billvon 2,991 #201 December 13, 2007 >I have a question Bill, is it a lie to keep repeating the words of a >study that has been shown to not be true? It may well be a lie in your opinion. You still can't call anyone a liar. You may honestly feel someone else is a bigot. You still can't call them a bigot. You may feel someone here acts exactly like a nazi. You still can't call them a nazi. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #202 December 13, 2007 Agreed, I just wanted to know about the question I posed, that was all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yarak 0 #203 December 13, 2007 i posed with your mom last nightI'll huff and I'll puff and I'll burn your fucking packing tent down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #204 December 13, 2007 If you knew my mom, you would delete that. She is 73 years old, is in poor health, had seven children, and has to use a walker.She would be offended, and use her cane to permanently crush your nuts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #205 December 13, 2007 Quote The ONLY reason DC is excluded from the analysis is that the survey of % households owning guns was a survey of STATES. If you want to provide the missing data it will be possible to include DC in the plot. I didn't say I had the data; I just wanted to argue.I felt left out, being the only one not arguing with you."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #206 December 13, 2007 Never mess with old Sicilian ladies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #207 December 13, 2007 QuoteThat, ultimately is why I don't own a gun. I am not afraid. Oh, yeah, I felt that way too, being a big guy with karate training...until the night I found myself under attack by a raging lunatic bigger than myself, at the same time I was suffering from heat exhaustion. You'll never understand what it is to need a gun and not have it until it actually happens to you."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #208 December 13, 2007 Great example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #209 December 13, 2007 QuoteThat, ultimately is why I don't own a gun. I am not afraid. Same reason I dont own one.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #210 December 13, 2007 QuoteIt's not my job to ferret out information you won't provide. Nor pay to see it. But keep telling the lies, Goebbel. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's not my job to copy stuff just for your benefit because you're too lazy to do it yourself. I gave an EXACT citation for the original journal article. I gave a link to the gun ownership data. The homicide rates are available from the FBI or DoJ web sites (and many other places besides). I gave links to media articles providing synopses of the journal articles. Calling me a liar and "Goebbels" IS a PA. Typically the PA's come out when one is losing an argument.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #211 December 13, 2007 QuoteOh, Lord...THAT old canard again? Do you wear a seatbelt because you're afraid? Do you have a reserve because you're afraid? Do you carry homeowner's/renter's insurance because you're afraid? Do you have a fire extinguisher in your house because you're afraid? No, most likely not - you have them to be prepared for a situation in which you need them. Owning a gun is no different. Seatbelt, reserve, insurance, etc are not ultimetly designed to kill. A gun is. You are comparing apples to mangos.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #212 December 13, 2007 Quote You may feel someone here acts exactly like a nazi. You still can't call them a nazi. I didn't call him a Nazi. I compared him to one of the great propogandists of all time. Citing multiple sources that all give the same inadequete summary and then declaring this as overwhelming evidence is a perfect demonstration. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #213 December 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteI've had guns for 8 years now. No homicides, no suicides. Of course, I didn't buy them because I was depressed or afraid of my loan shark. I was only afraid of state legislators. You were afraid that a state legislator was going to come kicking down your door, mouth foaming in homicidal rage? Seems unlikely. That, ultimately is why I don't own a gun. I am not afraid. To paraphrase a great movie: "Quite a thing to live in fear isn't it? That's what it is to be slave." I've never lived in fear - it's the great thing about being 6', 200lbs. A luxuxy my 5', 105lb friends don't have. No, my fear is that some day I might need a gun, and I would not be allowed to get it then, or not for 10 days, or perhaps only if I could demonstrate need to their satisfaction (ie, become a Senator) The fool waits until the last second to prepare. You can call 911 and wait 15 (or 100 minutes). I can be prepared in 1 or 2. And since 1999, gun choices have dropped substantially, prices have increased substantially. Legislation slowed down for a spell, but Arnold now seems prepared to sign anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #214 December 13, 2007 QuoteQuote You may feel someone here acts exactly like a nazi. You still can't call them a nazi. I didn't call him a Nazi. I compared him to one of the great propogandists of all time. Citing multiple sources that all give the same inadequete summary and then declaring this as overwhelming evidence is a perfect demonstration. The only problem with any of the sources I cited is that they produced evidence and came to conclusions that you don't like. Without recourse to a reasoned rebuttal you simply came out with the personal attack.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #215 December 13, 2007 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh, Lord...THAT old canard again? Do you wear a seatbelt because you're afraid? Do you have a reserve because you're afraid? Do you carry homeowner's/renter's insurance because you're afraid? Do you have a fire extinguisher in your house because you're afraid? No, most likely not - you have them to be prepared for a situation in which you need them. Owning a gun is no different. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QuoteSeatbelt, reserve, insurance, etc are not ultimetly designed to kill. A gun is. You are comparing apples to mangos. They all help you to get the upper hand and stay in control when the situation is going downhill fast. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amyg 0 #216 December 14, 2007 your mom is taking up to much space Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #217 December 14, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteThat, ultimately is why I don't own a gun. I am not afraid. Oh, yeah, I felt that way too, being a big guy with karate training...until the night I found myself under attack by a raging lunatic bigger than myself, at the same time I was suffering from heat exhaustion. You'll never understand what it is to need a gun and not have it until it actually happens to you. So true. Been there, done that (or something similar). I believe there are risks to gun ownership but at the end of the day I should be the one to decide if I own one....not the government. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #218 December 14, 2007 QuoteQuoteOh, Lord...THAT old canard again? Do you wear a seatbelt because you're afraid? Do you have a reserve because you're afraid? Do you carry homeowner's/renter's insurance because you're afraid? Do you have a fire extinguisher in your house because you're afraid? No, most likely not - you have them to be prepared for a situation in which you need them. Owning a gun is no different. Seatbelt, reserve, insurance, etc are not ultimetly designed to kill. A gun is. You are comparing apples to mangos. Incorrect - design has nothing to do with reason for use.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
