warpedskydiver 0 #26 November 16, 2007 Or it allows people who think those laws are how it should be, to come into this country and continue as they always did. It is a double edged sword. Wahhabism is alive and well, even in the USA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #27 November 16, 2007 Should the US Gov. put pressure on every Gov that doesn't conform to the US standards? Or only for laws that don't meet your standard? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #28 November 16, 2007 QuoteThose people can rise up and over throw the monarchy. It's been done before. Well maybe they could if the monarchy wasn't militarily supported by this meddlesome superpower who wants their oil. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #29 November 16, 2007 Quote Or it allows people who think those laws are how it should be, to come into this country and continue as they always did. It is a double edged sword. Wahhabism is alive and well, even in the USA. When dealing with bad things the solutions are often not good things but gray things. The world isn't perfect ... "That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #30 November 16, 2007 QuoteQuoteThose people can rise up and over throw the monarchy. It's been done before. Well maybe they could if the monarchy wasn't militarily supported by this meddlesome superpower who wants their oil. Yeah... ALL those bases over there in S.A. that we can respond from...oh, yeah, we don't have them anymore. Nevermind!!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #31 November 16, 2007 QuoteShould the US Gov. put pressure on every Gov that doesn't conform to the US standards? Or only for laws that don't meet your standard? Every government should put pressure on every government that doesn't conform to universal standards. Do you not agree that some things are universal and some things are local?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccallj 0 #32 November 16, 2007 There isnt something fundamentally wrong with beating rape victims because they were in a car with a man who was not their husband? Weather you like it or not some truth is universal, this most definitely falls under that category.“Last week I helped my friend stay put. It's a lot easier than helping someone move. I just went over to his house and made sure that he did not start to load his shit into a truck.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #33 November 16, 2007 QuoteI don't have any interest in trying to change the laws in a country I don't live in. Should the US Gov. put pressure on every Gov that doesn't conform to the US standards? Or only for laws that don't meet your standard? Dude, who's posts are you reading!?! Seriously, you're responding to imaginary arguments right now. The only thing that has happened in this thread so far is people expressing disgust at those laws, and people wishing that we weren't quite so explicitly supportive of this non-democratic regime. Do you have a problem with that? Now, do you think you could do me the courtesy of actually reading and understanding what I've just said instead of spouting bollocks about invasions and regime change?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #34 November 16, 2007 QuoteQuote>THere seems to be a lot of talk that suggests that once the oil runs out we are screwed. Only if we are dumb enough to not prepare for that day. How. I am not knowledgable on this topic so I will have to trust your judgement but there has been talk that all this alternative fuel stuff just wont be anywhere near adequate to replace oil. Basically the jist of many articles is that even combinations of alternate energy sources will not be able to compensate once oil goes. Is there a viable plan? My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #35 November 16, 2007 Obviously you have never been there.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #36 November 16, 2007 QuoteQuoteNice try, but not the same thing. If it were a neighbor then we would both be under the same laws. This topic is about a different country. We don't want their laws and they don't want our laws. Who are we to decide for them what laws they should be governed by. You get that Saudi Arabia isn't a democracy, right? So what? Democracy is a culturally dependant philosophy it doesn't travel well outside of Europe and the west/westernised countries. Just because you are from a democracy doesn't make it a universal geopolictical ideal.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #37 November 16, 2007 QuoteQuoteShould the US Gov. put pressure on every Gov that doesn't conform to the US standards? Or only for laws that don't meet your standard? Every government should put pressure on every government that doesn't conform to universal standards. Do you not agree that some things are universal and some things are local? That's a nice utopian world you live in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #38 November 16, 2007 QuoteThere isnt something fundamentally wrong with beating rape victims because they were in a car with a man who was not their husband? Weather you like it or not some truth is universal, this most definitely falls under that category. There is something fundamentally wrong with beating someone just because they were in a car with another person regardless of who that other person is. Whether you like it or not some truth is universal, this most definitely falls under that category."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #39 November 16, 2007 QuoteQuoteEvery government should put pressure on every government that doesn't conform to universal standards. Do you not agree that some things are universal and some things are local? That's a nice utopian world you live in. In a utopian world everyone would conform to universal standards. In the real world, people need to put pressure on other people to conform to universal standards."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #40 November 16, 2007 In a real world there is no universal standard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #41 November 16, 2007 QuoteIn a real world there is no universal standard. If there is no universal standard then there exists situations in which genocide is acceptable ... do you care to explain those situations? Maybe you would rather explain murder, rape, ..."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivermom 0 #42 November 16, 2007 It's impossible for me to even think about laws/culture, because I can't get past the pure horror of this whole thing. I can't imagine enduring even one lash with a whip (or whatever horrible object is used), much less 200! How can anyone even SURVIVE 200 lashes? It just makes my skin crawl.......but at the same time I can't help but shout from the rooftops.... GOD BLESS AMERICA!Mrs. WaltAppel All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #43 November 16, 2007 QuoteSo what? Democracy is a culturally dependant philosophy it doesn't travel well outside of Europe and the west/westernised countries. Just because you are from a democracy doesn't make it a universal geopolictical ideal. Firstly, you've completely overlooked the context of my statement. Second, bullshit. Democracy is better than a dictatorship, and Saudi Arabia isn't even a good advert for dictatorship.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #44 November 16, 2007 QuoteQuoteIn a real world there is no universal standard. If there is no universal standard then there exists situations in which genocide is acceptable ... do you care to explain those situations? Maybe you would rather explain murder, rape, ... Not every culture views those things the same way. If they did then there would be a "universal standard". Read your history book. Not that long ago people here in North America thought it was a good idea to exterminate the Native Americans. Apparently they didn't know about your "universal standard". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #45 November 16, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteIn a real world there is no universal standard. If there is no universal standard then there exists situations in which genocide is acceptable ... do you care to explain those situations? Maybe you would rather explain murder, rape, ... Not every culture views those things the same way. If they did then there would be a "universal standard". Read your history book. Not that long ago people here in North America thought it was a good idea to exterminate the Native Americans. Apparently they didn't know about your "universal standard". I have read my history books. Just because people didn't or don't follow universal standards didn't and doesn't mean universal standards don't exist. All you have to do to prove that genocide (murder, rape, ...) isn't a universal standard is present a single situation in which genocide (murder, rape, ...) is acceptable ... I won't hold my breath."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #46 November 16, 2007 Quote Quote In a real world there is no universal standard. If there is no universal standard then there exists situations in which genocide is acceptable ... do you care to explain those situations? Maybe you would rather explain murder, rape, ... Genocide is covered by international law. There is a big difference between international law and a universal standard. Hell even gravity isn't a universally standard. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #47 November 16, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIn a real world there is no universal standard. If there is no universal standard then there exists situations in which genocide is acceptable ... do you care to explain those situations? Maybe you would rather explain murder, rape, ... Not every culture views those things the same way. If they did then there would be a "universal standard". Read your history book. Not that long ago people here in North America thought it was a good idea to exterminate the Native Americans. Apparently they didn't know about your "universal standard". I have read my history books. Just because people didn't or don't follow universal standards didn't and doesn't mean universal standards don't exist. All you have to do to prove that genocide (murder, rape, ...) isn't a universal standard is present a single situation in which genocide (murder, rape, ...) is acceptable ... I won't hold my breath. I think you pulled this "universal standard" idea out of your ass. For it to be "universal" how many people have to believe it? My point is not all cultures or countries see things the way you do so how can you claim a "universal standard" law exists? I gave you a time period and culture that genocide was accepted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #48 November 16, 2007 Quote Quote So what? Democracy is a culturally dependant philosophy it doesn't travel well outside of Europe and the west/westernised countries. Just because you are from a democracy doesn't make it a universal geopolictical ideal. Firstly, you've completely overlooked the context of my statement. Second, bullshit. Democracy is better than a dictatorship, and Saudi Arabia isn't even a good advert for dictatorship. I think the word you're looking for is monarchy. I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #49 November 16, 2007 QuoteI think you pulled this "universal standard" idea out of your ass. I assume that you never studied philosophy. QuoteFor it to be "universal" how many people have to believe it? Zero. Logic and reasoning do not require belief. "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire QuoteMy point is not all cultures or countries see things the way you do so how can you claim a "universal standard" law exists? I gave you a time period and culture that genocide was accepted. I can claim a "universal" standard exists because logic and reasoning span cultures. I apologize, I should have used justified instead of acceptable. Can you give a situation where genocide (murder, rape, ...) is justified?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #50 November 16, 2007 QuoteIn a real world there is no universal standard. and therein lies the fundamental flaw of moral relativism. Think about it for a minute. You realize that your statement contradicts itself, right???Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
