Lions for Lambs

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Opened this weekend and was curious what anybody thought about it.

I thought it was a bit preachy, but that -was- the entire point of the film. My guess is that people on the extremes will see it as a vindication of whatever point of view they happen to have and people in the middle will see it as spreading the blame for the current state of affairs around pretty evenly; at least that's how I saw it.

I'd be really curious to know the opinion of anyone under the age of say, 25.

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http://www.apple.com/trailers/mgm/lionsforlambs/

Opened this weekend and was curious what anybody thought about it.

I thought it was a bit preachy, but that -was- the entire point of the film. My guess is that people on the extremes will see it as a vindication of whatever point of view they happen to have and people in the middle will see it as spreading the blame for the current state of affairs around pretty evenly; at least that's how I saw it.

I'd be really curious to know the opinion of anyone under the age of say, 25.

I wanted to go see it. Worth it? I read it was being shunned by the majority of the populace as are most anti war movies. Kinda weird. Unpopular war. You'd think people would be flocking.

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I read it was being shunned by the majority of the populace as are most anti war movies.

Well, see, that's the (for me) interesting part of it. While it does question aspects of the war, it's not completely anti-war. It's more like, why are we still doing this and no matter what side of the argument you're on, why aren't you actually doing anything about it?

Kind of a Nero fiddling while Rome burns thing, but instead of Nero it's . . . well . . . 90% of the American population.

It's not a date movie and it's not a "feel good" movie, nor is it much of an "action" flick, but I'd say that if you're a person that likes to go to movies that make you think, it's a good choice.

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Opened this weekend and was curious what anybody thought about it.

Haven't seen it.

But apparently the public thinks it's a turkey. The cartoon bee whipped it's butt.

http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2209745,00.html

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_27261

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Tom Cruise=Not gonna see it.

Ostriches and rheas are the only birds that urinate and defecate separately. They read Parachutist while doing #2.

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Tom Cruise=Not gonna see it.

I see your prejudice is showing. Pity. Cruise is surprisingly good in it.

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But apparently the public thinks it's a turkey. The cartoon bee whipped it's butt.

The "funny" thing is, that's part of what the movie is about, that the public, for the most part, just isn't interested in hearing or doing anything involving "the war".

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Tom Cruise=Not gonna see it.

I see your prejudice is showing. Pity. Cruise is surprisingly good in it.

Try his prejudice. Taking a drug-addled penny ante writer's word over that of medical professionals... Chiding people for taking care of themselves (i.e. bashing Brooke Shield's actions to alleviate her depression), and being the front for a scam that makes Amway look like a back-alley game of three card monte...

Tom Cruise can go fuck himself.

Ostriches and rheas are the only birds that urinate and defecate separately. They read Parachutist while doing #2.

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Try his prejudice. Taking a drug-addled penny ante writer's word over that of medical professionals... Chiding people for taking care of themselves (i.e. bashing Brooke Shield's actions to alleviate her depression), and being the front for a scam that makes Amway look like a back-alley game of three card monte...

And exactly what does any of that have to do with him being a meat puppet on a screen? Go ahead and dislike the guy for his personal viewpoints, but it has nothing to do with his on-screen performance or the subject matter in this movie.

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While it does question aspects of the war, it's not completely anti-war. It's more like, why are we still doing this and no matter what side of the argument you're on, why aren't you actually doing anything about it?

Kind of a Nero fiddling while Rome burns thing, but instead of Nero it's . . . well . . . 90% of the American population.

… I'd say that if you're a person that likes to go to movies that make you think, it's a good choice.

Thanks for the review; the “movies that make you think” comment definitely gets my attention.

Your review immediately made me think of this month’s issue of Foreign Policy, with the cover story “Iraq is Not His (Pres. Bush) Fault: It’s Yours”:

“It’s easy to blame the violence in Iraq and the pitfalls of the war on terror on a small cabal of neocons, a bumbling president, and an overstretched military. But real fault lies with the American people as well. Americans now ask more of their government but sacrifice less than ever before. It’s an unrealistic, even deadly, way to fight a global war. And, unfortunately, that’s just how the American people want it.”

… and to a provocative Op-Ed on yesterday's Washington Post by a former soldier who served in Iraq, From Abu Ghraib to Georgetown: I'm Back Home, But Still in Iraq's Grasp, which is also linked through National Review Online (i.e., the Op-Ed is getting attention from both ‘sides’). He writes:

“I find it frustrating that Facebook is a bigger part of most students' lives than the war.

“This culture of duty is at odds with the culture of individualism and self-promotion that seems paramount here in college. And yet, the divide between my soldier friends and my fellow students isn't the result of any fundamental differences between the people themselves. Many of my peers at school know much more about the world around them than my fellow soldiers do -- international relations is a popular subject at Georgetown. My Army friends used to laugh when they saw me reading the Economist; my friends here think everyone should read it. Students talk about refugees from Iraq, North Korea, Burma and Darfur with sincere compassion. One of my friends told me: 'I want to dedicate my life to educating people about the sufferings of others.'

“That's a wonderful goal, but I often feel that the words ring hollow. Students' true priorities are demonstrated by their daily activities: They have friends to meet, parties to attend, internships to work at, extracurricular activities to participate in, papers to write and classes to attend. They're under a lot of pressure to build a strong resume for whatever company or graduate school they apply to after college. They're under no pressure to be concerned about those who are less fortunate -- or those who fight wars on their behalf.”

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I'd be really curious to know the opinion of anyone under the age of say, 25.

I'm 27. I haven't seen it yet, but Netflix only rated it 3/5 stars based on my previously rated films.

Happy to satiate.

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Try his prejudice. Taking a drug-addled penny ante writer's word over that of medical professionals... Chiding people for taking care of themselves (i.e. bashing Brooke Shield's actions to alleviate her depression), and being the front for a scam that makes Amway look like a back-alley game of three card monte...

And exactly what does any of that have to do with him being a meat puppet on a screen? Go ahead and dislike the guy for his personal viewpoints, but it has nothing to do with his on-screen performance or the subject matter in this movie.

True, but all I said was that if Cruise is in it, I boycott. It could win best picture at the Oscars...I'd still avoid it because of him.

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And exactly what does any of that have to do with him being a meat puppet on a screen? Go ahead and dislike the guy for his personal viewpoints, but it has nothing to do with his on-screen performance or the subject matter in this movie.

So you would never consider the people behind the movie in your decision to finance it?

Personally, I don't think Cruise has quite done enough to qualify, but I'm not going to buy a blu-ray edition of his movies for $10 more. I don't see him as a serious actor for serious movies.

How about Mel Gibson, who seems slightly crazy and a Jew hater as well? I didn't feel a need to see the Passion (Braveheart IV).

How about a movie like the Triumph of the Will or maybe a David Duke special? Would you want to give money and credibility to special interests you find very distasteful or dangerous to the world?

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Opened this weekend and was curious what anybody thought about it.

Haven't seen it.

But apparently the public thinks it's a turkey. The cartoon bee whipped it's butt.

http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2209745,00.html

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_27261

Me thinks that goes to show the average Americans mentality/IQ. Sad

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
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Try his prejudice. Taking a drug-addled penny ante writer's word over that of medical professionals... Chiding people for taking care of themselves (i.e. bashing Brooke Shield's actions to alleviate her depression), and being the front for a scam that makes Amway look like a back-alley game of three card monte...

Tom Cruise can go fuck himself.

Does that go for all Scientologists or just him? Do you also boycott any movie with Forest Wittaker or John Travolta?
What about Jews? Do you boycott those as well or are you OK with Jews?

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So you would never consider the people behind the movie in your decision to finance it?

I try to judge the work, not the (sometimes mythical) history of the person that made it.

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Try his prejudice. Taking a drug-addled penny ante writer's word over that of medical professionals... Chiding people for taking care of themselves (i.e. bashing Brooke Shield's actions to alleviate her depression), and being the front for a scam that makes Amway look like a back-alley game of three card monte...

Tom Cruise can go fuck himself.

Does that go for all Scientologists or just him? Do you also boycott any movie with Forest Wittaker or John Travolta?
What about Jews? Do you boycott those as well or are you OK with Jews?

Non-sequitor. I boycott Cruise for his actions and words, not his beliefs. He can believe in Xenu all he wants, but when he starts in on how all non-scientologists are terrible, ignorant people, I change the channel.

P.S. Fuck Scientology.

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Opened this weekend and was curious what anybody thought about it.

Haven't seen it.

But apparently the public thinks it's a turkey. The cartoon bee whipped it's butt.

http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2209745,00.html

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_27261

Me thinks that goes to show the average Americans mentality/IQ. Sad

Americans are tired of seeing their sons and daughters painted as murderers by millionaires sitting on their asses in Hollywood. Regardless of whether or not the civilian leadership is misguided.

THAT makes them stupid?

I'd far rather take my child to see something that makes her laugh then take myself to something that makes Redford/Cruise richer. Anytime you wanna match IQs...you just let me know.

Fuck them. Go Bee Movie.

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Americans are tired of seeing their sons and daughters painted as murderers by millionaires sitting on their asses in Hollywood. Regardless of whether or not the civilian leadership is misguided.

Odd how you've come to this conclusion without, I assume, seeing the film in question.

Nobody in the film accuses anyone in uniform of being anything less than honorable. In fact quite the opposite. That is, after all where the title of the film comes from, a famous quote.

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I have the Bee Movie in my Netflix queue, too. I haven't seen it, but based on my previous ratings Neflix gave it four out of five stars.

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I am familiar with the quote, but thanks for the condescention.

And I made no distinction to THIS movie with that statement...it was as intended a generalization of how stupid Americans view any film that is pitched as anti-war, which this one was broadly.

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. . . but thanks for the condescention.

Ah the perfect internet comeback. Whenever somebody points something out or attempts to clairify an issue, be certain to call them condescending. Works wonders at moving the conversation forward!

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http://www.apple.com/trailers/mgm/lionsforlambs/

Opened this weekend and was curious what anybody thought about it.

I thought it was a bit preachy, but that -was- the entire point of the film. My guess is that people on the extremes will see it as a vindication of whatever point of view they happen to have and people in the middle will see it as spreading the blame for the current state of affairs around pretty evenly; at least that's how I saw it.

I'd be really curious to know the opinion of anyone under the age of say, 25.

Watching a movie on the Sundance movie channel right now. Called "The Ground Truth" about the war. All interviews w/ soldiers. I highly recommend it.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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Watching a movie on the Sundance movie channel right now. Called "The Ground Truth" about the war. All interviews w/ soldiers. I highly recommend it.

Just in case anybody thinks things aren't exactly fair and balanced in Hollywood (and admit it, you don't!), remember that the same person that produced Lions for Lambs also owns The Sundance Channel and is showing The Ground Truth.

Just a thought.

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Yeah. I'm sure the soldiers in the Ground Truth weren't vetted to provide an intended message.

Probably REMFs angry at the man. Michael Moore probably scripted the questions.

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