rushmc 23 #26 December 31, 2007 Quote Quote Wow, now YOU are the criminal by kallends definitionthe difference between you and him (IMO) is that you want to take care of yourself and be left alone. HE wants to push his beliefs on you. If that does not speak volumes, (from a lib) nothing does or ever will. What would you call someone who admits to a felony, if not "criminal"? You "law and order" conservatives are now condoning felonies, and believe that felons should have guns. Shame! You have been the one here that challenges the status quo if you think something is wrong. I guess that is only the case when you agree with what is being challenged and oh, by the way, if the SC finds ownership is protected and CC should become the law of the land someday, I will look for your apology"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #27 December 31, 2007 So you only obey laws that you agree with. OK, glad we got that established, Mr. "Law Abiding Citizen".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #28 December 31, 2007 Quote So you only obey laws that you agree with. OK, glad we got that established, Mr. "Law Abiding Citizen". NO, I am saying you only respect and agree with the laws YOU deem reasonable. At least that is what I get from your posts Edited to add You seen to indicate I have broken a law...What law is that perfesser?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #29 December 31, 2007 Quote Well, you just disqualified yourself from the ranks of "law abiding citizens" with your admission that you carry illegally. I knew you were going to go there.... But ALAS, I know these Killinois laws b/c I have been STUDYING them since 1994. So here you go and this is ME! http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/pubact91/acts/91-0690.html Public Act 91-06900 HB0379 ENROLLED (720ILCS 5/24-1)(fromCh.38 par. 24-1 Sec.24-1. UNLAWFUL USE OF WEAPONS (a) Aperson commits the offenseof unlawful use of weaponswhen he knowingly: (1) blah blah blah (2)ditto (3)ditto (4) Carries or possesses in any vehicle or concealed on or about his person except when on his land or in his own abode or fixed place of business any pistol, revolver, stun gun or taser or other firearm, except that this subsection (a) (4) does not apply to or affect transportation of weapons that meet one of the following conditions: (i) are broken down in a non-functioning state; or (ii) are not immediately accessible; or (iii) are unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card; or ....BLAH blah BLAH.... move on down to Section (10)Carries or possesses on or about his person, upon any public street, alley, or other public lands within the corporate limits of a city, village or incorporated town, except when an invitee thereon or therein, for the purpose of the display of such weapon or the lawful commerce in weapons, or except when on his land or in his own abode or fixed place of business, any pistol, revolver, stun gun or taser or other firearm, except that this subsection (a) (10) does not apply to or affect transportation of weapons that meet one of the following conditions: (i) are broken down in a non-functioning state; or (ii) are not immediately accessible; or (iii) are unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card. BLAH BLAH BLAH... I see NO need to BOLD or UNDERLINE the OBVIOUS code above! Basically OUR law...... NOPE MY law (b/c Chicago has THEIR own set of {IMO}>>>UNFOUNDED and Unconstitutional by the U.S.C. laws) says that as long as I dont carry a firearms loaded and concealed into CERTAIN public places, then I can carry a firearm and ammunition... But seperately and not "immeadiately" accesble. They changed a few words around a few years back (cant remember the year) but didnt chnage the law any... Which means.... That it would be left up to the Judge and the report of an arresting officer in whatever jurisdiction in the state of illinois at the time of arrest WHAT defines immeadiatly refers to... Of corse there are those municipalities that I CANNOT do that and thats where I do NOT still break any law(s) b/c i don't take my weapon there.The democrats and others have tried for YEARS to do what California has in effect, but to no avail. I can remeber a dooood running for state senate named Al Salvi (R) ran his ticket PROGUN and after something like six weeks in office after He was elected, he turned and voted with the other side in some gun legis.... He was NOT relected!! Yes The "Law Abiding Citizen" gun owner(s) here in Illinois has and WILL have alot of work to do to keep OUR state (not yours) 2A ALIVE and REAL.... But we can and we SHALL have the right to defend ourselves and our loved ones. I do see a revolution approaching tho but its not all that bloody per se'..... Quote What would you call someone who admits to a felony, if not "criminal"? You "law and order" conservatives are now condoning felonies, and believe that felons should have guns. Shame! The "SHAME" is not knowing.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #30 December 31, 2007 Quote Is this really the argument and rationale on which you all want to base private gun rights? I was just shit-stirring, and oh, did it work...Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #31 December 31, 2007 Let me cite CASE LAW... Illinois vs. McDade No. 1-96-2136 THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS V. RICHARD R. MCDADE Appeal from the Circut Court of "Cook County" No. 95 CR 35311 The Honorable JOSEPH J.URSO, Judge Presiding... And then there was the most recent case of a man up north that His home was burglerized and the THUG took the car and house keys (what an IDIOT) and decided to come back at a later date to do the house again only to find the owner READY... The case went to court, the prosecution was gonna through the BOOK (ILCS 720 blah blah bla) at Him.... But LOST!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #32 December 31, 2007 Game, set match? "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #33 December 31, 2007 Quote Game, set match? wats with the "?".... BAM! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #34 December 31, 2007 Quote I was just shit-stirring, and oh, did it work... for about 35 posts or so and then it was "put to bed"! :DD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #35 December 31, 2007 Quote Quote Game, set match? wats with the "?".... BAM! Please, allow me to re-do my post GAME, SET, MATCH!!!!!!!! YEA"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #36 December 31, 2007 Just remember, there are those that think they are so fair minded that they can choose which rights we are allowed to keep. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #37 December 31, 2007 QuoteJust remember, there are those that think they are so fair minded that they can choose which rights we are allowed to keep. And those who think that way and, are polititions, are the ones most dangerous to our freedoms"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #38 December 31, 2007 We just need to remember that it TOOK 13 years to create this GREAT nation and our founding documents of OURS! NOTHING is perfect tho... Over time, what has happened to the INDIVIDUAL right(s) has been slaping all of us in the face, hince my "revolution" sentiment earlier... I don't want that any more than any of you do. It would be so frickin ugly. However....? We seariously need to HEED what SOME of our founding Fathers believed in for this country and WHY it should be and WHY it SHALL remain without discourse... blues, PEACE, harmony and safety to all! :DD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #39 December 31, 2007 Quote We just need to remember that it TOOK 13 years to create this GREAT nation and our founding documents of OURS! NOTHING is perfect tho... Over time, what has happened to the INDIVIDUAL right(s) has been slaping all of us in the face, hince my "revolution" sentiment earlier... I don't want that any more than any of you do. It would be so frickin ugly. However....? We seariously need to HEED what SOME of our founding Fathers believed in for this country and WHY it should be and WHY it SHALL remain without discourse... blues, PEACE, harmony and safety to all! :DD In the context of this post, have you been following or heard of the We the People Foundation and the law suit they have before the USSC? http://www.givemeliberty.org/"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #40 December 31, 2007 Bob Schultz... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #41 December 31, 2007 Quote Quote We just need to remember that it TOOK 13 years to create this GREAT nation and our founding documents of OURS! NOTHING is perfect tho... Over time, what has happened to the INDIVIDUAL right(s) has been slaping all of us in the face, hince my "revolution" sentiment earlier... I don't want that any more than any of you do. It would be so frickin ugly. However....? We seariously need to HEED what SOME of our founding Fathers believed in for this country and WHY it should be and WHY it SHALL remain without discourse... blues, PEACE, harmony and safety to all! :DD In the context of this post, have you been following or heard of the We the People Foundation and the law suit they have before the USSC? http://www.givemeliberty.org/ A whole lot of chickens being counted before any eggs have hatched.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #42 December 31, 2007 yes Kal.... you called? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #43 December 31, 2007 Quoteyes Kal.... you called? Maybe you'll explain what you meant when you wrote: "While OUR state law says that I cannot "carry conceled" (kinda broad term) i SOMETIMES carry, and nobody knows different".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #44 December 31, 2007 Quote Quote Neither has mine, nor this one - they must be broken, since "their only purpose is to kill"... Gee - the cassette player in my car must be broken, since it has never played a tape. My iPOD must be broken since it has never played a video. My new gas range must be broken since the "dehydrate" function has never been used. The auxiliary inputs to my stereo must be broken since I've never plugged anything into them. Or it could be that your comment was just stupid. That's possible... equally possible is that the "only purpose is to kill" mantra is idiotic.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #45 December 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteyes Kal.... you called? Maybe you'll explain what you meant when you wrote: "While OUR state law says that I cannot "carry conceled" (kinda broad term) i SOMETIMES carry, and nobody knows different". Id be happy to! Illinois law states that carrying a weapon loaded or not in any form outside of their description above, implies, affirmes that a person is in violation of the stated public act. No question about it. So if and when I carry my firearm out in public for my protection, i do so in what the law allows me to. Nothing less and nothing more. When I replied to your post; QuoteA whole lot of chickens being counted before any eggs have hatched. I was just be a bit facetious with you in asking what do you mean by your above statement? I was thinking that possibly you were also be rhetorical. Kal Sir, "SHIT IS going to hit the fan" one of these days for the Liberties and freeedoms of the people of this country... YOU included! And it will NOT be pretty. Some may wanna call that paranoria, doomsayer etc etc, however I don't just go spouting off on things without doing my research and seeing what has happened in the past of WORLDs history. The USA is NOT immune from evil! And evil is what has been bringing America down and WILL continue to do so in the future. WHY? My Bible tells me so thats why... Those who CHOOSE not to "open their eyes" are in fact "in for a rude awakening"... We can start another thread about this if you want to. But I know it is best that we cank this subject here or shortly after your response. But for the most part I believe that the OP topic in this thread is done! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #46 January 6, 2008 QuoteNor have the nuclear weapons held by DPRK, India, Pakistan, Israel, China, Britian, France, or Russia, or the US in over 61 years and those considerably more powerful than any of the weapons discussed thus far. Other than the 1st four, they've all been completely legal acquisition and possessions. What has been less than legal about the acquisition/possession of nukes by Pakistan, Israel, and/or India? "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gene03 0 #47 January 6, 2008 If I remember right Neil you posted a picture of the weapon without a trigger lock on it? Oh the horror. Let's be a little more responsible and put a trigger lock on it, okay? And well you're at it; take it apart and put all the pieces and ammo into a fireproof safe, weld safe shut. Dig a large hole in your basement and suspend the safe in the center of about 9-10 yards of concrete. Then it will never hurt anyone. “The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him. Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
