Neighbor Guns Down Robbers with Shotgun while on with 911

[Zipp0 1]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/17/national/main3517564.shtml?source=mostpop_story

Maybe he should have held them at gunpoint, but maybe they charged him or threatened him somehow. Either way, I support his actions. Had he not done anything, this would be yet another unsolved crime that the police don't even attempt to solve. Who knows what these crooks might have done next. Both had priors for drugs.

2 scumbags off the streets, permanently. Maybe the cops will work on reducing that 911 response time. That might have prevented the shootings, or maybe the police would have been on the trigger.

They would have tazed the shit outta them, at least.

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[Channman 2]

Well, I personnally would not charge the man. But I think its very possible a Grand Jury will bring charges against him.

[Zipp0 1]

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Well, I personnally would not charge the man. But I think its very possible a Grand Jury will bring charges against him.

It IS Texas, so maybe not.

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[BillyVance 34]

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Well, I personnally would not charge the man. But I think its very possible a Grand Jury will bring charges against him.

It IS Texas, so maybe not.

Were those two victims illegal Mexican immigrants? If yes, let him go.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[Flacid_Monk 0]

WTF

So it's ok to kill people for burglary now is it?

It wasn't anything to do with him, he wasn't in any danger if he stayed in his own house, the police were on their way... he should be tried for murder

[DZJ 0]

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Under Texas law, people may use deadly force to protect their own property or to stop arson, burglary, robbery, theft or criminal mischief at night.

Criminal mischief? Has anyone the foggiest idea what that mean?

[kelpdiver 2]

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Under Texas law, people may use deadly force to protect their own property or to stop arson, burglary, robbery, theft or criminal mischief at night.

Criminal mischief? Has anyone the foggiest idea what that mean?

I'm sure it is defined by the same Texas code of law.

[Amazon 7]

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Under Texas law, people may use deadly force to protect their own property or to stop arson, burglary, robbery, theft or criminal mischief at night.

Kewl.. the death penalty taken to new heights......only in Texas.

[ryoder 1,590]

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Under Texas law, people may use deadly force to protect their own property or to stop arson, burglary, robbery, theft or criminal mischief at night.

Criminal mischief? Has anyone the foggiest idea what that mean?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_Mischief

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[kallend 2,026]

Shotguns are a better choice than handguns for home defense, IMO.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[ryoder 1,590]

I find it hard to believe, but it looks like TX law may justify his actions:
http://www.self-defender.net/law3.htm

Personally, I find what the guy did indefensible.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[rushmc 23]

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I find it hard to believe, but it looks like TX law may justify his actions:
http://www.self-defender.net/law3.htm

Personally, I find what the guy did indefensible.

I for one am dam glad you are not a judge

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Flacid_Monk 0]

it appears you live in a country where you can kill people for simply doing wrong..... doesn't make it right though

[Channman 2]

Per your profile, it appears you don't live in a country, well at least one that has a name.

[BillyVance 34]

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it appears you live in a country where you can kill people for simply doing wrong..... doesn't make it right though

That's the way it was done in the old west. Maybe Texas is still lagging behind the rest of the US in proper justice...

But yeah, I think the neighbor pumping buckshot into lethal locations on the two poor bastards was over doing it. Why not just shoot them in the lower legs? They're not going anywhere after that.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[Channman 2]

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Well, I personnally would not charge the man. But I think its very possible a Grand Jury will bring charges against him.

It IS Texas, so maybe not.

I think and maybe our lawyer friend can provide some answers, but the lengthy conversation of the dispatcher asking the man not to go outside with the gun will be some pretty damning evidence against him. (I think that was a run on sentance)

I sure this is not the first time these men have caused a family financial hardship, fear that there home is no longer safe. These men paid the ultimate price for their crime, but Pasadena and the Houston area is a little safer because they no longer walk the earth.

[rushmc 23]

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it appears you live in a country where you can kill people for simply doing wrong..... doesn't make it right though

As apposed to what? Kiss the ass of the criminal? Slapping him on the hand and say please do not do it again??

Look, take a peek at the countries with the lowest crime rates and see what punishment they have for steeling. Not saying that is right either but, well, just take a look and report back .

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[ryoder 1,590]

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I find it hard to believe, but it looks like TX law may justify his actions:
http://www.self-defender.net/law3.htm

Personally, I find what the guy did indefensible.

I for one am dam glad you are not a judge

The general principle of self-defense is that a private citizen can use deadly force to protect himself or a third-party in the event that bodily injury or death is an imminent threat. There is also the Castle Doctrine that extends this to the home, allowing deadly force to be used when an intruder in attempting to break in. This is logical since an intruder breaking into an occupied home will soon be coming face to face with the occupants, presenting a threat to them. Some states have also extended that to enclosed vehicles.

Now how does the burglary of an unoccupied home presents a threat of bodily injury to anyone?

What the guy did was act as judge, jury, and executioner over a burglary. What if he had been mistaken about what he was seeing, and in fact what was actually happening was a neighbor breaking into his own house because he lost his keys? At night, that could easily happen.

Self-defense law is intended to excuse a violent act when it is necessary to protect life and limb. What I read in this article was vigilantism.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[rushmc 23]

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I find it hard to believe, but it looks like TX law may justify his actions:
http://www.self-defender.net/law3.htm

Personally, I find what the guy did indefensible.

I for one am dam glad you are not a judge

The general principle of self-defense is that a private citizen can use deadly force to protect himself or a third-party in the event that bodily injury or death is an imminent threat. There is also the Castle Doctrine that extends this to the home, allowing deadly force to be used when an intruder in attempting to break in. This is logical since an intruder breaking into an occupied home will soon be coming face to face with the occupants, presenting a threat to them. Some states have also extended that to enclosed vehicles.

Now how does the burglary of an unoccupied home presents a threat of bodily injury to anyone?

What the guy did was act as judge, jury, and executioner over a burglary. What if he had been mistaken about what he was seeing, and in fact what was actually happening was a neighbor breaking into his own house because he lost his keys? At night, that could easily happen.

Self-defense law is intended to excuse a violent act when it is necessary to protect life and limb. What I read in this article was vigilantism.

I understand your point and you made it well. What I am trying to point out that you, as do many on this site, like to rush to a judgment with info from only the first media story. While I may have pushed the point a little, I for one will wait and see what more comes out of this in the next few days. Usually, the story line changes substantially. A good judge, would do the same

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kelpdiver 2]

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I understand your point and you made it well. What I am trying to point out that you, as do many on this site, like to rush to a judgment with info from only the first media story. While I may have pushed the point a little, I for one will wait and see what more comes out of this in the next few days. Usually, the story line changes substantially. A good judge, would do the same

in this case, a transcript is published. Not sure how much the facts will change. It seems to come down to is it bad for him to confront someone that was damaging his neighbor. I like neighbors myself. Not stopping them only encourages them to rob you next.

[jenfly00 0]

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it appears you live in a country where you can kill people for simply doing wrong..... doesn't make it right though

As apposed to what? Kiss the ass of the criminal? Slapping him on the hand and say please do not do it again??

Look, take a peek at the countries with the lowest crime rates and see what punishment they have for steeling. Not saying that is right either but, well, just take a look and report back .

“I am the punishment of God...If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.” -Ghengis Kahn

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[rushmc 23]

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it appears you live in a country where you can kill people for simply doing wrong..... doesn't make it right though

As apposed to what? Kiss the ass of the criminal? Slapping him on the hand and say please do not do it again??

Look, take a peek at the countries with the lowest crime rates and see what punishment they have for steeling. Not saying that is right either but, well, just take a look and report back .

“I am the punishment of God...If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.” -Ghengis Kahn

Wow

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[warpedskydiver 0]

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Shotguns are a better choice than handguns for home defense, IMO.

How do you know, just assume the snivel position on the floor and maybe your neighbors will call 911.

[freethefly 6]

After hearing the actual 911 call on the news a couple of days ago it was appearant that this bozo was just itching to kill someone.The guy sounded like a nutcase when he says "Boom, your dead".
This guy went outside to do only one thing and that was to kill someone who was not a threat to him. He had only one thing in mind and that was to murder someone. He planned his action before he stepped out the door and then executed that action by pulling the trigger. He committed first degree murder. THe guy he killed may had been a thief but this guy is far worst by his glee to be so anxious to kill someone. Mind you, I would had a different opinion had the burgler came into this guys house and then was shot.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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House burglary is dangerous in Texas.

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