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QuoteQuoteQuoteHow can anyone even SURVIVE 200 lashes?
It is not uncommon that they don't survive. Largely depends on medical care post-punishment.
Marg
Are women allowed to receive medical care under Sharia Law? (maybe only if the doctor is their husband... or another woman... but then again, are women allowed to be doctors under Sharia Law?)
I posted a link to an article in my previous post that gives some information about the administration of the lashes. The one giving the lashes must hold a Koran under his arm to diminish the amount of force, and the lashes are carried out over several sessions. Still absolutely horrible.....but at least they don't give all 200 lashes at the same time
Also, it is reported that permanent scars usually don't develop. At least not PHYSICAL scars
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Everyone is rational in their own mind. This is why moral relativism is very dangerous. A universal standard of truth is required, if it is not then there is no right or wrong. And the very meaning of the term "relative" means that it has to be centered around something that doesnt change. According to Einstein everything is relative to the speed of light which is an absolute. Light is the universal standard in that situation. The argument is the same in the moral realm, without an absolute standard there is no right or wrong. The real problem is arguing over what that absolute should be. The west has one idea and the middle east and Asia have completely different ideas. Ok my head hurts and the sleep medication is kicking in, ill follow up on this later.
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Skyrad 0
QuoteSecond, bullshit. Democracy is better than a dictatorship, and Saudi Arabia isn't even a good advert for dictatorship.
That is not an argument.
When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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Skyrad 0
QuoteQuoteI think the word you're looking for is monarchy.
I used the word I wanted to use, and I'm quite happy with my post the way it is.
Regardless of accuracy.
When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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Royd 0
Is that your view on Child Protective Services in this country? You can go to jail for properly dealing with a smart ass punk.QuoteWho cares that my neighbor rapes his wife and daughters and then gives them 200 lashes for being raped. It is his property and it is their problem. I am just glad that I don't live there.
jakee 1,489
QuoteQuoteSecond, bullshit. Democracy is better than a dictatorship, and Saudi Arabia isn't even a good advert for dictatorship.
That is not an argument.
Then neither was your post. Explain why democracy (and more specifically constitutional representative democracy) is not applicable to non-european cultures.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
jakee 1,489
QuoteQuoteQuoteI think the word you're looking for is monarchy.
I used the word I wanted to use, and I'm quite happy with my post the way it is.
Regardless of accuracy.
One definition of dictatorship is government without the consent of the people (that is, the power of the dictator does not come from being chosen by the populace). Absolute Monarchy fits that bill.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
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Absolutely.... there are countries in the world that perform unethical acts like..
holding folks without trial... offshore, so that normal standards are not applied.
fly folks around the world for 'special' treatment
perform capital punishment
The problem with your "Universal Standards" is that there is no such thing. Universe implied ONE, so thus a standard supported by 100% of people, not some, or most but ALL.
In your post you are applying your rules and ethics but thet dont apply to everyone.
(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
Absolutely.... there are countries in the world that perform unethical acts like..
holding folks without trial... offshore, so that normal standards are not applied.
fly folks around the world for 'special' treatment
perform capital punishment
The problem with your "Universal Standards" is that there is no such thing. Universe implied ONE, so thus a standard supported by 100% of people, not some, or most but ALL.
In your post you are applying your rules and ethics but thet dont apply to everyone.
(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
nigel99 471
QuoteExplain why democracy (and more specifically constitutional representative democracy) is not applicable to non-european cultures.
I agree with Skyrad that Democracy does not appear to work very well in alot of cultures. To be perfectly honest I don't understand the reasons why this is true but I will give a couple of examples:
Iraq - Saddam clearly had a better grasp than the "democratic" alternative.
Zimbabwe - The country was far better off before democracy. (This is true of most southern african countries if compared before and after independance from the colonies)
I suspect that for democracy to work people must have the belief in themselves and that they are capable of questioning and confronting the leadership. This appears to be a foundation stone for successful democracy.
The US has this sense probably stronger than most (refer to JohnRich's post regarding why gun ownership is so important). Where a country has a strong cultural or religious tendency to "obey at all costs" I don't think democracy works very well. It is better to have a benign monarchy/external force in control. In this way I think that the US fails the world as it meddles in other peoples business and yet does not shoulder the responsibility. I would prefer the US came out as an Imperialist nation (which it continually flirts with anyway) and actually colonised the countries where is tries to right wrongs - this would remove the vacuum's they tend to leave.
Lastly I think that Europe is loosing its ability to question leadership and I believe that at some point in the future we or our children will be abused by politicians with to much power and nobody with the will to confront them.
Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.
Actually, I dont think that we do live in a democracy (ruled by the people, I think the Greeks meant by that)... but we are ruled by a goup selected by the people.
This is very much a different thing. In so much that the people that we put in power, more often than not, follow policies of for their own reasons and never come back to ask the public what they want.
Also, we live in a country of a given political flavour by accident of birth.. i,e we dont choose to and only under very extra-ordinary circumstances do the People actually change the basic political process within their country (French/Russion revolution, for example).
(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
This is very much a different thing. In so much that the people that we put in power, more often than not, follow policies of for their own reasons and never come back to ask the public what they want.
Also, we live in a country of a given political flavour by accident of birth.. i,e we dont choose to and only under very extra-ordinary circumstances do the People actually change the basic political process within their country (French/Russion revolution, for example).
(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
jakee 1,489
QuoteZimbabwe - The country was far better off before democracy. (This is true of most southern african countries if compared before and after independance from the colonies)
Better off before democracy? Ahhh, no. Better off before being ruled by a dictator, yes. The problems being experienced in establishing stable democracies in former African colonies is not a failing of democracy, it is a combination of the after effects of decades of exploitation and a completely cack handed turn over of power.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
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It is not uncommon that they don't survive. Largely depends on medical care post-punishment.
Are women allowed to receive medical care under Sharia Law? (maybe only if the doctor is their husband... or another woman... but then again, are women allowed to be doctors under Sharia Law?)
It depends. Since theological-based law (as prescribed in the Islamic penal code, sharî’a, or more precisely hudûd) is frequently predicated on interpreting and applying hundred+ year old text(s), application varies highly.
Saudi Arabia has a good to well-advanced medical system with many women physicians. Iran does too.
In some areas literally or effectively under Sharia law -- particularly at the local level where such punishment is applied -- such as Afghanistan, western Pakistan, northern Nigeria, the medical care is poor to completely lacking. Male doctors may be required to diagnosis & treat through a dime to quarter-sized hole in a sheet or interact only by relaying messages through the husband, father, or close male relative, if an allopathic medical practitioner is available.
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Skydivermom –
Do you think a system that condemns raped women, accused homosexual men (7,000 lashes in one recent case) … or condemns men convicted of consuming alcohol to 80 lashes (i.e., Taliban-controlled Afghanistan … in parts of Sudan it’s ‘only’ 40 lashes for drinking alcohol) … to corporal punishment by whipping, flogging, stoning is going to have an effective oversight system?
Due process, as we think of it, does not exist.
This site has two pictures of public caning (it’s a crime to circulate pictures). As the link above notes – the man carrying out the punishment in the picture clearly has no book under his arm.
VR/Marg
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