Zipp0 1 #76 November 23, 2007 I hope that cop dies of dick cancer or something worse. What a piece of shit. Just hand him the fucking ticket and go about your business. The dude wasn't raping a nun, he was speeding, which we all do. Out of control cops are garbage. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #77 November 23, 2007 I'm sure no one will accept this context, but; The officer obviously overreacted. However, not long before the time this stop occurred, another officer had been shot and killed along that same stretch of road. The area is an area filled with right-wing fundamentalists, most of whom not only are armed, but often carry weapons in plain view. The area is also on the fringe of the Duchesne reservation where "moonshine" runners buy alcohol outside the area and run it into the reservation to sell are common, and have attacked officers in the past. Not justifying the officers actions, but I do understand why he was edgy. He expected a level of compliance and the guy was an asshole. I'm guessing that given the attitude presented, the officer felt that a straightforward arrest wasn't going to happen, yet he's in an extremely remote area where backup is not an option. Additionally Utah allegedly uses the least/lowest power available for tasering, and obviously it didn't really do much to this guy, he's talking immediately after he hit the ground. Dunno if the context alters any perspectives or not... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #78 November 23, 2007 Well, our soldiers in Iraq are edgy (and they should be) and we don't let them open fire whenever they feel the slightest inkling of the start of a threat. So really it shouldn't matter if they just arrested Al Capone 5 minutes earlier after picking him up for speeding wearing a disguise. This cop is an ass. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #79 November 23, 2007 Here there are two different things: detaining someone (cuffs on) then release if everything checks out - which they ususally know about you before they even get to your door. arrest = jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misaltas 0 #80 November 23, 2007 So, someone who thinks cops should be killed for being cops, rails against a cop for being too jumpy in a remote, resistive, outnumbered situation. The irony may sink in someday.Ohne Liebe sind wir nichts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #81 November 23, 2007 On the topic of whether the signature is mandatory, I didn't find the UT code, but the CA code is quite clear; Sign the ticket, or the cop must haul you in. See item "(b)": http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d17/vc40302.htm"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #82 November 23, 2007 QuoteSo, someone who thinks cops should be killed for being cops, rails against a cop for being too jumpy in a remote, resistive, outnumbered situation. The irony may sink in someday. I couldn't agree more. The stupid wife in this video is lucky she didn't get shot while the officer was trying to keep the situation under control. She got out of the vehicle what...2 times? Additionally, the guy didn't put his car into park, he had it in reverse. I don't agree with the use of the taser, but I can see how the officer was fearful he was losing control of the situation. The guy walked off, he was belligerent, he had his hand hidden, his car was still running. Contrary to someone saying the officer turned his back on the guy, watch the video again. The officer never turned his back, and clearly has his eyes on the driver even when putting the clipboard down on the car. The officer is *not* required to read you your rights in a traffic stop, nor if you're being taken to jail, unless there are additional circumstances. The officer overreacted, IMO, but the driver was an asshole, and continued to be an asshole the entire time, disobeying the officer at every point. Several of my family members are in law enforcement, one of them has been non-fatally shot, and I'm proud of what they do. Being a cop isn't easy. Judgement calls in very difficult situations can be the wrong ones, not much different from the ones we make in terms of decision time. Sometimes, they're gonna screw up. Guaranteed. Just like some of us do from time to time. Wishing a horrible death on an officer due to a questionable action is asinine, IMO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #83 November 23, 2007 Here is another forum where this incident is being discussed. It goes on for six pages, but I would recommend just reading the posts of "Dark Blue". He is a cop and has interesting and critical comments about the actions of both the motorist and the cop: http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?s=35d7373f3be1cef79b23b4cf27c139e8&t=20612"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #84 November 23, 2007 QuoteIt's real simple out there kids. If a cop stops you and orders you to do something, just do it. Bullshit! Would you allow the police to search your car during a routine traffic stop? I've forced a cop to call in drug dogs and a good number of officers after a refusal to allow him to search my car. 3 to 4 hours later and most likely a lot of the taxpayers money being wasted, they fucktard gave me my ticket and i was out of there laughing my ass off at what a bunch of Barney Fifes they were. They cop told me that I could had saved them a lot of time had I only let him search my car. I told him to fuck himself, took my ticket and left. My lawyer got it reduced to a parking ticket. Sure, I could had let that bozo search my car but why?"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #85 November 23, 2007 Hey, if you've done nothing wrong......etc.... {sarcasm....just in case} (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #86 November 23, 2007 QuoteQuote***It's real simple out there kids. If a cop stops you and orders you to do something, just do it. Bullshit! Would you allow the police to search your car during a routine traffic stop? I've forced a cop to call in drug dogs and a good number of officers after a refusal to allow him to search my car. 3 to 4 hours later and most likely a lot of the taxpayers money being wasted, they fucktard gave me my ticket and i was out of there laughing my ass off at what a bunch of Barney Fifes they were. They cop told me that I could had saved them a lot of time had I only let him search my car. I told him to fuck himself, took my ticket and left. My lawyer got it reduced to a parking ticket. Sure, I could had let that bozo search my car but why? Why be like that to them? Just because you can? My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #87 November 23, 2007 QuoteWishing a horrible death on an officer due to a questionable action is asinine, I agree with that. My nephew is a cop and I would hope no one shoots him. He is a good cop and has told us stories about some very fucked up cops around KC. He puts all of his stops on DVD. I've seen some real assholes on those and Ryan, calm, cool and collected takes control easily by being calm and reasonable. I might not have so much patience as he does. The funniest one is when he follows an ederly asian man who rolled through a red light. He follows the guy to a house and then confronts him. The guy starts swinging punches and Ryan picks the guy up and holds him at arms length (Ryan is about 6'5" and weighs over 300 pounds. You would be a fool to fuck with him). The guy still throwing punches when his family comes out to see what is going on. Ryan explains to them what he did and they talk to him in their native language. He calms down and Ryan gives him a warning and explains to his family that he needs to understand the law and what his duty is. All went well and Ryan was on his way. Need more cops like Ryan."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #88 November 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote***It's real simple out there kids. If a cop stops you and orders you to do something, just do it. Bullshit! Would you allow the police to search your car during a routine traffic stop? I've forced a cop to call in drug dogs and a good number of officers after a refusal to allow him to search my car. 3 to 4 hours later and most likely a lot of the taxpayers money being wasted, they fucktard gave me my ticket and i was out of there laughing my ass off at what a bunch of Barney Fifes they were. They cop told me that I could had saved them a lot of time had I only let him search my car. I told him to fuck himself, took my ticket and left. My lawyer got it reduced to a parking ticket. Sure, I could had let that bozo search my car but why? Why be like that to them? Just because you can? Why do they need to search for a simple speeding ticket. For the chance that they may find a joint? Bullshit. If all i did was go a few miles over the limit that does not warrent a search of my personal belongings"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,490 #89 November 23, 2007 QuoteI couldn't agree more. The stupid wife in this video is lucky she didn't get shot while the officer was trying to keep the situation under control. She got out of the vehicle what...2 times? It really, really, really says something about the culture that you live in that a hysterical, visibly pregnant woman is lucky not to get shot by an officer of the law for having the temerity to get out of her car! That is not an acceptable state of affairs, m'kay.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,490 #90 November 23, 2007 QuoteWhy be like that to them? Just because you can? Umm, maybe a little something called exercising your rights? If no-one never exercises their rights (in this case, telling a cop "No, I have the right to refuse that request") then it won't take long for the police to get used to being able to do just whatever the hell they want to you and your property. Lets look at it from the other angle - why did the cop insist on going through all that hassle? Did he think he had a god-given right to search through freethefly's property?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #91 November 23, 2007 Stop making sense... you'll get us a bad name (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,490 #92 November 23, 2007 Quote Stop making sense... you'll get us a bad name Just wait till I show them my teeth!Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #93 November 23, 2007 Quote Quote Stop making sense... you'll get us a bad name Just wait till I show them my teeth! In which case a body cavity search may be in order. Shall we call in the dogs?"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #94 November 23, 2007 (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #95 November 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote***Quote***It's real simple out there kids. If a cop stops you and orders you to do something, just do it. Why be like that to them? Just because you can? Why do they need to search for a simple speeding ticket. For the chance that they may find a joint? Bullshit. If all i did was go a few miles over the limit that does not warrent a search of my personal belongings So this cop just pulled over an innocent looking guy for speeding and without any reason just arbitrarily decided to search the car? I have never in my life had that happen so I tend to suspect that as with most stories nlike this there is more to the story. There was nothing you did at all to make him suspicious of you? My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,490 #96 November 23, 2007 QuoteSo this cop just pulled over an innocent looking guy for speeding and without any reason just arbitrarily decided to search the car? Heh, how do you define innocent looking! How scruffy/shifty/hippy/trenchcoated etc. does someone have to 'look' to be reasonable grounds for a search of private property? QuoteI have never in my life had that happen so I tend to suspect that as with most stories nlike this there is more to the story. You are only one data point. I've never been pulled over for speeding at all, but I believe that it happens.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Richards 0 #97 November 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhy be like that to them? Just because you can? Umm, maybe a little something called exercising your rights? If no-one never exercises their rights (in this case, telling a cop "No, I have the right to refuse that request") then it won't take long for the police to get used to being able to do just whatever the hell they want to you and your property. I guess I have dealt with different cops than you. The ones I have run across would not do such a thing unless some circumstances gave them a hell of a reason to be suspicious. Why are we all so afraid of the cops? Why make thier lives a living hell? QuoteLets look at it from the other angle - why did the cop insist on going through all that hassle? Did he think he had a god-given right to search through freethefly's property? Maybe the cop knew him. Maybe the cop ran his plate and based on what he saw figured there was a damn good reason to search. No offence to freethefly but by his own admission he has multiple DUI's, and beat the shit out of a guy in road rage. In my experience it as always people who frequently put themselves in the way of the law that are the ones that have these "abuse of power" anectdotes. I have ran into one dickhead cop in my life and one that was a mild jerk. Nobody who I know tat obeys the law has had a problem yet my friends with criminal records seem to always have them. My point is, that I doubt the cop just pulled over a guy for going ten over the limet and saw him on the way to school or church and said "wow...I feel like flexing my authority for no other reason than I can". Something must have made the cop curious. Why handcuff them? My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DSE 5 #98 November 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteI couldn't agree more. The stupid wife in this video is lucky she didn't get shot while the officer was trying to keep the situation under control. She got out of the vehicle what...2 times? It really, really, really says something about the culture that you live in that a hysterical, visibly pregnant woman is lucky not to get shot by an officer of the law for having the temerity to get out of her car! That is not an acceptable state of affairs, m'kay. A visibly pregnant hysterical woman is just as likely (if not more likely) to shoot an officer that has just tased her husband. She was hysterical, screaming, and for all anyone knows, she had access to a weapon. In that part of the state, it's the rule, not the exception. What isn't an acceptable state of affairs is a hysterical woman getting out of her car after being ordered to stay in the vehicle, mm'kay? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 801 #99 November 23, 2007 simply being poor in this country seems to be sufficient cause for suspicion... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riddler 0 #100 November 23, 2007 Let's not forget this is Utah We were once pulled over by Utah SP because his car was on the shoulder of the road, and we failed to move into the fast-lane to give him space. Apparently, it's a law there that you have to get into the outer lane to give them space. He was pulling over people all day - he was pretty much a jerk, as well. My guess is if he only had a gun, he would NOT have shot the guy. Beat him with a baton, maybe, and laugh about it afterwards, probably. Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Next Page 4 of 10 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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jakee 1,490 #96 November 23, 2007 QuoteSo this cop just pulled over an innocent looking guy for speeding and without any reason just arbitrarily decided to search the car? Heh, how do you define innocent looking! How scruffy/shifty/hippy/trenchcoated etc. does someone have to 'look' to be reasonable grounds for a search of private property? QuoteI have never in my life had that happen so I tend to suspect that as with most stories nlike this there is more to the story. You are only one data point. I've never been pulled over for speeding at all, but I believe that it happens.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #97 November 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhy be like that to them? Just because you can? Umm, maybe a little something called exercising your rights? If no-one never exercises their rights (in this case, telling a cop "No, I have the right to refuse that request") then it won't take long for the police to get used to being able to do just whatever the hell they want to you and your property. I guess I have dealt with different cops than you. The ones I have run across would not do such a thing unless some circumstances gave them a hell of a reason to be suspicious. Why are we all so afraid of the cops? Why make thier lives a living hell? QuoteLets look at it from the other angle - why did the cop insist on going through all that hassle? Did he think he had a god-given right to search through freethefly's property? Maybe the cop knew him. Maybe the cop ran his plate and based on what he saw figured there was a damn good reason to search. No offence to freethefly but by his own admission he has multiple DUI's, and beat the shit out of a guy in road rage. In my experience it as always people who frequently put themselves in the way of the law that are the ones that have these "abuse of power" anectdotes. I have ran into one dickhead cop in my life and one that was a mild jerk. Nobody who I know tat obeys the law has had a problem yet my friends with criminal records seem to always have them. My point is, that I doubt the cop just pulled over a guy for going ten over the limet and saw him on the way to school or church and said "wow...I feel like flexing my authority for no other reason than I can". Something must have made the cop curious. Why handcuff them? My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #98 November 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteI couldn't agree more. The stupid wife in this video is lucky she didn't get shot while the officer was trying to keep the situation under control. She got out of the vehicle what...2 times? It really, really, really says something about the culture that you live in that a hysterical, visibly pregnant woman is lucky not to get shot by an officer of the law for having the temerity to get out of her car! That is not an acceptable state of affairs, m'kay. A visibly pregnant hysterical woman is just as likely (if not more likely) to shoot an officer that has just tased her husband. She was hysterical, screaming, and for all anyone knows, she had access to a weapon. In that part of the state, it's the rule, not the exception. What isn't an acceptable state of affairs is a hysterical woman getting out of her car after being ordered to stay in the vehicle, mm'kay? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #99 November 23, 2007 simply being poor in this country seems to be sufficient cause for suspicion... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #100 November 23, 2007 Let's not forget this is Utah We were once pulled over by Utah SP because his car was on the shoulder of the road, and we failed to move into the fast-lane to give him space. Apparently, it's a law there that you have to get into the outer lane to give them space. He was pulling over people all day - he was pretty much a jerk, as well. My guess is if he only had a gun, he would NOT have shot the guy. Beat him with a baton, maybe, and laugh about it afterwards, probably. Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
