SpeedRacer 1 #26 December 19, 2007 Quote "Intrusive" foreign policy is not a form of policy; it's the only way. So our intrusive foreign policy had NO impact on motivating the terrorists? They just "hate us because we are prosperous & free?" Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,070 #27 December 19, 2007 >"Intrusive" foreign policy is not a form of policy; it's the only way. As a great many first-world countries do not have an 'intrusive' foreign policy, that statement is provably false. >Philosophically and economically speaking, the Lib.org's remind me of >the Amish. Lib.org is Escapism Politics. This is why they are ignored. They are ignored because they are a third party. You could create a third party that accurately represents the philosophies of most of the population (via polls) and they wouldn't get a large percentage of the vote. That's not because popular opinion is "escapism politics" or is invalid; it's because here in the US all third parties are invalid, no matter what they represent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #28 December 19, 2007 QuoteQuotewow. what an amazing distortion of ron paul's positions. From the first article; QuoteTwo specific regulations proved to be disastrous for dealing with the thugs who, without even a single gun, took over four airliners and created the havoc of 9/11. Both the prohibition against guns in cockpits and precise instructions that crews not resist hijackers contributed immensely to the horrors of 9/11. Instead of immediately legalizing a natural right of personal self-defense guaranteed by an explicit Second Amendment freedom, we still do not have armed pilots in the sky. I'm sorry, but if you don't recognize that as being code words to reassure the NRA of his positions, then I can't help you. Using scare tactics of gun issues combined with 911 in this sense bugs the crap out of me. I'll address the tinfoil hat contributors in a bit . . . gotta get back to work for a few. Ron Paul has written & spoken time & again that our overly intrusive foreign policy was a major factor in motivating the terrorist attacks. Have you been living under a rock, or what? Didn't you see his arguments with McCain & Giuliani in the debates? throwing in the snippet about guns in the cockpit is a red herring. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #29 December 19, 2007 Quote Quote Unfortunately one side effect of libertarianism is that you also get these "fringe" types, who feel that they are at war with the bulk of humanity, who tend to latch onto the sides of a movement that wants to reduce the power of the Federal government I get this "fringe" feeling from the lib.org website in general. The website gives me the impression of nostalgia for history that comes from disenfranchisement and lack of understanding of the why's things are what they are today. EVERYBODY wants less govt and less taxes. But, Thomas Jefferson was from another time period where manufacturing, production and business models were different and Isolationism and pure independence of other countrys' imports were possible. "Intrusive" foreign policy is not a form of policy; it's the only way. Only the most poorest of third world countries aren't stakeholders of the rest of the world. I swear that some of the ideas from that site came out of the group meeting of a veranda of a 1800's plantation. Philosophically and economically speaking, the Lib.org's remind me of the Amish. Lib.org is Escapism Politics. This is why they are ignored. He shoots... OH!!! Airball. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #30 December 19, 2007 Quote there, I finished your sentence for you No Rush, you changed it completely based on your personal assumptions. I pity you because you frequently do this. For example; Quote I'll bet you think Bush is setting up to give Cheney power under marshall law as others have stated on this site too, don't you......... No. You're just being silly. I never said it was happening. I said it was possible to do these sorts of things. I recently used Putin and Russia as an example and you drew the conclusion that I believed it was happening here. No. You're just putting words in my mouth in an attempt to "win". You have no interests in any sort of actual discussions all you want to do is "win", but because of that, you don't see how much you actually fail miserably.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #31 December 19, 2007 QuoteAs a great many first-world countries do not have an 'intrusive' foreign policy, that statement is provably false. I can't think of any major country that doesn't have this policy. Even France has the Foreign Legion still in Africa. Who legitimized (if it is legitimate) the phrase "intrusive foreign policy" anyways? foreign policy is intrusive by nature. QuoteThey are ignored because they are a third party. They are also ignored because they are a third party. It's not the third party notion that prevents them from legitimacy. They never broke out from the rest._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #32 December 19, 2007 Quote I swear that some of the ideas from that site came out of the group meeting of a veranda of a 1800's plantation Yup and drinking the Coca Cola with the real cocaine in it... and puffin on pipes filled with the Ganga Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #33 December 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteAs a great many first-world countries do not have an 'intrusive' foreign policy, that statement is provably false. I can't think of any major country that doesn't have this policy. Even France has the Foreign Legion still in Africa. Well just sticking to the G8 there would be Japan, Germany, Canada and Italy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,070 #34 December 19, 2007 >I can't think of any major country that doesn't have this policy. Sweden, for one. Their foreign policy is based on the premise that national security is best served by staying free of alliances and foreign interventions in peacetime in order to remain a neutral country in the event of war. They seem to do OK with it. >Who legitimized (if it is legitimate) the phrase "intrusive foreign policy" >anyways? ?? Who legitimized the phrase "overweight baseball players?" I don't think anyone did. It's just two adjectives and a noun. It's pretty clear what it means. >It's not the third party notion that prevents them from legitimacy. Let's put it this way, then. They are more legitimate (more supporters, more clearly enunciated positions) than most other third parties. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #35 December 19, 2007 I tell you what. When the libertarians knock down the democrats or the republicans from their seats and move up I will buy you a case of your favorite beverage. After all, in U. S. history, there has been political upheavals and changes regarding parties. Why can't there be another upheaval? Whigs have come and gone and even put up a few Presidents. So why not the Libertarians? They have been here for around thirty years. Where's the stampede to join up? Why aren't people looking at them as a voice of change?_____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #36 December 19, 2007 Quote >I'll bet you think Bush is setting up to give Cheney power under marshall law . . . So Marshall Law would be in charge, and Dick Cheney would be sort of his sidekick? I like it! Sounds like it could be a TV show a la 24. Marshall Law sounds better than Jack Bauer anyway. "In this week's episode, Marshall Law defeats a gang of terrorists intent on destroying Los Angeles while Dick Cheney extracts a confession from a recalcitrant Jenna Bush." Wow, and you post I must think you are cute?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #37 December 19, 2007 Quote Quote there, I finished your sentence for you No Rush, you changed it completely based on your personal assumptions. I pity you because you frequently do this.Rrreeeeaaaallllly, show me where? For example; Quote I'll bet you think Bush is setting up to give Cheney power under marshall law as others have stated on this site too, don't you......... No. You're just being silly. Of course I was being silly. I did it purposfully to make a point about how silly your comments were. I am not even a Ron Paul supporter. He just interests me I never said it was happening. I said it was possible to do these sorts of things. I recently used Putin and Russia as an example and you drew the conclusion that I believed it was happening here. No. You're just putting words in my mouth in an attempt to "win". You have no interests in any sort of actual discussions all you want to do is "win", but because of that, you don't see how much you actually fail miserably. Now who is putting words into whos mouth??"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,070 #38 December 19, 2007 >Wow, and you post I must think you are cute? Is that why you have that odd crush on me? I didn't know! I'm flattered. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #39 December 19, 2007 Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #40 December 19, 2007 Quote>I can't think of any major country that doesn't have this policy. Sweden, for one. Their foreign policy is based on the premise that national security is best served by staying free of alliances and foreign interventions in peacetime in order to remain a neutral country in the event of war. They seem to do OK with it. >Who legitimized (if it is legitimate) the phrase "intrusive foreign policy" >anyways? ?? Who legitimized the phrase "overweight baseball players?" I don't think anyone did. It's just two adjectives and a noun. It's pretty clear what it means. >It's not the third party notion that prevents them from legitimacy. Let's put it this way, then. They are more legitimate (more supporters, more clearly enunciated positions) than most other third parties. Nice one. You have Sweden. There's probably more I don't know. But it doesn't make Intrusive policy an option. They know we will jump in if any country gives them issues. They can afford that stance. Here in the U. S., you see people scream if oil gets too high, value of the dollar drops, or if jobs get to scarce or if basic comforts becomes interrupted. We have built a society that requires a considerable amount of need. Economics is the glue that allows for a country to exist to facilitate the need for the community to form. These interventions are pre-emptive or reactionary attacks on things that can pluck the economic "g" string. They also prevent going-ons that can bite us in the rear in the future. Being the nice-guy and letting things happen unawares around you does not have a positive outcome in any situation. In all types of civilization, nice guys are usually taken advantage of or attacked. They also don't get dates. That's my take on Intrusive foreign policy. There's no such thing as everybody getting together and deciding to become "nice" to each other._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #41 December 19, 2007 Quote >Wow, and you post I must think you are cute? Is that why you have that odd crush on me? I didn't know! I'm flattered. (fluring eyes he asks) Does this mean we are engaged now?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #42 December 19, 2007 Quote As long as I know it bothers you it will continue to get worse"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #43 December 20, 2007 Quote Quote As long as I know it bothers you it will continue to get worse Cool. Now I'll just scroll past your posts without a glance. No loss to you or me, win/win. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #44 December 20, 2007 Quote Quote Quote As long as I know it bothers you it will continue to get worse Cool. Now I'll just scroll past your posts without a glance. No loss to you or me, win/win. Like I already do most of yours and Amazons. You two are made for each other"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #45 December 20, 2007 I was going to use the post drop file... but I just cant do it.. you provide me with just so much insight in the right wing fascist mindset that you suppport.. lock .. stock and barrel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dan_iv 0 #46 December 20, 2007 It seems to me that one of the reasons he is lagging in the polls is due to a lot of the internet supporters he has aren't actually registered REPS and are not being polled. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #47 December 20, 2007 QuoteAnd he isn't "chummy" with the tin foil hatters or the Nazis. Oh? Then I must have misinterpreted his words when he said that he found certain groups of people on the internet and is actively going after them. You can start with 3:19 on this clip, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZsa5v0-M8c Oh, and I guess Coast to Coast isn't fringe or wacko at all.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #48 December 20, 2007 Ron Paul's response to your issue regarding contributions. Watch from 3:10 on... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrRtZaG63o8 Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dan_iv 0 #49 December 20, 2007 I think his response is quite on point, in fact its pretty sad that the mainstream media took to the time to find a 500$ contribution from one wack job and not give him any credit for breaking the record. I'm sure other republicans and democrats have received contributions from questionable sources but I'd rather it come from some idiot then a special interest group that has specific intentions behind there donation other then simply supporting a candidate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #50 December 20, 2007 QuoteI think his response is quite on point, in fact its pretty sad that the mainstream media took to the time to find a 500$ contribution from one wack job and not give him any credit for breaking the record. I'm sure other republicans and democrats have received contributions from questionable sources but I'd rather it come from some idiot then a special interest group that has specific intentions behind there donation other then simply supporting a candidate. You are right on the money. EVERY canidate has contrubutions from people they would rather not admit too. For someone to claim that shows they are "insert your term here" is, well, what ever you want to call it, is rediculas. Nice post"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
