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I hadn't considered it in that light, Labrys...that's a good point.
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I believe that we need way more gays in the forces. The uniforms need to be cheered up a bit .. Olive is soooo 70's and camo will never get you noticed. ANd these are the folks to make it happen for us.
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mnealtx 0
QuoteI believe that we need way more gays in the forces. The uniforms need to be cheered up a bit .. Olive is soooo 70's and camo will never get you noticed. ANd these are the folks to make it happen for us.
A "Queer Eye for the Military Guy" sort of thing?
Mike
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Gawain 0
QuoteQuoteIf someone serving has an overwhelming urge to share their sexual orientation, knowing the current rules, then I suggest that they should reexamine their reasons to serve. Military service is not about making a damned statement about liking men or women. It's about serving your country. Frankly, I could care less about someone's sexuality, and I don't want to know. If someone is going to throw it in my face though, that's another story.
You probably don't notice just how frequently or forcefully many straight people / soldiers refer to their sexuality, Max. Because heterosexual banter is "normal" to you and most others it goes unremarked. A homosexual person living in a straight world listening to straight people talk about dating, marriage, and a night on the town is usually getting other peoples sexuality "thrown in their face" all the time... and under the current law for those in the military, can't even mention a partner or a date during a conversation.
I am an Infantryman, and yes, the bravado amongst the guys is intense. There is no room for being "sensitive". On the line, you're in good company when you get tackled by your peers, get smoked by your squad leader or get bumped around for no reason, it means you are liked, and know how to take a beating.
Sure, the Army provided training to provide perspective about "Consideration of Others" (called CO2), but it's primarily for dealing with the rest of the Army. On the line, getting "butt-hurt" (odd analogy for the topic at hand) is ridiculed to the hilt.
No one is spared in this. Fat people are called fat. New guys are turds. The PL is a butter bar. The First Sergeant is living large. The Platoon Sergeant is hard core.
This is the part of the military that people see glamorized in the movies, but not in real life. Maybe there's room for more liberal thinking in the non-combat-arms part of the military...I don't know.
What I do know is that nearly all "abnormal" behavior in ridiculed in the military, not just sexuality. The difference seems to be that people see the DADT as a form of ridicule, when in fact it is a shield that the rest of the military does not get. Women receive more official (such as, you can join, but can't do these jobs), overt discrimination based solely on gender than "gays" receive.
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!
jakee 1,501
QuoteIf someone serving has an overwhelming urge to share their sexual orientation, knowing the current rules, then I suggest that they should reexamine their reasons to serve.
So a squaddie who tells his mates about the chick he fucked last night should think abou leaving the military?
QuoteMilitary service is not about making a damned statement about liking men or women. It's about serving your country.
Then why on earth should gay people be forced to pretend they like women in order to do so?
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteWhat I do know is that nearly all "abnormal" behavior in ridiculed in the military, not just sexuality.
So there really shouldn't be too much of a problem with gay guys ridiculing straight sex then? Or ridiculing the gay who fucked a really hairy ass?
labrys 0
Eddie Izzard's hilarious take on transvestites serving in the army:
QuoteYeah. So! I didn't join the army, as you might have noticed... Yeah, ‘cause there's not much makeup in the army, is there? No? They only have that night-time look, and that's a bit slapdash, isn't it? And they look a mess!
So you can't join, even though the American armed forces have a distinct policy of "don't ask, don't tell" towards the alternative sexualities. If you're a bloke wearing a lot of makeup, you know… I don't think they need to ask, really! And so you can't join, they go, "No, no, you can't. It's the wrong shade of lipstick for the Army, I'm afraid..."
And they're missing a huge opportunity here, ‘cause we all know one of the main elements of attack is the element of surprise, and so what could be more surprising than the 1st Battalion Transvestite Brigade? Airborne wing!
The airborne wing parachuting into dangerous areas with fantastic makeup! And a fantastic gun! And the opposing forces going, "Fucking ‘ell, look at these guys! Look at that! They’ve got guns. They've got guns! Jesus, they've got guns!" Ah, bugger. I was so surprised! Were you surprised? I was surprised.
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This Sunday night 60 Minutes will have a special report of DADT featuring an Army Sergeant serving in Kuwait. This sergeant is highly decorated and is in a critical medical field and is serving openly with the blessing of his command.
Chris
Chris
QuoteQuoteI believe that we need way more gays in the forces. The uniforms need to be cheered up a bit .. Olive is soooo 70's and camo will never get you noticed. ANd these are the folks to make it happen for us.
A "Queer Eye for the Military Guy" sort of thing?
Indeed..
Now that's the sort or reality TV [sic] show that we need.
(.)Y(.)
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Lindsey 0
What happens to women among all the men in the Infantry? I'm really curious.
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ryoder 1,590
QuoteThis Sunday night 60 Minutes will have a special report of DADT featuring an Army Sergeant serving in Kuwait. This sergeant is highly decorated and is in a critical medical field and is serving openly with the blessing of his command.
Chris
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/13/60minutes/main3615278.shtml?123
Sounds like:
"Don't ask; Don't tell."
"I'm telling; I'm gay!"
"No you're not!"
"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.
billvon 3,009
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From the article:
>But to his surprise, "I was told to go back to work. There was no
>evidence of homosexuality," says Manzella. "'You’re not gay,'"
Darren Manzella: "See, Dave, I'm not gay!"
Dave: "Think we should stop having sex, then?"
Darren: "Naah."
>But to his surprise, "I was told to go back to work. There was no
>evidence of homosexuality," says Manzella. "'You’re not gay,'"
Darren Manzella: "See, Dave, I'm not gay!"
Dave: "Think we should stop having sex, then?"
Darren: "Naah."
Gawain 0
QuoteWhat happens to women among all the men in the Infantry? I'm really curious.
There are no women in the Infantry.
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!
Lucky... 0
>>>>>>>>"gays in the foxhole"
Is that a metaphor or a verb?
Lucky... 0
>>>>>>>>>high standards of morale,
I wasn't in that branch ![[:/]](/uploads/emoticons/dry.png "[:/]"){kind=small}
>>>>>>>>>servicemember
Well, if they'd stop using this kind of language it would be a start
Lucky... 0
QuoteYou just reminded me of an episode of "Murphy Brown". It was a running joke in the show that she had a new secretary in every episode, always with some personality quirk.
At the beginning of one episode she came in to find a tall, athletic young man sitting at her secretary's desk. As she approached, he jumped up, saluted, introduced himself, and stood at attention.
Murphy: "Let me go out on a limb here; Recently discharged from the military?"
Young Man: "Yes, ma'am! Gay ma'am! They asked; I told!"
JUst one question: WTF are u doing watching Murphy Brown?
ryoder 1,590
Quote>>>>>>>>>high standards of morale,
I wasn't in that branch
>>>>>>>>>servicemember
Well, if they'd stop using this kind of language it would be a start
I always thought the worst was the Navy calling its enlisted men "seamen".
"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.
Lucky... 0
>>>>>>>>get smoked by your squad leader
Is Freud around?
ryoder 1,590
Quote
JUst one question: WTF are u doing watching Murphy Brown?
That was a good show!
I quoted that line from memory. I haven't seen it since it ran in the '90's.
"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.
jcd11235 0
QuoteI always thought the worst was the Navy calling its enlisted men "seamen".
It's just a reminder of the circular nature of life.
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And an ex-naval guy is discharged seamen?
(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
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SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteU.S. Army Maj. Daniel Davis, speaking to Stahl out of uniform to emphasize that he does not speak for the U.S. military, says don't ask, don't tell is necessary to achieve cohesion among soldiers, especially those in combat. "If you have a moral or religious issue, you cannot order me to [bond] with that [gay] person," says Davis, a specialist in battlefield tactics. "Our purpose in the military is not social engineering….It’s about fighting and winning the nation's wars."
This leads me to believe there would also be a problem with non-christians serving in the military. If I go by some of the staunch conservatives on this board, they aren't overly comfortable with mexicans either, so should they serve? What if it isn't completely clear if their whole family is legally in the US? Wouldn't there be some bonding issues too?
what about rear admeral lower half?
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"Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama
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You probably don't notice just how frequently or forcefully many straight people / soldiers refer to their sexuality, Max. Because heterosexual banter is "normal" to you and most others it goes unremarked. A homosexual person living in a straight world listening to straight people talk about dating, marriage, and a night on the town is usually getting other peoples sexuality "thrown in their face" all the time... and under the current law for those in the military, can't even mention a partner or a date during a conversation.
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