policy of unilaterally siding with a hawkish Israeli leadership has compounded problems exponentially. I don't know if that is 100% accurate. The suicide bombings in Israel seem to have toned down over the last few years. If anything, the death of Arafat seems to have resulted in some gains, as well as the Israeli pullouts. But I am in agreement that Iraq was a HUGE screwup. I'm not saying Bush 43 is NOT a huge fuckup. He is. I was merely saying that things were fucked up when he got here and stayed fucked up and got more fucked up. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #63 November 7, 2007 Quote I was merely saying that things were fucked up when he got here and stayed fucked up and got more fucked up. Agree, 100%. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
