BoreSight Device left in rifle...?

[kschilk 0]

I was using a .300 Savage, Model 99 and fired it, with a slight snow-blockage in the very end of the barrel...and no, I didn't know about it 'til after. Anyway, the bullet exited the barrel and hit the target but the barrel bulged noticeably, almost exactly in the middle. Kinda' looks like the force was heading back my way, even with a only slight restriction in the barrel. No cracks or splits but it stretched the crap out of the bore.

"T'was ever thus."

[tkhayes 348]

when did I say I did not like guns? I own 13 or 15 pieces. Have not shot in ages.

I have an issue with Americans who say there is 'no gun problem'. there fore I believe there IS a gun problem, for which I will not get into that debate again as it has been flogged endlessly with no result on either side.

I do not own any handguns - I have no use for them,

[JohnRich 4]

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when did I say I did not like guns? I own 13 or 15 pieces. Have not shot in ages. I do not own any handguns - I have no use for them,

You have spoken out often in this forum against gun ownership in America. How ironic that you're actually a closet gun owner yourself.

As well as a Canadian who wants to tell Americans that they shouldn't be allowed to own handguns.

But hey, I wouldn't want to drag you into that political discussion again.

[warpedskydiver 0]

I have a dear friend that has a cage like that in his neck, he is going back to Iraq for his third time that I know of. After 29 years of service.

I hope your prior injury does not impair you like his does.

[rushmc 23]

I do not own any handguns - I have no use for them,

[tkhayes 348]

I have stated that there are GUN PROBLEMS in the USA, and that everyone armed is not a good idea. responsible gun ownership is a different thing altogether. I have not (that I can find) stated anything against gun ownership, but plenty against HANDGUN ownership. Too many of them, too many owned by idiots and zealots, and that my ideology is that if there were no handguns, then no one could be killed by a handgun.

I have also stated that gun ownership, registration and ONGOING training might be a good idea, but was often shot down by the 'constitutional zealots' who state it is their RIGHT to own whatever the hell they want, which is obvious to most with an education, not the intention of the writers of that piece of paper.

Nationality should not enter into it, but a nice try anyway. I am a naturalized US Citizen now. I still think the USA has a GUN PROBLEM.

my 8 shotguns, 5-6 rifles are locked away in a safe, unloaded, and secure. no one will ever get to them 'accidentally' and hurt themselves or others. No one in my house will ever get into a fight, pull out a gun and do something stupid with it. No one will break into my house and steal my guns, and most of all, I really doubt ANYTHING will ever happen in my life where I will need a gun to defend myself, because I am smart enough to stay away from those situations, as naive as that might be.

And even if that thought is naive, the sheer ODDS, of anything like that are so slim that I am not interested in being paranoid enough to arm myself for that slim slim chance.

thanks for dragging me into it anyway. I have been shooting since I could hold a gun, .22 cal since I was 6, shot my first 30-06 when I was 8, have EXTENSIVE trap shooting experience and reloading of many types of shotgun and rifle ammo. I owned a 9mm handgun (in Canada) for a while, and I turned it into the cops, as I had no need for it.

I used to big game hunt every year, ducks, grouse, and other birds. Please do not underestimate my experience with weapons, I have plenty, hence why I talk the talk and walk the walk.

The USA has a GUN PROBLEM.

TK

[tkhayes 348]

'taken away'? probably not, taking away anything from someone is always a tough call for governments, especially in a free country.

What disturbs me is that in this 'great country', people feel that they have a need to carry a handgun to feel safe - and yet they think their country is so perfect. If the country was so frigging' perfect and took care of its own citizens, then the need for handguns likely would not be there.

you guys claims rights, but do not get to the source of the problem - why do you need a gun to feel safe?

sure in a perfect world, everyone carrying a gun, who was trained, conscious, mentally sound, capable and ready to use that firearm when and only when the need arises, then great - what a perfect world.

but that is not the case. too many innocent people killed by too many guns. You need to protect yourself from that - I see a better picture - because I have lived it for a large part of my life. and I am no worse off than you

so would I pass a law to ban all guns? No. Would I require extremely stringent requirements to own one? Probably. Look what I have to do to fly a frigging airplane. Am I am a very small risk to the community. But in 3 hours on a Saturday, I can get a piece of paper that says I can carry a hand cannon in my belt.

something wrong with that sir.

TK

[tkhayes 348]

no real impairment, and it in not really a cage, but C5-C7 are fused with hip bone. 3 plates and 12 screws.

definitely changes your life. I was pretty lucky with the surgeons and the care I received. Especially the big gay nurse named 'Ned', who i always thank - they really gave a hoot about the care int eh Neurosurgery unit at Tampa General. They see it every day and I bet they understand the impact to peoples lives.

[kelpdiver 2]

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you guys claims rights, but do not get to the source of the problem - why do you need a gun to feel safe?

Strawman alert.

And why is this discussion (which I don't believe TK initiated) in this thread, which is about whether or not this bad gun was really an honest result and not a fabrication?

[rushmc 23]

I see a couple of topics I wish to address

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'taken away'? probably not, taking away anything from someone is always a tough call for governments, especially in a free country.

What disturbs me is that in this 'great country', people feel that they have a need to carry a handgun to feel safe - and yet they think their country is so perfect. I have not, nor have I seen this claimed en-mass If the country was so frigging' perfect and took care of its own citizens, then the need for handguns likely would not be there.Where is anything perfect. The supreem court has already stated that no one has a right to expect the police can protect them. they have to protect themselves. If the guns are taken only criminals will have guns

you guys claims rights, but do not get to the "source" of the problem - why do you need a gun to feel safe?what is the "source" please? serious question

sure in a perfect world, everyone carrying a gun, who was trained, conscious, mentally sound, capable and ready to use that firearm when and only when the need arises, then great - what a perfect world. every state that has passed looser CCW laws has not seen an increase in gun crime, nor has there been a statistical decrease. So, removing guns only empowers who?

but that is not the case. too many innocent people killed by too many guns.I do not think this is a stat you can back up. But, then how many is too many and who decides? I know, one is too many but with that thought process cars have to come off the road You need to protect yourself from that - I see a better picture - because I have lived it for a large part of my life. and I am no worse off than you

so would I pass a law to ban all guns? Only once I wish I would have had a gun on me. I survived that situation just fine. I do not want to try the same again No. Would I require extremely stringent requirements to own one? Probably.I have no problem with rules and regulations. Registration? Not a chance. In all cases that has been the first step to confiscation Look what I have to do to fly a frigging airplane. Am I am a very small risk to the community. But in 3 hours on a Saturday, I can get a piece of paper that says I can carry a hand cannon in my belt.three hours does not cut it where I live

something wrong with that sir.We will most likely agree to disagree here.

Thank you for the thoughtful response

TK

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[tkhayes 348]

I think I stated my case just fine, thank you and I will not rehash all the arguments you suppose. As you said - we disagree.

[mnealtx 0]

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I have also stated that gun ownership, registration and ONGOING training might be a good idea, but was often shot down by the 'constitutional zealots' who state it is their RIGHT to own whatever the hell they want, which is obvious to most with an education, not the intention of the writers of that piece of paper.

BULL.

"An experience chef, being necessary to the creation of tasty dessert, the right of the people to eat Baked Alaska shall not be infringed."

So...*WHO* gets the dessert - the chef or the people at the table?

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The USA has a GUN PROBLEM.

No, the USA has a CULTURE problem that has manifested as a gun problem.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[JohnRich 4]

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...everyone armed is not a good idea...

I thought you weren't going to get dragged into this discussion?

Let's see if I've got your position correct. So you're not against all guns. You just want:

1) Ban on all handguns.
2) Gun registration.
3) Mandatory periodic training (i.e. "licensing").
4) Mandatory safe storage requirements.

But hey, you're not against guns!

Please clarify your position further for me: Would it be okay in TK's world for citizens to own...

1) So-called "assault weapons"?
2) What about semi-auto hunting rifles?
3) Modern .50 caliber centerfire rifles?
4) Machine guns?

[tkhayes 348]

I think I stated my case just fine, thank you and I will not rehash all the arguments you suppose. we disagree.

[JohnRich 4]

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Please clarify your position further for me: Would it be okay in TK's world for citizens to own...

1) So-called "assault weapons"?
2) What about semi-auto hunting rifles?
3) Modern .50 caliber centerfire rifles?
4) Machine guns?

I think I stated my case just fine, thank you and I will not rehash all the arguments you suppose. we disagree.

Oh, I think you're afraid to answer those questions because then it would reveal the true extent of your anti-gun beliefs. And you wish to leave the impression to the contrary that you're really just a "moderate".

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Oh, I think you're afraid to answer those questions because then it would reveal the true extent of your anti-gun beliefs. And you wish to leave the impression to the contrary that you're really just a "moderate".

And so what if he is anti-gun? Isn't there room for more than one opinion? You make it sound like it makes him anti-american or somebody that should be shunned....

[JohnRich 4]

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And so what if he is anti-gun? Isn't there room for more than one opinion? You make it sound like it makes him anti-american or somebody that should be shunned....

He's welcome to be anti-gun, but he should have the courage of his convictions to admit how far that goes, instead of being coy and evasive. If he really believes it, he shouldn't be afraid to say it.

[tkhayes 348]

I wasn't afraid to say it, as a matter of fact I said it. And I said it just fine - clear and concise what my message is/was.

What's your opinion on abortion? How about abortion on Tuesdays? How about abortion for minorities? About abortion in hospitals versus clinics? Abortion with or without the use of sterile tools?

not much point in hashing it out since we we and always have disagreed.