Para_Frog 1 #1 November 6, 2007 Giggedy giggedy gig-a-dy- Harvey, BASE 1232 TAN-I, IAD-I, S&TA BLiNC Magazine Team Member Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #2 November 6, 2007 FANTASTIC! "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #3 November 6, 2007 Remember, Remember, the 5th of November..... _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #4 November 6, 2007 Party affiliation change deadlines for voters: Connecticut Nov. 6 Maryland Nov. 19 West virginia Nov. 30. you need to be registered as a republican in order to vote for Ron Paul in the primaries. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #5 November 6, 2007 QuoteParty affiliation change deadlines for voters: Connecticut Nov. 6 Maryland Nov. 19 West virginia Nov. 30. you need to be registered as a republican in order to vote for Ron Paul in the primaries. Unless you live in an enlightened state that has open primaries. Those are: Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, North Dakota, Ohio, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, and Wisconsin"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #6 November 6, 2007 In one of those states the dead are allowed to vote in the Democratic Primaries... hmmmm I wonder which one that is? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #7 November 6, 2007 QuoteUnless you live in an enlightened state that has open primaries. Those are: Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, North Dakota, Ohio, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, and Wisconsin Two thirds of which are Red states. Who'd a thunk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #8 November 6, 2007 QuoteQuoteUnless you live in an enlightened state that has open primaries. Those are: Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, North Dakota, Ohio, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, and Wisconsin Two thirds of which are Red states. Who'd a thunk? Test and CI for One Proportion Test of p = 0.5 vs p not = 0.5 Exact Sample X N Sample p 95% CI P-Value 1 12 19 0.631579 (0.383578, 0.837114) 0.359 ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #9 November 6, 2007 QuoteParty affiliation change deadlines for voters: Connecticut Nov. 6 Maryland Nov. 19 West virginia Nov. 30. you need to be registered as a republican in order to vote for Ron Paul in the primaries. Wait so you mean if you are registered as an independent you can’t vote for a republican? I did not know that. I always thought you show up with your card and you vote for whom you want to in an anonymous manner.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #10 November 6, 2007 Key word there is "Primaries", not 'Election' The primaries are where each party picks their extreme nutjob candidate resulting in the election having two horrible candidates to pick from. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #11 November 6, 2007 QuoteKey word there is "Primaries", not 'Election' The primaries are where each party picks their extreme nutjob candidate resulting in the election having two horrible candidates to pick from. Boy, ain't *THAT* the truth!!!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #12 November 6, 2007 QuoteKey word there is "Primaries", not 'Election' The primaries are where each party picks their extreme nutjob candidate resulting in the election having two horrible candidates to pick from. Hey can a whole bunch of democrats or vise versa change their party just to vote for the weakest candidate of their competitor in the Primaries?I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #13 November 6, 2007 QuoteKey word there is "Primaries", not 'Election' The primaries are where each party picks their extreme nutjob candidate resulting in the election having two horrible candidates to pick from. No, no! Each party nominates their most bland candidate who has offended the fewest special-interest groups. The winner is the one who has made the most ambiguous speeches, giving the fewest clues on where he/she really stands. Those who actually take stands and make speeches on relevant issues are weeded out here."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #14 November 6, 2007 QuoteQuoteKey word there is "Primaries", not 'Election' The primaries are where each party picks their extreme nutjob candidate resulting in the election having two horrible candidates to pick from. No, no! Each party nominates their most bland candidate who has offended the fewest special-interest groups. The winner is the one who has made the most ambiguous speeches, giving the fewest clues on where he/she really stands. Those who actually take stands and make speeches on relevant issues are weeded out here. No no no NO - in the primaries, the party nominates the MOST extreme wacko that kisses up the fringe groups. Then after the primaries and BEFORE the election, they completely hide those views and present as a "bland candidate who has offended the fewest special-interest groups. The winner is the one who has made the most ambiguous speeches, giving the fewest clues on where he/she really stands" ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #15 November 6, 2007 QuoteHey can a whole bunch of democrats or vise versa change their party just to vote for the weakest candidate of their competitor in the Primaries? They could, if they meet the deadline for changing it, but then they wouldn't be able to vote for a candidate in their own party. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #16 November 6, 2007 QuoteQuoteHey can a whole bunch of democrats or vise versa change their party just to vote for the weakest candidate of their competitor in the Primaries? They could, if they meet the deadline for changing it, but then they wouldn't be able to vote for a candidate in their own party. Wow really. That’s insane and I am surprised this has not been exploited in the past. You get 50% of the dems. To vote for the weakest rep. Then you still have 50% left to vote your guy in the primaries. And the general election you can vote for whom you want. Hey anyone want me on their campaign?I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #17 November 6, 2007 QuoteYou get 50% of the dems. To vote for the weakest rep. Then you still have 50% left to vote your guy in the primaries. And the general election you can vote for whom you want. Hmm, I'm not sure how that would get organized. And if it could be organized, then the other parties could do the same, and everything would even out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #18 November 6, 2007 Quote Quote You get 50% of the dems. To vote for the weakest rep. Then you still have 50% left to vote your guy in the primaries. And the general election you can vote for whom you want. Hmm, I'm not sure how that would get organized. And if it could be organized, then the other parties could do the same, and everything would even out. Or both parties would end put up annoying and very weak candidates... good thing that isn't happening in real life ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #19 November 6, 2007 QuoteUnless you live in an enlightened state that has open primaries. Those are: Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, North Dakota, Ohio, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, and Wisconsin Washington is no longer quite so enlightened. While you are free to pick a primary to vote in, you can only pick one. So if you vote for a Republican presidential candidate, you have to vote for a Republican in each other race as well. Having primary votes for more than one party will disqualify a ballot. Personally, I liked it more when I could select my favorite person in each race, regardless of which party they were affiliated with. I think the touted prospect of an organized effort to nominate a weak member of the opposing party smack of paranoia. And while a party should be free to select their nominee without outside interference, to me at least, the freedom of the people to vote their conscience outweighs it. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,032 #20 November 6, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteKey word there is "Primaries", not 'Election' The primaries are where each party picks their extreme nutjob candidate resulting in the election having two horrible candidates to pick from. No, no! Each party nominates their most bland candidate who has offended the fewest special-interest groups. The winner is the one who has made the most ambiguous speeches, giving the fewest clues on where he/she really stands. Those who actually take stands and make speeches on relevant issues are weeded out here. No no no NO - in the primaries, the party nominates the MOST extreme wacko that kisses up the fringe groups. Then after the primaries and BEFORE the election, they completely hide those views and present as a "bland candidate who has offended the fewest special-interest groups. The winner is the one who has made the most ambiguous speeches, giving the fewest clues on where he/she really stands" Right. The candidates were better when they emerged from the proverbial "smoke filled rooms". Open primaries are the most absurd of all. They let supporters of the other party act as spoilers. I think primaries should be restricted to dues paying paid up actual members of the party - those who put their money where their votes are.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #21 November 6, 2007 QuoteRight. The candidates were better when they emerged from the proverbial "smoke filled rooms". I disagree. That's even worse, in that scenario they are kissing up to only a single fringe nutjob group instead of at least a handful of fringe nutjob groups. I like the concept of the primary process. But in today's practice, it doesn't offer candidates that relate to the people of that party - just the nuts of the party. But the only way to level that out is for the average guy to get involved in the primary process, but, he's got to work and care for his family. He's not obsessive enough to spend time in the primary process. Get it on-line. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #22 November 6, 2007 QuoteI think primaries should be restricted to dues paying paid up actual members of the party - those who put their money where their votes are. Kind of like a poll tax. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,032 #23 November 6, 2007 QuoteQuoteI think primaries should be restricted to dues paying paid up actual members of the party - those who put their money where their votes are. Kind of like a poll tax. Do you approve of non-citizens voting in the general election? Do you approve of non-stockholders voting in a corporation ballot? Explain why non-party-members should vote in a party election. IMO, if you want to vote in any organization, you should first join it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lefty 0 #24 November 6, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteI think primaries should be restricted to dues paying paid up actual members of the party - those who put their money where their votes are. Kind of like a poll tax. Do you approve of non-citizens voting in the general election? Do you approve of non-stockholders voting in a corporation ballot? Explain why non-party-members should vote in a party election. IMO, if you want to vote in any organization, you should first join it. How about the idea of a person having their votes weighted proportionally to how much they pay in taxes? Your stockholder example would certainly support that.Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #25 November 6, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteI think primaries should be restricted to dues paying paid up actual members of the party - those who put their money where their votes are. Kind of like a poll tax. Do you approve of non-citizens voting in the general election? Do you approve of non-stockholders voting in a corporation ballot? Explain why non-party-members should vote in a party election. IMO, if you want to vote in any organization, you should first join it. Why should party membership be a requirement for voting in ANY election??? Where in the Constitution does it state that all political power should be in the hands of two indistinguishable parties who only concern is getting their own incumbents re-elected, and keeping anyone else out? Why are these two parties allowed to restrict my choices in the final down to just two? I like both Paul and Kucinich, so why am I not allowed to vote for both in the primaries?"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
