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The Air Force grounded it's entire fleet of F-15 aircraft on Nov. 3

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www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123074539

11/3/2007 - WASHINGTON (AFPN) -- The Air Force grounded it's entire fleet of F-15 aircraft on Nov. 3 following the crash of a Missouri Air National Guard F-15C aircraft Nov. 2.

The cause of that accident is still under investigation, however, preliminary findings indicate that a structural failure of the aircraft may have occurred. The grounding of the fleet is a precautionary safety measure.

The Air Force will ensure mission requirements are met for worldwide operations normally accomplished by the F-15. Current F-15 flying locations include bases in the continental United States, Alaska, England, Hawaii, Japan and the Middle East. Combat requirements in Iraq or Afghanistan will be met by other aircraft during the interim such as the F-16 Fighting Falcon, A-10 Thunderbolt II and B-1B Lancer.

There are more than 700 F-15s in the Air Force inventory. The F-15 reached initial operational capability for the Air Force in September 1975. The Missouri Air National Guard F-15 that crashed on Friday was built in 1980.

The F-15 Eagle is an all-weather, extremely maneuverable, tactical fighter designed to permit the Air Force to gain and maintain air supremacy over the battlefield. The Eagle's air superiority is achieved through a mixture of maneuverability and acceleration, range, weapons and avionics.

The F-15C, D and E models were deployed to the Persian Gulf in 1991 in support of Operation Desert Storm where they proved their superior combat capability. F-15C fighters accounted for 34 of the 37 Air Force air-to-air victories. The F-15E's were operated mainly at night, hunting SCUD missile launchers and artillery sites using the LANTIRN system.

They have since been deployed for air expeditionary force deployments and Operations Southern Watch -- the no-fly zone in Southern Iraq, Provide Comfort in Turkey, Allied Force in Bosnia, Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan and Iraqi Freedom in Iraq

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akarunway    1

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www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123074539

11/3/2007 - WASHINGTON (AFPN) -- The Air Force grounded it's entire fleet of F-15 aircraft on Nov. 3 following the crash of a Missouri Air National Guard F-15C aircraft Nov. 2.

The cause of that accident is still under investigation, however, preliminary findings indicate that a structural failure of the aircraft may have occurred. The grounding of the fleet is a precautionary safety measure.

The Air Force will ensure mission requirements are met for worldwide operations normally accomplished by the F-15. Current F-15 flying locations include bases in the continental United States, Alaska, England, Hawaii, Japan and the Middle East. Combat requirements in Iraq or Afghanistan will be met by other aircraft during the interim such as the F-16 Fighting Falcon, A-10 Thunderbolt II and B-1B Lancer.

There are more than 700 F-15s in the Air Force inventory. The F-15 reached initial operational capability for the Air Force in September 1975. The Missouri Air National Guard F-15 that crashed on Friday was built in 1980.

The F-15 Eagle is an all-weather, extremely maneuverable, tactical fighter designed to permit the Air Force to gain and maintain air supremacy over the battlefield. The Eagle's air superiority is achieved through a mixture of maneuverability and acceleration, range, weapons and avionics.

The F-15C, D and E models were deployed to the Persian Gulf in 1991 in support of Operation Desert Storm where they proved their superior combat capability. F-15C fighters accounted for 34 of the 37 Air Force air-to-air victories. The F-15E's were operated mainly at night, hunting SCUD missile launchers and artillery sites using the LANTIRN system.

They have since been deployed for air expeditionary force deployments and Operations Southern Watch -- the no-fly zone in Southern Iraq, Provide Comfort in Turkey, Allied Force in Bosnia, Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan and Iraqi Freedom in Iraq

Can you say"more money for the Raptor?" ;)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-22_Raptor;)
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nerdgirl    0

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It appears that the grounding has now been limited to non-mission critical aircraft: ”Air Force suspends some F-15 operations.”

At the risk of thread-stealing …

Not good timing in in consideration of recent proposals to abolish the Air Force in “The American Prospect”:

“It's time to revisit the 1947 decision to separate the Air Force from the Army. While everyone agrees that the United States military requires air capability, it's less obvious that we need a bureaucratic entity called the United States Air Force. The independent Air Force privileges airpower to a degree unsupported by the historical record. This bureaucratic structure has proven to be a continual problem in war fighting, in procurement, and in estimates of the costs of armed conflict. Indeed, it would be wrong to say that the USAF is an idea whose time has passed. Rather, it's a mistake that never should have been made.”

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Dave Axe’s proposal to Disband the Air Force, which got a lot of attention when it was cross-posted on military.com, which actually brings forth some very provocative issues, e.g., Sec AF Wynne and his comments w/r/t China.

“Aviation News” online responded last week.

VR/Marg

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akarunway    1

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Do you realize how much bandwidth you wasted by re-copying the entire post for the sake of a 1-line reply?
Dz.com's server runs slowly enough as it is.

Why didn't you go after the OP for not just posting the link and a short summary Mr. Burbot? No wonder I hate lawyers:P
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JohnRich    4

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If text were bandwidth intensive I would be concerned.



It's not the bandwidth that's the problem. It's the waste of everyone's time scrolling through repeatedly what has already been said.

It's simply proper etiquette to copy only the portion of the earlier message which is relevant to your response, for proper context.

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akarunway    1

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"Many a mickle makes a muckle".

"Amelia's mind had gone off at a complete tangent, trying to work out however many Puckles there must be in the firm. The old saw about thrift came into her mind: ‘Many a mickle makes a muckle. Could it be a case of many a client making a Puckle?;)
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BikerBabe    0

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apparently you agree with this dreck to disband the Air Force?

What is the background of those writers? Army or Navy, perhaps? Or Aviation News...who, funnily enough, would probably go out of business if the Air Force was disbanded. ;)

Dave Axe's thing got a lot of attention, sure. a lot of negative attention. Read the comments :P

I blame this whole "movement" (if you could call 3 wackos publishing blogs a "movement") on the press. All you see about the air force is f-15s and f-22s. Well, let me tell you from experience that without the air force, many other VITAL missions would fall by the wayside.

Oh, and did i mention research? The Air Force has always prided itself as being the technologically advanced arm of the military. A quick look into the research and development infrastructure of the AF as compared to the other services tells the tale. You do realize that all the other services rely on the tech that the AF has developed and funded over the years?

When i worked at the AF research lab in ABQ, we had the other services begging us to push tech out the door to use in the field.

But who am i to say...i only spent several years of my life in the AF. Most of the issues seem to come from "we spend too much money on the AF". well, don't blame the AF. blame the defense acquisition system...and disbanding the AF would have NO effect on that at all. The bloat and bureaucracy stretches across the entire DoD...not just the AF. it's one of the reasons i left.

The problem is the WAY the military allocates and spends money...not WHAT it spends the money ON.
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A quick look into the research and development infrastructure of the AF as compared to the other services tells the tale. You do realize that all the other services rely on the tech that the AF has developed and funded over the years?



Sure, the Navy heavily relies on the engineering research of the Air Force. Love those nuclear powered coffee makers in the Air Force.....:S

Navy can fly the jets, Army the helicopters.
For that matter, the Army can storm the beaches while we're at it. Halliburton will buy the Marines (a partially successful subdivision of the US Navy)

(Of course that last paragraph ...... :P)

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normiss    800

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While they have helped initially with a few aircraft and some satcom programs....the nuke, the Aegis program and phased array radar, the bird farms (carriers), sonar, and all of the sub programs...yea...Air Farce all the way.
somebody's a lil biased....

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BikerBabe    0

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*cough* wow, rehmwa, i didn't realize you were so liberal ;)

the proposal makes as much sense as saying...disband the marines, the army does that job. heck, disband the coast guard, the navy can do that job.

It is extremely shortsighted to think that we will never again need any air-to-air or long range bombing assets. It's also extremely shortsighted or naive to believe that the CULTURE of the military services are so similar that any service but the AF would handle these missions correctly or well. They would handle, i'm sure, but to what cost?

JDAM. JSOW. Predator. Global Hawk. wideband satellite communication architectures. you really need me to list these?

Just read some of the comments to either article nerdgirl posted. they list reasons a lot better than i am doing, and besides, i have no more time. ;)

Just trust me when i say that disbanding the AF (or any of the branches) wouldn't solve ANY of the issues these yahoos talk about. It's actually rather funny...and quite apparent that the authors have spent NO time interacting with anyone in the AF, or any other service for that matter, as anything other than a member of the press. And trust me, we are not ourselves when the press is around.
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nerdgirl    0

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apparently you agree with this dreck to disband the Air Force?

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No. I'm not sure how you came to that assumption. The Aviation News piece was a rebutting of the Farley & Axe's pieces.

I do think it's interesting the question is coming up in context of larger issues w/in the defense community, such as but far from limited to asymmetric warfare, China, Russia, GWOT, defense transformation, DoDD 3000.5 (on SSTR), paying for OIF & OEF, RMA, space-based weapons ...

W/r/t research, please see my posts on the importance of S&T for national security: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2999426;#2999426 & http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2999455;#2999455

VR/Marg


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JohnRich    4

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Hey all I did was post a news story.
Then I have people telling me what I intended:S



Yeah, isn't that funny? I did the same thing with the liberal media bias thread, without posting any personal comment whatsoever, and kallend accused me of "whining". So I guess that anyone who posts any message is a whiner...

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