Won't sign a traffic ticket? That's a tasering!

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I guess that's a pretty common stereotype of cops except the ones I know personally aren't like that. They all have the approach that only the obvious will give them cause for a search such as paraphernalia laying in the open, overwhelming smell of drugs or alcohol, or a person VERY obviously stoned. They don't want to waste their time searching unless they are pretty sure they will find something more than just a joint or two. But, at the same time, if a driver gives them a hard time by being sarcastic or disrespectful then they have no problem making absolutely sure...within the law...that they are an honest law abiding citizen. More times than not the treatment a person gets from the cops is directly related to how that person acts toward the cops their self.

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I'm confused about something and maybe you can sort it out.
In your earlier post, #155, you said the cop went out of bounds by keeping your car there so they could run a drug dog around it but now you say it was perfectly legal, which it was. Soooo....if it was legal then how was he out of bounds?
You were well within your rights to refuse a search. The cop was within his rights to walk a sniffy pup around your car. You were the reason they spent "hours" searching for something that wasn't there so why bitch about them "wasting" their time even if you were within your rights to cause them to do so?
Sounds like a case where two hard-heads met and parted.

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he stepped out of bounds holding me and wasting thousands of tax dollars in the hope that he may look like a hero.

He was out of bounds to request the search during a simple traffic stop. He had no reason to suspect anything was going on. He never witnessed any illegal activity on my part. He was merely hoping to get lucky fishing where there were no fish.
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You were the reason they spent "hours" searching for something that wasn't there so why bitch about them "wasting" their time even if you were within your rights to cause them to do so?

How am I the reason? Becaused I forced them to play their hand. He didn't need to call for the dog on a speeding ticket (got knocked down to a parking fine). He was out of bounds. Final. I was right. He was wrong. I won.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
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He wasn't out of bounds, he was well within his rights as you pointed out. If had gone ahead and searched inside the car without permission or warrant THEN he would have been out of bounds. There is no right or wrong in your case, only two sides that were both acting within their respective rights.
And you are bitching. You're bitching about them wasting their time and you are bitching about the cops bring a dog out to sniff your fenders.
Do you have a habit of telling a cop to fuck himself when they give you a ticket for a legitimate offense? If so, it is easy to see why they would hassle you like that.

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He wasn't out of bounds, he was well within his rights as you pointed out. If had gone ahead and searched inside the car without permission or warrant THEN he would have been out of bounds. There is no right or wrong in your case, only two sides that were both acting within their respective rights.
And you are bitching. You're bitching about them wasting their time and you are bitching about the cops bring a dog out to sniff your fenders.
Do you have a habit of telling a cop to fuck himself when they give you a ticket for a legitimate offense? If so, it is easy to see why they would hassle you like that.

I'm not bitching. I found it amusing that he would waste the time of the drug task force and the taxpayers money after pulling me over for going a few miles over the speed limit.
For the record, it was yes sir, no sir until he pulled the "if you have nothing to hide" bullshit. When he handed me my ticket it was "Fuck You". No law against telling an asshole to fuck off.
I'm done with you. If you post a reply to this, expect none in return.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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"I found it amusing that he would waste the time of the drug task force and the taxpayers money after pulling me over for going a few miles over the speed limit. "
That, dear sir, is bitching at it's best.

" No law against telling an asshole to fuck off."
Actually, in some states, it is illegal to say that to a cop. Same as flipping off a cop is considered assault.It is considered abusive language.

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" No law against telling an asshole to fuck off."
Actually, in some states, it is illegal to say that to a cop. Same as flipping off a cop is considered assault.It is considered abusive language.

And back to being worthy of a tasering in some peoples minds...

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Yeah, right. I understand you have to make this type of statment publicly ...both you and I know it ain't true

Wow, you should use those powers to read other peoples minds for good, not eeeeevillllllll

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Alan M. Dershowitz, a professor criminallaw at Harvard Law School for 35 years and one of the coutry's leading constitutional scholars testified before congress concerning police perjury.

Oh no, not THE Alan Dershowitz, man ya got me there, a card carrying member of the ACLU believing bad things about law enforcement, say it ain't so!!!
I'll use the ivory towers defense with him. And if he says and beleives it, it must be true

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Police Officers are almost taught how to commit perjury when they are in the Police Academy

How do you almost teach somebody something?. I think I passed my perjury block in the academy 20 yrs ago.

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·Police perjury is not anecdotal. Many commission reports prove rampant abuses in police departments throughout the United States

2 out of 3 moms think jiffy tastes best! The wording is a little broad at best, still does'nt prove anything.

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If you prefer his exact statement to congress, check here:

They are just that, statements and opinion. You and I have those too, they just happen to be different.

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So, either you are one of the most totally clueless police officers in the country about what is going on

Aw man, ya got me again, if I only would have known.

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why don't you just STFU and at cling to some level of integrity in your silence

The true colors start to show, when I say things you don't like you say STFU, did it take you a long time to come up with that? I love some "progressives", they feel the louder they scream the more sense they make

And sweetie, I've spent 20 yrs building upon a strong foundation of integrity given to me by my parents, I sleep just great at night.

The sole purpose of the ACLU is to defend the constitution. My question to you is, as a cop, why are you not a member? Alan Dershowitz is a constitutional scholar who strongly believes in the constitution ...and you belittle him for this????

Sociopaths sleep well at night. It is not a testiment to their character, however.

So much for your integrity. Thank you for testilying.

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The sole purpose of the ACLU is to defend the constitution.

Except for that pesky 2nd Amendment, of course...

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I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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The sole purpose of the ACLU is to defend the constitution.

Except for that pesky 2nd Amendment, of course...

I believe nightingale adequately answered this the last time you popped it up. Nice try though.

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The sole purpose of the ACLU is to defend the constitution.

Except for that pesky 2nd Amendment, of course...

I believe nightingale adequately answered this the last time you popped it up. Nice try though.

Oddly enough, she was agreeing with me in her post...

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That's sort of the point - the same groups that howl over violations of the other 9 amendments in the BOR are strangely quiet over violations of the 2nd...

Exactly. Personally, I howl over violations of any of the ten amendments in the bill of rights... and then try to do something about it. I think the second amendment is probably the most important, because it gives us the means to enforce the other nine rather than rely on the graciousness of the government to allow us to keep our rights.

Funny how all the REST of the rights in the BOR are individual, but that one somehow isn't, in their opinion. The writings of the founders, as well as study by Constitutional scholars and doctors of experts in English language usage show that the 2nd was/is meant as an individual, not a collective, right.

"A well trained chef, being necessary to the preparation of a tasty meal, the right of the people to eat baked alaska shall not be infringed"

By the collectivists' logic, the chef gets the dessert and not the folks sitting at the dinner table.

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I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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The sole purpose of the ACLU is to defend the constitution.

Except for that pesky 2nd Amendment, of course...

I believe nightingale adequately answered this the last time you popped it up. Nice try though.

Oddly enough, she was agreeing with me in her post...

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That's sort of the point - the same groups that howl over violations of the other 9 amendments in the BOR are strangely quiet over violations of the 2nd...

Exactly. Personally, I howl over violations of any of the ten amendments in the bill of rights... and then try to do something about it. I think the second amendment is probably the most important, because it gives us the means to enforce the other nine rather than rely on the graciousness of the government to allow us to keep our rights.

Funny how all the REST of the rights in the BOR are individual, but that one somehow isn't, in their opinion. The writings of the founders, as well as study by Constitutional scholars and doctors of experts in English language usage show that the 2nd was/is meant as an individual, not a collective, right.

"A well trained chef, being necessary to the preparation of a tasty meal, the right of the people to eat baked alaska shall not be infringed"

By the collectivists' logic, the chef gets the dessert and not the folks sitting at the dinner table.

I have no problem with the 2nd ammendment and I own several guns.

I do have a problem with those too simple minded to understand there is other really important stuff in our constitution.

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I do have a problem with those too simple minded to understand there is other really important stuff in our constitution.

and who are those people? (well, I'll grant a lot of people are weak on the 1st)

There's no question that that ACLU protect 90% of the Bill of Rights, and is hostile to 10%. For those of us that believe that 10% is as important as the ACLU in protecting the 90%, that's enough reason not to support them.

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But, at the same time, if a driver gives them a hard time by being sarcastic or disrespectful then they have no problem making absolutely sure...within the law...that they are an honest law abiding citizen. More times than not the treatment a person gets from the cops is directly related to how that person acts toward the cops their self.

In other words, if the cop thinks you're being an ass, he'll do everything in his power (backed up with a gun and license to kill) to be an ass in return? Yeah, his example proves this. A simple minded conclusion would be two wrongs make a right, but the reality is that the cop is supposed to hold to a higher standard.

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I do have a problem with those too simple minded to understand there is other really important stuff in our constitution.

and who are those people? (well, I'll grant a lot of people are weak on the 1st)

There's no question that that ACLU protect 90% of the Bill of Rights, and is hostile to 10%. For those of us that believe that 10% is as important as the ACLU in protecting the 90%, that's enough reason not to support them.

I was referring to some prolific posters here who wave the flag over the 2nd ammendment and wipe their collective asses on the rest of the Bill of Rights ...particularly the first, fourth, sixth and eighth.

To respond to your statement "ACLU protect 90% of the Bill of Rights, and is hostile to 10%", you are incorrect.

"The national ACLU is neutral on the issue of gun control. We believe that the Constitution contains no barriers to reasonable regulations of gun ownership. If we can license and register cars, we can license and register guns."

http://www.aclu.org/police/gen/14523res20020304.html

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I do have a problem with those too simple minded to understand there is other really important stuff in our constitution.

and who are those people? (well, I'll grant a lot of people are weak on the 1st)

There's no question that that ACLU protect 90% of the Bill of Rights, and is hostile to 10%. For those of us that believe that 10% is as important as the ACLU in protecting the 90%, that's enough reason not to support them.

1. Not true

2. Do you throw away babies with bathwater? In general terms the ACLU does a better job than ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION in defending the people from government over-reaching.

3. Someone (very strong gun rights guy) posted just last week about "Chapter 10" of the Constitution.

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Do you throw away babies with bathwater?

very common SCorner tactic - and philosphy of many posters

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"The national ACLU is neutral on the issue of gun control. We believe that the Constitution contains no barriers to reasonable regulations of gun ownership. If we can license and register cars, we can license and register guns."

http://www.aclu.org/police/gen/14523res20020304.html

That isn't a neutral position, that is a highly hostile one. One not supported by historical evidence. So again we have the ACLU finding a state's right in the midst of protections for individuals.

sorry, this confirms what we know - the leadership of the ACLU will compromise its integrity due to political considerations. There's an interesting little subthread in one of the other current topics about a ban on criticizing the ACLU board.

So the ACLU will fight for the right of so called Nazis to march in Skokee, but fuck those poor people in DC who can't defend themselves. Their right, but they won't be getting any support from me. The EFF will make better use of it.

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The sole purpose of the ACLU is to defend the constitution.

Their charter may say that however, they also push an extreme left wing political aganda. This agenda can't be advanced politcally, so they (try) to push it using the courts.

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My question to you is, as a cop, why are you not a member?

See above

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Alan Dershowitz is a constitutional scholar who strongly believes in the constitution

He is also a defense attorney, I've had these guys let their clients (or them) make absolute false statements about me or situations I've been involved in. That's lying.......... perjury......no wait, that's a defense, so that makes it okay. You don't like cops, I generally don't care for defense attorneys. To some it's all about making money.

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Sociopaths sleep well at night

Kinda shows the depth of your arguments, at least now your trying (just slightly) to veil your insults.

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Thank you for testilying

That is some funny stuff, I've been doing this for a long time, and I've never heard that word (seriously), must be an east coast thing.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

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but fuck those poor people***

No way man, that's not the ACLU, that's NAMBLA

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

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they[ACLU) also push an extreme left wing political aganda

Damn boy, did you grow up hating all them pinko, commie faggots or what?

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You don't like cops

Sigh, I understand your simple mind has no alternative but to make that connection. I report a truth known to all cops and the reason must be ...I reakon that there bitch don't like cops. I understand you are serious, that's what's so sad.

With objectivity like that, I have no doubt you will continue to bring untarnished, truthful law enforcement to Buttfuck, KY. I'm done with you.

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The driver was nor bewildered, just belligerent.

I liked how after the cop told twice him to turn around, he did, at which point the cop told him to turn around again. Then later, the cop tells the wife "He should have signed the citation. And he should have turned around when I told him to turn around." Apparently forgetting the guy DID turn around!

That driver was obnoxious but not the least bit threatening. The cop was an overly aggressive idiot. Hopefully he's looked for work that better suits his skills. I hear the parking lot at Home Depot is hiring.

Blues,
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"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
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The driver was nor bewildered, just belligerent.

I liked how after the cop told twice him to turn around, he did, at which point the cop told him to turn around again. Then later, the cop tells the wife "He should have signed the citation. And he should have turned around when I told him to turn around." Apparently forgetting the guy DID turn around!

That driver was obnoxious but not the least bit threatening. The cop was an overly aggressive idiot. Hopefully he's looked for work that better suits his skills. I hear the parking lot at Home Depot is hiring.

Blues,
Dave

You are right. He did turn around after being told twice. He should have done it the first time he was told. But then, after he turned around, he started walking back to his car. He also did not put his hands behind his back like the officer told him. Instead he kept reaching into his pocket, an act most cops take VERY seriously when in a situation where the person is being uncooperative.

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Impressive how much clearer your point is with the personal attacks added in.

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Damn boy, did you grow up hating all them pinko, commie faggots or what?

I detest communism in any form, I also dislike the government taking control of every aspect of my day to day life.
I can think of a few guys that got together a while ago and drafted a document to prevent that from happening.......hmmmmm

From your posts I drew a conclusion that you may not like cops much. If I'm wrong then I was in error, but I beleive that conclusion to be somewhat accurate.

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I understand your simple mind has no alternative but to make that connection. I report a truth known to all cops and the reason must be ...I reakon that there bitch don't like cops. I understand you are serious, that's what's so sad.

I'll stop the sarcasm and just say I thought you could do way better than that.

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With objectivity like that, I have no doubt you will continue to bring untarnished, truthful law enforcement to Buttfuck, KY. I'm done with you

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I think your done because you can't hang with a cop from Kentucky. The scary thing is if this was the bonfire at the DZ, we'd probably drink a few beers and have a good time.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

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***You are right. He did turn around after being told twice. He should have done it the first time he was told. But then, after he turned around, he started walking back to his car. He also did not put his hands behind his back like the officer told him. Instead he kept reaching into his pocket, an act most cops take VERY seriously when in a situation where the person is being uncooperative.

Bingo!!!!

After the Taser incident and backup arrived, the cop also checked under the drivers seat for a weapon.

How did the cop know the hot head driver wasn't going for his own Taser, pepper spray, gun, knife etc.

We recently got caught in a similar speed trap. The cops hang out at the reduce speed to 40 mph sign. The locals know about the speed trap but the out of towners are gonna get busted unless the cop is busy with someone else.

What we learned from our incident is once the cop takes your liscense to his car he's going to come back with the ticket already filled out.

Gotta give the cop a outrageous excuse for speeding when you hand him/her your liscense.

Coming back from my girlfriends house and Gotta get home to the wife befor the viagra wears off

My water broke and I'm on the ay to the hospital.

On the way to the hospital because I tried to pee in a bottle and my dick got stuck

Joking is better than bitching with the man

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