wildcard451 0 #1 December 13, 2007 Congress Does /Banned from the bonfire, figured I'd play in here for a while. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #2 December 13, 2007 That's mah link, bish! And yeah, I'm pretty sure this qualifies as a law respecting an establishment of religion. Further proof that the current government has no respect for the constitution, just some fairie in the sky and some tosser claiming to be the son of said faerie.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 333 #3 December 13, 2007 Quote Congress Does /Banned from the bonfire, figured I'd play in here for a while. Don't the fuckers have enough to do without wasting time on "fluff" bills. Jesus F. Christ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #4 December 13, 2007 Oh great, it turns out they did this bullshit with Islam as well. This is a colossal time of taxpayer money, just like 99% of the shit those clowns do.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #5 December 13, 2007 No. It merely recognizes it. You know, I am an atheist. But I'm personally pretty fucking fed up with the idea that any mere mention of the Christian religion is bad. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." What religion does it establish? For some reason we can recognize Pearl Harbor Day but it does not qualify for establishment of religion. Christianity is out there. So is Christmas. Like it or not, it is an important part of american society. Excessive entanglement? Yeah. I'll have problems with that. But is the recognition of Christmas as a holiday "establishment of religion?" Come on. The bible dumpers take things further than the bible thumpers. It's anti-Christian. Nobody bitched about this one: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=hr110-635 Somehow, that didn't seem to establish Islam in the US. But it would establish Christianity? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #6 December 13, 2007 Quote It's anti-Christian. Nobody bitched about this one: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=hr110-635 I just did. I don't think the US government should be wasting their time with ANYTHING having to do with religion, there are much more important things to worry about.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #7 December 13, 2007 Quote "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." What religion does it establish? For some reason we can recognize Pearl Harbor Day but it does not qualify for establishment of religion. I think the first amendment is poorly worded, because it's slightly vague there. THe way they used "establishment" could be parsed as "Respecting an institution of religion", e.g. christianity, judaism, etc, or parsed as "respecting the creation of a religion". I view it as both, I don't think the congress should even acknowledge the existence of religions, to be frank.= Typical old people, fuckers couldn't be clear.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #8 December 13, 2007 QuoteQuote It's anti-Christian. Nobody bitched about this one: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=hr110-635 I just did. I don't think the US government should be wasting their time with ANYTHING having to do with religion, there are much more important things to worry about. Sorry, sir. You posted while I was writing it. A far more effective argument is what you made. As opposed to, "Oh no! Oh my goodness! Congress recognized Christianity and Christmas! CHURCH AND STATE! SUE!!!!!!" let's focus on Congress wasting time and taxpayer money recognizing Christmas instead of, oh, I dunno - dealing with things like budgets. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #9 December 13, 2007 QuoteNo. It merely recognizes it. You know, I am an atheist. But I'm personally pretty fucking fed up with the idea that any mere mention of the Christian religion is bad. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." What religion does it establish? For some reason we can recognize Pearl Harbor Day but it does not qualify for establishment of religion. Christianity is out there. So is Christmas. Like it or not, it is an important part of american society. Excessive entanglement? Yeah. I'll have problems with that. But is the recognition of Christmas as a holiday "establishment of religion?" Come on. The bible dumpers take things further than the bible thumpers. It's anti-Christian. Nobody bitched about this one: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=hr110-635 Somehow, that didn't seem to establish Islam in the US. But it would establish Christianity? Isn't Christianity itself an "establishment of religion" and this a law respecting it? It's an honest question...I've always thought of the word "establishment" as being a noun in this context. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,032 #10 December 13, 2007 QuoteNo. It merely recognizes it. You know, I am an atheist. But I'm personally pretty fucking fed up with the idea that any mere mention of the Christian religion is bad. I quite like the Christmas myth, and deciding to piggyback it onto our solstice/Yule/Saturnalia celebrations makes them a little brighter, IMO. If you have to choose an arbitrary date for a mythical event, may as well choose one when folks are already celebrating anyway. I decorated my Solstice tree yesterday.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #11 December 13, 2007 QuoteI just did. I don't think the US government should be wasting their time with ANYTHING having to do with religion, there are much more important things to worry about.Does that include secularism? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #12 December 13, 2007 QuoteI quite like the Christmas myth, and deciding to piggyback it onto our solstice/Yule/Saturnalia celebrations makes them a little brighter, IMO. If you have to choose an arbitrary date for a mythical event, may as well choose one when folks are already celebrating anyway. I decorated my Solstice tree yesterday.You should know by now that the burning of the Yule log doesn't actually make the days grow longer. It's just an olde religious superstition. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #13 December 13, 2007 I propose a Resolution - at the expense of the taxpayers, of course - recognizing....yea, praising, the role of apples in applesauce. You know, because there's some doubt. Oh, and apples need protection from all that discrimination they have to endure in the US from mangoes and guavas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,032 #14 December 13, 2007 Quote Quote I quite like the Christmas myth, and deciding to piggyback it onto our solstice/Yule/Saturnalia celebrations makes them a little brighter, IMO. If you have to choose an arbitrary date for a mythical event, may as well choose one when folks are already celebrating anyway. I decorated my Solstice tree yesterday. You should know by now that the burning of the Yule log doesn't actually make the days grow longer. It's just an olde religious superstition. What? But it works!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #15 December 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteI just did. I don't think the US government should be wasting their time with ANYTHING having to do with religion, there are much more important things to worry about.Does that include secularism? That is secularism. secularism noun the belief that religion should not be involved with the ordinary social and political activities of a countryMath tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #16 December 13, 2007 I just did. I don't think the US government should be wasting their time with ANYTHING having to do with religion, there are much more important things to worry about. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Does that include secularism? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QuoteThat is secularism. secularism noun the belief that religion should not be involved with the ordinary social and political activities of a countryYes, and bowing to the rules of political correctness is a religion in itself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #17 December 13, 2007 Quote Quote Congress Does /Banned from the bonfire, figured I'd play in here for a while. Don't the fuckers have enough to do without wasting time on "fluff" bills. Jesus F. Christ. I thought Jesus' middle name started with the letter "H." I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n23x 0 #18 December 13, 2007 wrong. the middle initials are TF, and that doesn't stand for twin falls. .jim "Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #19 December 13, 2007 whoopty diddley shit. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #20 December 13, 2007 QuoteYes, and bowing to the rules of political correctness is a religion in itself. By what definition of religion are you basing your statement? One of these or something else entirely? Are you referring to anything that night have been referred to as a religion in 1791? New Oxford American: religion noun the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods Dictionary.com: re·li·gion [ri-lij-uhn] –noun a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary: religion noun 1 [C or U] the belief in and worship of a god or gods, or any such system of belief and worship: the Christian religionMath tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #21 December 13, 2007 Quote wrong. the middle initials are TF, and that doesn't stand for twin falls. .jim what does TF stand for? honestly haven't heard that before... and don't worry, your answer won't offend my delicate sensibilities. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #22 December 13, 2007 Quote Quote wrong. the middle initials are TF, and that doesn't stand for twin falls. .jim what does TF stand for? honestly haven't heard that before... and don't worry, your answer won't offend my delicate sensibilities. titty fucking!cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n23x 0 #23 December 13, 2007 Watch out, the last time I referenced this there were the classic blubbering-vagina-Bill O'reilly-esque "WAR ON CHRISTIANITY" complaints. And for all you persons that are going to complain about it, read Lamb: The Gospel According to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal. It's the written WORD of Jesus' life outside that recorded in the bible, 100% legit, and might provide some perspective about the actual trials and tribulations someone has to face as they grow up (in a fictional sense). edited: definately no malice towards Micro! .jim"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #24 December 13, 2007 I dig Christmas. I'm indifferent to most behaviors of practicing Christians. I only react strongly to fundamentalist literal interpretations of the Bible being foisted upon rational society. If they ever try to introduce that crap at my kids school I am going to perform my own personal shit-in. I will eat nothing but Taco Bell for a month, then chain myself to a heavy object in the Superintendent's office and stay there pooping my brains out until they reverse their decision." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #25 December 13, 2007 Quote Congress Does /Banned from the bonfire, figured I'd play in here for a while. How do you get banned from Bonfire? Isn't that like getting kicked out of Girl Scouts. Like being the Bad Boy of Mr. Rogers neighborhood?" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
