kallend 2,106
Richards 0
QuoteFrom the article:
"For example, at Iowa City, Iowa's South East Junior High School, girls who hadn't seen each other for an entire 42-minute class often stopped to hug each other in hallways during the four-minute break between classes. "
Wow, having to go without seeing each other for 42 minutes - how could schools be so CRUEL?
Obviously the story played that part up but that doesn't change the question. Do we need to penalize two good freinds for a hug? Kindness and friendship are not traits we should be discouraging.
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
DZJ 0
Apparently affection is outlawed, but individual or collective violence is actively encouraged!QuoteObviously the story played that part up but that doesn't change the question. Do we need to penalize two good freinds for a hug? Kindness and friendship are not traits we should be discouraging.
QuoteIn 1999, a U.S. Supreme Court ruling held schools responsible for creating environments free of harassment among students; that decision then led many lawsuit-averse administrators to ban most forms of student contact — except, of course, for high-contact sports like football and wrestling.
What lesson do you think that's teaching the little darlings?
[EDIT - Was wondering, would people call this the rise of litigation culture, or the demise of common sense? Or are they the same thing?]
Richards 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteObviously the story played that part up but that doesn't change the question. Do we need to penalize two good freinds for a hug? Kindness and friendship are not traits we should be discouraging.
Apparently affection is outlawed, but individual or collective violence is actively encouraged!
As ridiculous as that sounds it appears to be trueQuoteQuoteIn 1999, a U.S. Supreme Court ruling held schools responsible for creating environments free of harassment among students; that decision then led many lawsuit-averse administrators to ban most forms of student contact — except, of course, for high-contact sports like football and wrestling.
What lesson do you think that's teaching the little darlings?
I have no problem with keeping conact sports in but I cannot fathom how anti-harrasment policies can lead to this. I realize that this is not the first example of a well intended policy being taken to stupid extremes but you almost wonder about the intentions of those who deliberately pervert a policy. It's as though they just did not want to have the policy implemented in the first place and are deliberately taking it out of context so others will oppose it. Can we not suspend one student for grabbing a girls tits without having to penalize two girls for a hug? Is it that black and white? How is this justified (not merely interpreted in legalese).Quote[EDIT - Was wondering, would people call this the rise of litigation culture, or the demise of common sense? Or are they the same thing?]
Kind of like asking if it is summer ending or fall beginning. But certainly common sense is becoming rather like santa clause or the tooth fairy.
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
QuoteTeachers don't make school policies, school boards do.
But teachers and school administrators implement policy, often even more stupidly than the board. They don't get off the hook for anything besides the zero intelligence policies.
DZJ 0
I agree about sport, I just found the apparent conflict amusing.QuoteI have no problem with keeping conact sports in but I cannot fathom how anti-harrasment policies can lead to this. I realize that this is not the first example of a well intended policy being taken to stupid extremes but you almost wonder about the intentions of those who deliberately pervert a policy. It's as though they just did not want to have the policy implemented in the first place and are deliberately taking it out of context so others will oppose it. Can we not suspend one student for grabbing a girls tits without having to penalize two girls for a hug? Is it that black and white? How is this justified (not merely interpreted in legalese).
As for these sorts of rules, it seems that in an increasingly liability-mindful environment the response to any situation requiring judgement is to hedge bets with blanket policies. I wouldn't think that policy is being deliberately perverted, so much as once a policy is formulated it has to be implemented in a rigorous way or else it becomes irrelevant and possibly opens up a body to the exact same litigation as before.
Of course partly this is all our fault - if we weren't quite so keen to sue at the drop of a hat, we wouldn't have businesses and public institutions protecting themselves like this. It's just that pot of gold at the end of the legal rainbow is sooo enticing...
Or we could just shoot all the lawyers....
QuoteQuoteQuoteTeachers don't make school policies, school boards do.
Did they have to make this one so extreme?
From the article:
"For example, at Iowa City, Iowa's South East Junior High School, girls who hadn't seen each other for an entire 42-minute class often stopped to hug each other in hallways during the four-minute break between classes. "
Wow, having to go without seeing each other for 42 minutes - how could schools be so CRUEL?
I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.
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'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.
kallend 2,106
Wher's the love man. Can we have a group hug?QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteTeachers don't make school policies, school boards do.
Did they have to make this one so extreme?
From the article:
"For example, at Iowa City, Iowa's South East Junior High School, girls who hadn't seen each other for an entire 42-minute class often stopped to hug each other in hallways during the four-minute break between classes. "
Wow, having to go without seeing each other for 42 minutes - how could schools be so CRUEL?
It's more than 42 minutes since I saw you, and I still have NO desire to hug you.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Richards 0
QuoteWher's the love man. Can we have a group hug?
Whoa put the brakes on there sport. Don't use the "H" word. It makes me feel violated and humiliated and victimized. I will have to demand that the mods ban you for harrassing me with the "H" word. Now if you will excuse me I think I need to cry.
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
Richards 0
QuoteOf course partly this is all our fault - if we weren't quite so keen to sue at the drop of a hat, we wouldn't have businesses and public institutions protecting themselves like this. It's just that pot of gold at the end of the legal rainbow is sooo enticing...
Pretty much
QuoteOr we could just shoot all the lawyers....
Right on. I knew you would come around. How does it feel to experience your first taste of bloodlust?
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
steve1 5
I've never seen a kid written up in our school for this sort of thing. In the High School or even Middle School the hugging, kissing, and groping gets carried away at times.
Nobody is going to stop a student from giving a friend a hug (in our school). But the policy is no hugging or kissing (in a sexual manner).
It's a matter of drawing the line someplace. Teenagers are good at testing limits. I imagine most all schools have some kind of policy on this. Hopefully teachers and administrators have enough common sense to enforce it properly.
Earlier this year, I went over to break up a couple students who were hugging and kissing in the building. About then I noticed that one of them was a Mother giving her daughter a kiss goodbye. Man, did I feel stupid.....
Nobody is going to stop a student from giving a friend a hug (in our school). But the policy is no hugging or kissing (in a sexual manner).
It's a matter of drawing the line someplace. Teenagers are good at testing limits. I imagine most all schools have some kind of policy on this. Hopefully teachers and administrators have enough common sense to enforce it properly.
Earlier this year, I went over to break up a couple students who were hugging and kissing in the building. About then I noticed that one of them was a Mother giving her daughter a kiss goodbye. Man, did I feel stupid.....
DZJ 0
Hehe, it wouldn't be bloodlust, honest! Simply doing my bit for common sense, one round at a time.QuoteRight on. I knew you would come around. How does it feel to experience your first taste of bloodlust?
QuoteQuoteTeachers don't make school policies, school boards do.
But teachers and school administrators implement policy, often even more stupidly than the board. They don't get off the hook for anything besides the zero intelligence policies....
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This is yet another of many, many examples of idiocy in the schools. These stories are legion. The solution is simple:
Repeal compulsory attendance laws.
This will force the schools to adopt policies which do not blatantly contradict parental authority & common sense.
No other approach will do.
Cheers,
Jon S.
kallend 2,106
QuoteQuoteTeachers don't make school policies, school boards do.
But teachers and school administrators implement policy, often even more stupidly than the board. They don't get off the hook for anything besides the zero intelligence policies.
Teachers who disregard School District rules are liable to dismissal "for cause" even if they have tenure.
The problems are not coming from the teachers, they are coming from the school boards.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Did they have to make this one so extreme?
From the article:
"For example, at Iowa City, Iowa's South East Junior High School, girls who hadn't seen each other for an entire 42-minute class often stopped to hug each other in hallways during the four-minute break between classes. "
Wow, having to go without seeing each other for 42 minutes - how could schools be so CRUEL?
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.