Ron Paul on Meet the Press, Sunday, December 23.

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Where are all the RP cheerleaders? It seems all they scream about is how open and honest, what a non-politician he is, yet when he goes on TV, there is a transcript, they all flee. Is it that they know what a joke some of his claims are? Why aren't they here like in other RP threads?

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Where are all the RP cheerleaders? It seems all they scream about is how open and honest, what a non-politician he is, yet when he goes on TV, there is a transcript, they all flee. Is it that they know what a joke some of his claims are? Why aren't they here like in other RP threads?

um, enjoying Christmas with their families, perhaps??

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Ok so who would you vote for and why?

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I am voting for RP because he is an honest man with good intentions.

Dont you think that it is crazy that he is considered a LEFT WING when he is focused on the CONSTITUTION, the founding transcript of this nation. I think the constitution is about as Right Wing as you get! Its a shame that the past decades of our government have clouded our image of a proper government..

still dont believe me? Just reflect on how far our current government has strayed from the foundation of the USA.

sttilllll dont agree with RP? How about you research the patriot act and tell me if the ideologies of Checks and Balances, Civil Rights, and the Constution are violated

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Pstriot act, also lets not forget the Real ID Act. RP is the only candidate talking about that one.

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Ok so who would you vote for and why?

Edwards - he is pro-labor.

I will vote for him in the primaries, but any Dem thereafter. I like Cucinich's (sp) take on socialized meds, he's for absolute universal care, unlike any other candidate that I know of. He's like RP, he doesn't stand a chance, so I will vote for Edwards, another candidate that won't win the primaries.

I can't understand why anyone would vote for the Nazi Party (R's), just look at the past almost 3 dacades and figure it out. I think we can call them ideologues, as they won't leave a dying horse.

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>>>>>>>>>>I am voting for RP because he is an honest man with good intentions.

Again, from he guys, you, who claim he's real, quit resting on rhetoric and address the issues I made from the transcript of his conversation. Russert also posted a quote from him where he called Reagan a traitor, he dinied ever saying that. Not to mention he wouldn't take a firm stand on whether he would run indep if the R's toss him in the primaries. You guys sound so staus quo when you refuse to address substance, yet claim he's all about real substance.

>>>>>>>>>>>>Dont you think that it is crazy that he is considered a LEFT WING when he is focused on the CONSTITUTION

No, because rights from the conservative side are considered unneccesary and the left, the ACLU are the ones supporting them, hence that is why I'm a Dem - get it?

>>>>>>>>>>the founding transcript of this nation.

Don't forget the living constitution.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I think the constitution is about as Right Wing as you get!

I think its origin are nonpartisan. You just don't want to align yourself with the left. Let's see, elements that are supported by the left:

- privacy
- 8th
- 4th search and seizure
- free speech
- 14th due process
- right to counsel
-etc...

Elements that are supported by the right:

- 2nd, guns


So do the math, ow is it a righty thing? Been listening to the pundits a bit too much have we?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>Its a shame that the past decades of our government have clouded our image of a proper government..

Find yourself having to apologize for your last 3 boobs? Areyou another Repub to Libertarian convert? How rare

>>>>>>>>>>>>still dont believe me? Just reflect on how far our current government has strayed from the foundation of the USA.

Oh, the roiginal foundation. OK, let's see here, when teh US Const was drafted, ...

- slavery was legal
- women couldn't vote
- white women couldn't marry non-white males (overturned in 1968, almost 200 years later)
- blacks couldn't drink from teh same fountains as whites (overturned almost 200 years later)
- Only elites could vote
- On and on and on......

What a beautiful document, now what was your point?

>>>>>>>>>>>>sttilllll dont agree with RP? How about you research the patriot act and tell me if the ideologies of Checks and Balances, Civil Rights, and the Constution are violated

Still refuse to examine the transcript that I posted? And youwant to distance yourself from Republicans who use rhetoric and distraction? Go back and address the issues I raised with the transcript. Furthermore, do you understand what the living constitution is? I'm anti-patriot act too btw.

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I think its origin are nonpartisan. You just don't want to align yourself with the left.

Not all of us care for Socialism Lite / collectivism.

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Let's see, elements that are supported by the left:

- privacy

Which is why the Dems are calling for medical record info in regards to the exercise of the 2nd Amendment, right?

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- 8th

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Excessive bail? Nope
Excessive fines? Nope
Cruel/unusual punishment? Yeah, ok.

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- 4th search and seizure

Seen the BAT-boys or the FBI on any raids in the last 15 years or so? Evidently not.

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- free speech

As long as it's approved by the lords and masters, of course.

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- 14th due process

Yeah, ok... look up any of several tax cases from the 90's.

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- right to counsel

See above

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Elements that are supported by the right:

- 2nd, guns

Which is exactly why many of us WON'T vote for a Dem. Read and learn.

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I think Ron Paul did great if you’re in too hearing real information and not political posturing.

I watch MTP often and I was surprised to see TR on such an attack. He is usually very good at asking tough questions and always shows class. With Ron Paul it was obviously different. He just kept on spewing a phrase here or a quote from a past disgruntled employee there.

After reading some of the posts on this thread I can understand why we elected someone like Bush. Ron Paul gave factual answers that were not sugar coated, what I was disappointed in was how TR focused so much on emotional triggers. He kept saying "so you were against the civil rights act", when he knew Ron Paul was against allowing government on privet property. He kept on saying it because he knew it would get a negative reaction and would make great headline “Ron Paul wants segregation” or something just as stupid. The sheep my friends they will lead all of us to the slaughter.

He also was talking about how Ron Paul who is against the current system used the same system to get money for his state. Unless things have changed that’s the way a democracy works. You work in the system the best that you can until you have an opportunity to change it. If you don’t work the system you simply will not survive. I think he is a smart and realizes it needs to change but to be able to bring that change he needs to survive in the current system to be able to bring that change. Again simple concept for anyone to understand, unless you just listen for the key reaction phrases TR shot out during the interview.

I wish more voters would concentrate on substance.
If we want change from the same crap we have had for a long time Ron Paul is the answer. Every one else just says what they think you want to hear.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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"Ron Paul Blasts Lincoln
Civil War 'Unnecessary'?"


This is one of the headlines in my AOL.
I wonder how many people just read that and take it as fact.
I guess TR did his job on giving the vultures another emotional trigger head line.
I am very disappointed in TR.

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"Ron Paul Blasts Lincoln
Civil War 'Unnecessary'?"


This is one of the headlines in my AOL.
I wonder how many people just read that and take it as fact.
I guess TR did his job on giving the vultures another emotional trigger head line.
I am very disappointed in TR.

Well after all the civil war was the ultimate in unconstitutional acts.

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Is that the only reason to vote for Edwards.

If you want someone who is really pro labor why not vote for the socialist party candidate this year?

Are you sure Edwards is pro labor? What does his voting record say?

What is anti labor against getting rid of the Income Tax?

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"Ron Paul Blasts Lincoln
Civil War 'Unnecessary'?"


This is one of the headlines in my AOL.
I wonder how many people just read that and take it as fact.
I guess TR did his job on giving the vultures another emotional trigger head line.
I am very disappointed in TR.

Well after all the civil war was the ultimate in unconstitutional acts.

I think as Ron Paul explained. It was unnecessary to go to war and lose so many American lives, where the same end might have been achieved with less loss. As he mentioned in the interview every country that had slavery got rid of it with out needing a civil

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What's so civil about war anyway?

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Is that the only reason to vote for Edwards.

If you want someone who is really pro labor why not vote for the socialist party candidate this year?

Are you sure Edwards is pro labor? What does his voting record say?

What is anti labor against getting rid of the Income Tax?

Don't bother asking Lucky questions. He (she?) will ask plenty of questions and expect you to answer them, but when you ask questions to Lucky, don't hold your breath.

You might fare better trying to engage someone else in real dialogue here.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

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Is that the only reason to vote for Edwards.

If you want someone who is really pro labor why not vote for the socialist party candidate this year?

Are you sure Edwards is pro labor? What does his voting record say?

What is anti labor against getting rid of the Income Tax?

Don't bother asking Lucky questions. He (she?) will ask plenty of questions and expect you to answer them, but when you ask questions to Lucky, don't hold your breath.

You might fare better trying to engage someone else in real dialogue here.

Get a clue, I have posted litterally all the data here, posted the site for the transcript, posted parts of it and no one has even touched it. You couldn't be more clureless; why not go back and read the trascript or address some issues I posted from it? Cause... well, you are clueles.

Now, as to why I've been away. I worked 66 hrs last week, drive 1 hr to work, 1 hr back, had my aunt die on XMas eve, not super close to het, but it was my mom's last surviving person from her generation, and I'm fighting some GD bug or a bad cold and still have to work 10 hrs a day.

Get a clue......

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Here's for MAsterblaster and all the others who don't bother answering points raised, data and citations posted (repost to hope there is some form of empirical methodology here):

Paul praises Clinton -

REP. PAUL: We have to cut spending. You can't get rid of the income tax if you don't get rid of some spending. But, you know, if you got rid of the income tax today you'd have about as much revenue as, as we had 10 years ago, and the size of government wasn't all that bad 10 years ago.


Paul uses a ridiculous comparison -

But, you know, we lived a long time in this country without an income tax. Up until 1913 we didn't have it.

Me: We couldn't handle the Great Depression, women couldn't vote and we were still too dumb to relize that prohibition wouldn't work, so that is a comparison of futility. Most importantly the family strcture looked like the Walton's, so it was a different world then.


Paul makes sense -

That's good. I mean, we--but we could save hundreds of billions of dollars if we had a sensible foreign policy.


Paul sounds confused -

MR. RUSSERT: But if you had a flat tax, 30 percent consumption tax, that would be very, very punishing to the poor and middle class.

REP. PAUL: Well, I know. That's why I don't want it.

MR. RUSSERT: So you have nothing?

REP. PAUL: I want to cut spending. I want to get a--use the Constitution as our guide, and you wouldn't need the income tax.


I thought he wanted the flat tax. Hmmm, so he really has no global plan, just cut spending, that is not a realistic, comprehensive plan.

Paul is a bit optimistic -

REP. PAUL: To operate our total foreign policy, when you add up everything, there's been a good study on this, it's nearly a trillion dollars a year. So I would think if you brought our troops home, you could save hundreds of billions of dollars. It's, you know, it's six months or one year or two year, but you can start saving immediately by changing the foreign policy and not be the policeman over the world. We should have the foreign policy that George Bush ran on. You know, no nation building, no policing of the world, a humble foreign policy. We don't need to be starting wars. That's my argument.

Me: I don;t think it's a trillion dollars, hell, we spend 550B per year on the military, so we could perhaps cut that in half.

Paul is uneducated / uninformed -

MR. RUSSERT: How many troops do we have overseas right now?

REP. PAUL: I don't know the exact number, but more than we need. We don't need any.

MR. RUSSERT: It's 572,000. And you'd bring them all home?

Me: How can you not know that for a guy in his position making the claims he makes? What a buffoon. Come on, you Paul cheerleaders must agree.



Avoid the MNealTx school of post answer where usually 1 word is the form and a complete sentence a dream, a paragraph unheard of. I want to know why this guy is so great based upon what he's said, what he stands for, rather than the cheerleader rhetoric. Cut taxes, sut soending, all will be great, it will be awesome. I've yet to hea some hollow-minded Libertarian post a rough detail of the current tax revenues, current expenditures and then explain how the Libertarian change will modify that as well how it will affect the changes to benefits and programs, both military and social. The LIbertarian rant is as pathetic as the Republican rant, it's nice to see infighting within the Reug/Liber Parties to, I guess a sign of the start of the end.

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Is that the only reason to vote for Edwards.

If you want someone who is really pro labor why not vote for the socialist party candidate this year?

Are you sure Edwards is pro labor? What does his voting record say?

What is anti labor against getting rid of the Income Tax?

Don't bother asking Lucky questions. He (she?) will ask plenty of questions and expect you to answer them, but when you ask questions to Lucky, don't hold your breath.

You might fare better trying to engage someone else in real dialogue here.

No doubt - he still can't figure out that SOME don't necessary want the collectivist koolaid of the month.

Mike
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I'll be clapping with one hand.

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