ExAFO 0 #1 December 27, 2007 http://www.jhhuebert.com/articles/chicagoguns.html This article, while a few years old, still bears repeating... EDIT: See Also: http://www.illinoiscarry.com/?q=node/15Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F16Driver 0 #2 December 27, 2007 Finally, good citizens will be able to defend themselves and families legally. I still keep my gun on me going through Chicago. If I ever have to use it, my life depends on it. I don't care if the Chicago popo take me to jail. I'm sick of these news articles "We are a city of sheep, we're proud to be sheep, we will stay sheep." Sure didn't lower the crime in DC. BTW, BAD GUYS WILL ALWAYS BE ABLE TO GET GUNS. "I promise, I will never die." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #3 December 27, 2007 Quote BTW, BAD GUYS WILL ALWAYS BE ABLE TO GET GUNS. Evidently they all come from Virginia... ( @ Prof )Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #4 December 27, 2007 QuoteFinally, good citizens will be able to defend themselves and families legally. I still keep my gun on me going through Chicago. If I ever have to use it, my life depends on it. I don't care if the Chicago popo take me to jail. I'm sick of these news articles "We are a city of sheep, we're proud to be sheep, we will stay sheep." Sure didn't lower the crime in DC. BTW, BAD GUYS WILL ALWAYS BE ABLE TO GET GUNS. Funny, I drive and walk though Chicago every day (and have done for 30 years) and never needed a gun. Nor do I ever expect to. Must be sad to go through life so fearful of being attacked as you seem to be. bad guys will ONLY be able to get guns as long as people like you are their enablers.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #5 December 27, 2007 QuoteQuoteFinally, good citizens will be able to defend themselves and families legally. I still keep my gun on me going through Chicago. If I ever have to use it, my life depends on it. I don't care if the Chicago popo take me to jail. I'm sick of these news articles "We are a city of sheep, we're proud to be sheep, we will stay sheep." Sure didn't lower the crime in DC. BTW, BAD GUYS WILL ALWAYS BE ABLE TO GET GUNS. Funny, I drive and walk though Chicago every day (and have done for 30 years) and never needed a gun. Nor do I ever expect to. Must be sad to go through life so fearful of being attacked as you seem to be. bad guys will ONLY be able to get guns as long as people like you are their enablers. Who/what, are "people like you"? Define please."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #6 December 27, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteFinally, good citizens will be able to defend themselves and families legally. I still keep my gun on me going through Chicago. If I ever have to use it, my life depends on it. I don't care if the Chicago popo take me to jail. I'm sick of these news articles "We are a city of sheep, we're proud to be sheep, we will stay sheep." Sure didn't lower the crime in DC. BTW, BAD GUYS WILL ALWAYS BE ABLE TO GET GUNS. Funny, I drive and walk though Chicago every day (and have done for 30 years) and never needed a gun. Nor do I ever expect to. Must be sad to go through life so fearful of being attacked as you seem to be. bad guys will ONLY be able to get guns as long as people like you are their enablers. Who/what, are "people like you"? Define please. People who believe "BTW, BAD GUYS WILL ALWAYS BE ABLE TO GET GUNS" and that therefore they are absolved of all responsibility to try to do anything about it. It's just a cop-out excuse for inaction.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #7 December 27, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteFinally, good citizens will be able to defend themselves and families legally. I still keep my gun on me going through Chicago. If I ever have to use it, my life depends on it. I don't care if the Chicago popo take me to jail. I'm sick of these news articles "We are a city of sheep, we're proud to be sheep, we will stay sheep." Sure didn't lower the crime in DC. BTW, BAD GUYS WILL ALWAYS BE ABLE TO GET GUNS. Funny, I drive and walk though Chicago every day (and have done for 30 years) and never needed a gun. Nor do I ever expect to. Must be sad to go through life so fearful of being attacked as you seem to be. bad guys will ONLY be able to get guns as long as people like you are their enablers. Who/what, are "people like you"? Define please. People who believe "BTW, BAD GUYS WILL ALWAYS BE ABLE TO GET GUNS" and that therefore they are absolved of all responsibility to try to do anything about it. It's just a cop-out excuse for inaction. Not a "cop-out" but, I believe you saying that it is (a cop out) is just the excuse you use to ignore reality of the situation"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #8 December 27, 2007 QuoteQuoteFinally, good citizens will be able to defend themselves and families legally. I still keep my gun on me going through Chicago. If I ever have to use it, my life depends on it. I don't care if the Chicago popo take me to jail. I'm sick of these news articles "We are a city of sheep, we're proud to be sheep, we will stay sheep." Sure didn't lower the crime in DC. BTW, BAD GUYS WILL ALWAYS BE ABLE TO GET GUNS. Funny, I drive and walk though Chicago every day (and have done for 30 years) and never needed a gun. Nor do I ever expect to. Must be sad to go through life so fearful of being attacked as you seem to be. bad guys will ONLY be able to get guns as long as people like you are their enablers. It must be sad to be so fearful of a malfunction that you carry a reserve.... It must be sad to be so fearful of a crash that you wear a seatbelt... It must be sad to be so fearful of a fire that you keep a fire extinguisher... Preparation != fear. Your "fear" argument is nothing but a strawman, as you well know.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #9 December 27, 2007 It must be sad to be so fearful of attack by multiple armed folks that you have more than one round in your gun (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #10 December 27, 2007 Quote It must be sad to be so fearful of attack by multiple armed folks that you have more than one round in your gun Not some much a fear of "miltiple" attackers as a fear of being a bad shot"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #11 December 27, 2007 Quote It must be sad to be so fearful of attack by multiple armed folks that you have more than one round in your gun Just trying to be hospitable...it'd be rude if you needed to give out second helpings and didn't have them available, don't you know!! Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #12 December 27, 2007 (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #13 December 27, 2007 Quote Quote It must be sad to be so fearful of attack by multiple armed folks that you have more than one round in your gun Just trying to be hospitable...it'd be rude if you needed to give out second helpings and didn't have them available, don't you know!! Of course Fuhrer Daley and his Croni...er, Aldermen don't want to give Chicagoans the means to defend themselves...they think everyone has a personal bodyguard of Chicago Police Officers (Daley) or an unrestricted right to carry concealed in the city (Aldermen). Unless all get a personal CPD armed guard, all law abiding Chicagoans should be given the tools to protect themselves from rape, robbery, or murder. Ever try to get prompt response from the CPD during shift change? I think Public Enemy was right--911 is a joke. the number you need is 45, as in .45 ACP.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KelliJ 0 #14 December 27, 2007 Quotebad guys will ONLY be able to get guns as long as people like you are their enablers Surely an educated person knows better than that, Professor. I'll assume that statement was an intentional exaggeration since guns have been made for hundreds of years with simple hand tools. Where there is a will, there is a way. http://ease.com/~randyj/pakfoto1.htm#darra Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #15 December 27, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteFinally, good citizens will be able to defend themselves and families legally. I still keep my gun on me going through Chicago. If I ever have to use it, my life depends on it. I don't care if the Chicago popo take me to jail. I'm sick of these news articles "We are a city of sheep, we're proud to be sheep, we will stay sheep." Sure didn't lower the crime in DC. BTW, BAD GUYS WILL ALWAYS BE ABLE TO GET GUNS. Funny, I drive and walk though Chicago every day (and have done for 30 years) and never needed a gun. Nor do I ever expect to. Must be sad to go through life so fearful of being attacked as you seem to be. bad guys will ONLY be able to get guns as long as people like you are their enablers. It must be sad to be so fearful of a malfunction that you carry a reserve.... It must be sad to be so fearful of a crash that you wear a seatbelt... It must be sad to be so fearful of a fire that you keep a fire extinguisher... Preparation != fear. Your "fear" argument is nothing but a strawman, as you well know. Thats a weak rebuttle. A reserve, a fire extinguisher and a seat belt are not designed to kill. A gun is. You are comparing apples to mangos.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #16 December 27, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteFinally, good citizens will be able to defend themselves and families legally. I still keep my gun on me going through Chicago. If I ever have to use it, my life depends on it. I don't care if the Chicago popo take me to jail. I'm sick of these news articles "We are a city of sheep, we're proud to be sheep, we will stay sheep." Sure didn't lower the crime in DC. BTW, BAD GUYS WILL ALWAYS BE ABLE TO GET GUNS. Funny, I drive and walk though Chicago every day (and have done for 30 years) and never needed a gun. Nor do I ever expect to. Must be sad to go through life so fearful of being attacked as you seem to be. bad guys will ONLY be able to get guns as long as people like you are their enablers. It must be sad to be so fearful of a malfunction that you carry a reserve.... It must be sad to be so fearful of a crash that you wear a seatbelt... It must be sad to be so fearful of a fire that you keep a fire extinguisher... Preparation != fear. Your "fear" argument is nothing but a strawman, as you well know. Thats a weak rebuttle. A reserve, a fire extinguisher and a seat belt are not designed to kill. A gun is. You are comparing apples to mangos. Nope - it was designed to propel a small piece of lead at a high velocity. It is *USED* (by some) to kill. I just turned YOUR mango back into an apple, as it was before the strawman.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #17 December 27, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteFinally, good citizens will be able to defend themselves and families legally. I still keep my gun on me going through Chicago. If I ever have to use it, my life depends on it. I don't care if the Chicago popo take me to jail. I'm sick of these news articles "We are a city of sheep, we're proud to be sheep, we will stay sheep." Sure didn't lower the crime in DC. BTW, BAD GUYS WILL ALWAYS BE ABLE TO GET GUNS. Funny, I drive and walk though Chicago every day (and have done for 30 years) and never needed a gun. Nor do I ever expect to. Must be sad to go through life so fearful of being attacked as you seem to be. bad guys will ONLY be able to get guns as long as people like you are their enablers. It must be sad to be so fearful of a malfunction that you carry a reserve.... It must be sad to be so fearful of a crash that you wear a seatbelt... It must be sad to be so fearful of a fire that you keep a fire extinguisher... Preparation != fear. Your "fear" argument is nothing but a strawman, as you well know. Thats a weak rebuttle. A reserve, a fire extinguisher and a seat belt are not designed to kill. A gun is. You are comparing apples to mangos. Nope - it was designed to propel a small piece of lead at a high velocity. It is *USED* (by some) to kill. I just turned YOUR mango back into an apple, as it was before the strawman. Anything can be used to kill with, but not everythign is designed with that intent, except for thing slike guns, bombs, grenades, etc. Unless the reserve, fire extinguisher and seat belt we designed for the same purpose as guns, bombs, grenades, then it's still a mango my friend. Added: Quoteit was designed to propel a small piece of lead at a high velocity If that's case then my car was designed to combust fuel. Except that that's not its purpose. Its purpose is to drive me around with I am controlling it. The reserve saves my life when I use it, the fire extinguisher stops fire when used, a seat belt prevents me from hitting the window when used, and a gun takes a life when used. A gun propels lead, but its purpose is to end a life (and it can be used for recreation too), but recreation is not what it was designed for in the first place.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #18 December 27, 2007 Quote Nope - it was designed to propel a small piece of lead at a high velocity. It is *USED* (by some) to kill. I just turned YOUR mango back into an apple, as it was before the strawman. RIIGGHHT - I bet some Chinese military dude a millenium ago thought "lets invent something to propel stuff at high velocity". And just incidentally, as a by-product, they used it to kill their enemies. Sure! I wonder how many threads in SC have discussed things like "stopping power", "always aim for the center of mass", "shoot to kill, not to maim", etc.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #19 December 27, 2007 Quote Quote It must be sad to be so fearful of attack by multiple armed folks that you have more than one round in your gun Not some much a fear of "miltiple" attackers as a fear of being a bad shot I have 13 plus 1 And a extra magazine. Just in case.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #20 December 27, 2007 wow... you MUST be a'feared. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #21 December 27, 2007 Some people cannot fathom that "stopping, or knock down power" is a myth perpetuated by media, and this who do not understand firearms as well as they should. "Stopping power" and or "Knock down power" is a lazy ass way of describing tissue damage causing trauma to the recipient of the bullet fired. It is not a function of caliber but a function of bullet performance or design. Bullets do not knock any animal down, muscular and nervous systems do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #22 December 27, 2007 Quote RIIGGHHT - I bet some Chinese military dude a millenium ago thought "lets invent something to propel stuff at high velocity". And just incidentally, as a by-product, they used it to kill their enemies. They also used it to make firecrackers, which are used in all sorts of celebrations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #23 December 27, 2007 QuoteFunny, I drive and walk though Chicago every day (and have done for 30 years) and never needed a gun. Nor do I ever expect to. Must be sad to go through life so fearful of being attacked as you seem to be. Same here. 34 years and counting, never have needed a gun. It should also be mentioned that both Kallend and I have worked in some of the highest crime areas of Chicago during that time as well. I spent one summer living on the block that had the highest murder rate in the city (five in one week) and I STILL didn't need a gun or a knife. I've also had someone break into my car and house....yet again, never needed a gun. And honestly, if the FAA can't put fear into Daley, the NRA doesn't have a chance of ever changing that law here while he is in office. That's politics in Chicago for ya._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #24 December 27, 2007 QuoteQuoteFunny, I drive and walk though Chicago every day (and have done for 30 years) and never needed a gun. Nor do I ever expect to. Must be sad to go through life so fearful of being attacked as you seem to be. Same here. 34 years and counting, never have needed a gun. It should also be mentioned that both Kallend and I have worked in some of the highest crime areas of Chicago during that time as well. I spent one summer living on the block that had the highest murder rate in the city (five in one week) and I STILL didn't need a gun or a knife. I've also had someone break into my car and house....yet again, never needed a gun. And honestly, if the FAA can't put fear into Daley, the NRA doesn't have a chance of ever changing that law here while he is in office. That's politics in Chicago for ya. I'm glad you do not feel you need a gun. Why should that prevent someone else? If I was on your block, I'd have a 1911 on my nightstand... Re: Politicos: Daley has an armed protective detail, Aldermen are allowed to carry. Hypocrites.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #25 December 27, 2007 Just because the red line is a block away...do you take it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
