Andrewwhyte 1 #1 November 19, 2007 No terrorists getting through on MY watch. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/cbc/canada_windsor_hospital Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #2 November 19, 2007 Quote No terrorists getting through on MY watch. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/cbc/canada_windsor_hospital 3 2 1 SC Anyway, why were they rushing him to the US? Canada has a Hillary version (Socialized) of medical care don't they?Why would you need to go to another country to get care?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #3 November 19, 2007 The world is being run by morons. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #4 November 19, 2007 Umm, cause they have a socialized medical system. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #5 November 19, 2007 Quote Umm, cause they have a socialized medical system. I don't understand.The media says it would be a good thing.Hillary says it would be a good thing.The democrats say it would be a good thing . . . You must be wrong.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #6 November 19, 2007 Quote Quote No terrorists getting through on MY watch. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/cbc/canada_windsor_hospital 3 2 1 SC Anyway, why were they rushing him to the US? Canada has a Hillary version (Socialized) of medical care don't they?Why would you need to go to another country to get care? Windsor to Detroit= 10min (+ the border). Windsor to Toronto= several hours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #7 November 19, 2007 We also have socialized fire departments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #8 November 19, 2007 Quote Windsor to Detroit= 10min (+ the border). So your system doesn't allow for adequate doctors? Or are they just incompetent because of a lack of competition?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #9 November 19, 2007 Emergencies or "Emergencies" are always the best way to find flaws in any process. Most often the flaws are ignored because the process gets bypassed.Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Armour666 0 #10 November 19, 2007 QuoteQuote Windsor to Detroit= 10min (+ the border). So your system doesn't allow for adequate doctors? Or are they just incompetent because of a lack of competition? How many cities or towns in the US have to send people to specialist located in other cities and hospitals? It has nothing to do with the system we have but where the closest specialist is and getting the person there as quick as possible for the treatment if that happens to be in Detroit compared to London or Toronto even with a flight is more then the 10 -15 min transport across the border then that’s the decision that is made what is best for the patient and the cost is still covered by the province.SO this one time at band camp..... "Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #11 November 19, 2007 QuoteQuote Windsor to Detroit= 10min (+ the border). So your system doesn't allow for adequate doctors? Or are they just incompetent because of a lack of competition? In theory Canuckville's socialized healthcare system is 2nd to none. In theory. LOL No all the Canuckville doctors and nurses are off chasing the Jones's and their dollar signs in the USA where healthcare is a for profit business. It's pretty much a Catch-22 situation here. 3 - 2 - 1 - c'ya in SC. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #12 November 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote Windsor to Detroit= 10min (+ the border). So your system doesn't allow for adequate doctors? Or are they just incompetent because of a lack of competition? How many cities or towns in the US have to send people to specialist located in other cities and hospitals? It has nothing to do with the system we have but where the closest specialist is and getting the person there as quick as possible for the treatment if that happens to be in Detroit compared to London or Toronto even with a flight is more then the 10 -15 min transport across the border then that’s the decision that is made what is best for the patient and the cost is still covered by the province. What is the population of Windsor? Why don't they have their own specialists? Shouldn't they?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Armour666 0 #13 November 19, 2007 214,000. Doctors are not forced to work in particular cities so it all depends on how you look at it and if a doctor wants to live in a town such as Windsor. No different in the US really doctors work where they wantSO this one time at band camp..... "Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #14 November 20, 2007 Quote214,000. Doctors are not forced to work in particular cities so it all depends on how you look at it and if a doctor wants to live in a town such as Windsor. No different in the US really doctors work where they want Way different in the US . . . if there is money to be made in a town that size - people move there.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #15 November 20, 2007 In the US, generally, you'll find the broadest mix of specialists around the major teaching hospitals and/or trauma centers. There's a reason those tend to be one in the same - trauma makes for good teaching opportunities. Trauma centers are regional specialty centers - it doesn't make economic sense for every hospital in every city to try to support every need; there's a reason someone will get airlifted from Montana to Harborview here in Seattle for specialty care ... Montana doesn't have the population to support the types of services you get here, and regional planners have made the decision to throw all the resources for a four-state area into a single Level 1 trauma center here. Trauma's not always where the money is at, of course.... But the original post was about an emergency case trying to get to a Detroit hospital. Detroit's a considerably larger city than Windsor ... and therefore can support a larger hospitals with the right specialty services for an emergency angioplasty."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #16 November 20, 2007 QuoteOn Nov. 11, six volunteer firefighters from Lacolle, Que., were called to help fight a fire at a historic hotel called Anchorage Inn in Rouses Point, N.Y. A U.S. border guard held them up for several minutes while he checked their identification. By the time the firefighters reached the hotel, the building had burned to the ground. There is a bilateral agreement that allows Canadian firefighters to respond to U.S. emergencies, but New York officials said the guard was probably unaware of it. Isn't it unbelievable that in the same state that 9/11 took place they don't even have firefighters to deal with a little fire? They have to rely on Canadian volunteer fire fighters.... This isn't about socialized health care, it is about emergency medicine and availability. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #17 November 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteOn Nov. 11, six volunteer firefighters from Lacolle, Que., were called to help fight a fire at a historic hotel called Anchorage Inn in Rouses Point, N.Y. A U.S. border guard held them up for several minutes while he checked their identification. By the time the firefighters reached the hotel, the building had burned to the ground. There is a bilateral agreement that allows Canadian firefighters to respond to U.S. emergencies, but New York officials said the guard was probably unaware of it. Isn't it unbelievable that in the same state that 9/11 took place they don't even have firefighters to deal with a little fire? They have to rely on Canadian volunteer fire fighters.... This isn't about socialized health care, it is about emergency medicine and availability. Emergency medicine is part of health care, correct?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #18 November 20, 2007 QuoteEmergency medicine is part of health care, correct? Correct. However, the incident this thread is about is about an emergency transfer for emergency treatment, really doens't have anything to do with socialized health care. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #19 November 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteEmergency medicine is part of health care, correct? Correct. However, the incident this thread is about is about an emergency transfer for emergency treatment, really doens't have anything to do with socialized health care. Except for the little fact that the care should be available, like it is here, but IS NOT. Good system.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 42 #20 November 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteEmergency medicine is part of health care, correct? Correct. However, the incident this thread is about is about an emergency transfer for emergency treatment, really doens't have anything to do with socialized health care. Except for the little fact that the care should be available, like it is here, but IS NOT. Good system. Care is available in Canada, unfortunately not all hospitals are equal in terms of ability to care for all situations. Your post seems to indicate that in the USA all hospitals everywhere had the same level of doctors, the same level of capacity, and the same level of care no matter where they are located. I wish this was true in Canada but unfortunately we have a population less than that of California but with over 24 times the size. As such it is often the case that not all hospitals have same levels of expertise. Some how, even with this issue, Canada still has a lower infant mortality and a higher life expectancy than the USA. We must be doing something right."Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #21 November 20, 2007 >Windsor to Detroit= 10min (+ the border). >Windsor to Toronto= several hours. There ya go with those 'facts' again. Why don't you go with your gut? I hear there are more nerve endings there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #22 November 20, 2007 >Except for the little fact that the care should be available, like it is here, >but IS NOT. If you got hurt in Anza-Borrego, would you remain there until a doctor appeared - or would you make the few-hour car (or ambulance) ride to, say, Yuma or San Diego? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #23 November 20, 2007 QuoteExcept for the little fact that the care should be available, like it is here, but IS NOT. Good system. This case doesn't say anything about the system. California wildfires required the help of Canadian water bombers. Does that mean their firefighting system is flawed? An up State New York city required the help of Canadian volunteer firefighters with a fire. Does that mean the states fire fighting services are completely off? (never mind all the americans who buy their medications in Canada) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #24 November 20, 2007 Quote>Except for the little fact that the care should be available, like it is here, >but IS NOT. If you got hurt in Anza-Borrego, would you remain there until a doctor appeared - or would you make the few-hour car (or ambulance) ride to, say, Yuma or San Diego? Hypothetically, IF I was practicing 20way in Coolidge in 1990 prior to texas 20 way comps - and IF I got bit by a rattler in Coolidge, I'd likely sit in the riggers trailer for a bit while we talk to doctors on the phone. He might cut me a little and use a bite kit suction cup on the cut. THEN, we'd hop in a van and drive to Casa Grande where they'd thaw out some anti-venin and ex-ray the dead diamondback/greenmojave and scare the nurses with it. Likely a doctor will then ask - "Who SLASHED you?" thus focusing on something he had no control over and then doing nothing at all. Very dramatic. asshole. THEN, they'd do more of not anything and I'd get helicoptered to the poison center in Phoenix. where they'd fix me up fine That's what I'd do. Hypothetically. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #25 November 20, 2007 Quote>Except for the little fact that the care should be available, like it is here, >but IS NOT. If you got hurt in Anza-Borrego, would you remain there until a doctor appeared - or would you make the few-hour car (or ambulance) ride to, say, Yuma or San Diego? I guess that would depend on what I was doing. I know one thing for sure, though; I wouldn't go to Mexacali.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
