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Please don’t tell me you have fallen in with group that thinks “They” Hate us because we are free bullshit have you?

What happens to a Muslim woman who decides to be free?

Depends on what country they are living in just like every one else.

I know the circle jerk of the Muslim bashers can’t wait to make random remarks but please try to say something that at least is a reasonable question.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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You were right according to the Onion at least.

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Israel Bombs Anti-Semitism Out Of Lebanon

After decades of periodic conflict with Lebanon that cost thousands of lives, Israel successfully eradicated all traces of anti-Semitism from its northern neighbor with a series of heavy bombing attacks in July.
"Israel really turned us around on the whole Jew-hating thing," said Hezbollah leader Sheikh Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah, shortly after a U.N.–brokered ceasefire was declared on Aug. 14. "After destroying much of our infrastructure and displacing nearly 1 million civilians, we've come to respect Israel as a legitimate power and a beacon of democracy, and not a pack of lying, usurping, hook-nosed dogs."

NEW BEGINNINGS
Now unencumbered by hate or bitterness, Lebanese men walk through the rubble of their former apartment buildings.
The last-ever Israel–Lebanon conflict began on July 12, when Hezbollah militants launched Katyusha missiles into Northern Israel, killed three Israeli soldiers, and kidnapped two others. Despite this initial success, Israel eventually prevailed in ridding the majority-Arab nation of a pervasive prejudice, the roots of which extend to Phoenician times.
Many in the international community were greatly surprised by the development. "We assumed this was just another regional war of attrition, a short-term, semi-effective defensive measure at best, a conflict-feeding 'eye for an eye' tactic at worst," French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy said. "But we see that we were being far too cynical. It's basically resolved now."
Strobe Talbott, president of the Brookings Institution, a Washington–based think tank, said that there was "very strong" evidence that not only was a virulent anti-Jewish sentiment completely wiped out in Israel's bombing campaign against Lebanon, but so was any hard-line political opposition to Israel's existence or its annexing of the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and Golan Heights following the Six-Day War in 1967, and general anger over Israel's treatment of Palestinians.
"It's remarkable to think that, had Hezbollah been capable of making surgical pre-emptive strikes against Israeli military installations and densely populated urban centers, Israel would most likely be renouncing Zionism and abandoning the region at this very moment," Talbott said in August.
The bombings have had the most significant impact on Lebanon's youth. Many who saw parents and friends killed in the attacks said they will now spend the rest of their lives supporting Israel.
"I was upset at first when a bomb destroyed my school and killed many of my schoolmates and left me without legs," said Tyre bombing victim Sherifa Ayoub, 14, as she wheeled down her rubble-strewn street. "But as the days went on, and the bombs continued to fall, I began to realize that I had spent my whole young life arbitrarily lashing out at a people I thought I hated, when, all along, what I really hated was myself."
Israel's crushing victory has led Talbott and other Mideast experts to speculate that the nation may go on to bomb the anti-Semitism out of such hostile neighbors as Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Darius.. you have to see that when you post things that are apologetic to the Hezbollah.. and ergo. the Iranian cause...we might just get the idea that you also follw their stated goals.. and to them.. ALL Israelis and all Jews are combatants... Just like they now want to put patches on Jews in Iran.. remember that thread???

THe Arab countires did unspeakable things to their jews in the 1940's and 1950's.... how come you never find something wrong in that???

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Darius.. you have to see that when you post things that are apologetic to the Hezbollah.. and ergo. the Iranian cause...we might just get the idea that you also follw their stated goals.. and to them.. ALL Israelis and all Jews are combatants... Just like they now want to put patches on Jews in Iran.. remember that thread???

THe Arab countires did unspeakable things to their jews in the 1940's and 1950's.... how come you never find something wrong in that???

I expect most intelligent people to base their opinions on facts and not assumptions.
I also expect most intelligent people to understand the with us or against us mentality is incorrect as most shades of life are gray and not solid black or white.

I think that’s only your view of me or some views of me.
The people who have not made up their mind about me on assumptions and have actually based there opinion of me on what I have actually said would know I am not a racist, I have no hate for any race. I do not let my sense of camaraderie with any group cloud my vision or judgment. i think that is something many lack.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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>Hypocrite.

Your one warning.

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THe Arab countires did unspeakable things to their jews in the 1940's and 1950's.... how come you never find something wrong in that???

Can you mention a thread where that was brought up and I said anything supporting murder of inocent people?

I have said over and over again that killing inocent people is wrong. But I hold it wrong for every one not just Muslims.

It seems the majority of the views expressed here seem to only have an issue when Muslims kill inocent people and excuse the rest. Just as you are doing with your explanation of how much money we spend on guided weapons.

Dead is dead.
Are government is a warmonger all you have to do is look at our history. You can't be a warmonger and pretend you want liberty and peace. That saying about fucking for virginity comes to mind.

I express my views because they rarely expressed by others. Most people have mob mentality and believe the garbage that is feed to them. That is specially true in the United States as a small percentage of the people will go to an out side source for there news and information. That is not the case in many other countries.

Not to mention we have over 40% of the population 6that thinks or worst knows thing that are simply not true. Like Iraq attacked us on 9-11. We do not have a well-informed population and it shows.


Edit to add: That last sentence might enrage some of the people reading it, but that doesn’t make it untrue. That seems to be my problem I tend to say things that are true regardless of how it is going make people feel, or what they will think of me. Story of my life.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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What happens to a Muslim woman who decides to be free?

This one got the Nobel Peace Prize: Shirin Ebadi

VR/Marg

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
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Yes the US has and does at times target civillians.

More bullshit.... like I told Darius.. we have spent trillions of dollars designing weapons to limit collateral damage... we have forgone taking out high value targets OVER AND OVER AND OVER again....when there was a known possibility of collateral damage.

Our Enemy seeks to kill innocents and specifically targets them... numerous documents from AQ point this out....Rock on Holy Warriors

Remember US jets bombing the Serb TV station killing 17 journalists? That was no millitary target. The same was contemplated for Al Jezeera TV. The US also bombed the French embassy on its way out of Tripoli in revenge for not being allowed to over fly French airspace on its way to the attack. Then there was the USAF bombing of the Chinese Embassy. I could go on but QED.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/...,2763,206967,00.html

http://www.cpj.org/..._FOIA_08oct03na.html

http://www.infoimagination.org/.../precision_bomb.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/...roshima_and_Nagasaki

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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>Hypocrite.

Your one warning.

Sorry that should have read 'that was a hypocritical point of argument'.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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>Hypocrite.

Your one warning.

Sorry that should have read 'that was a hypocritical point of argument'.

or another way to avoid a PA write "just because you hate brown people"

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or another way to avoid a PA write "just because you hate brown people"

Yeah.. that one does seem to be in vougue right now

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Remember US jets bombing the Serb TV station killing 17 journalists? That was no millitary target. The same was contemplated for Al Jezeera TV. The US also bombed the French embassy on its way out of Tripoli in revenge for not being allowed to over fly French airspace on its way to the attack. Then there was the USAF bombing of the Chinese Embassy. I could go on but QED.

Serb broadcasting station.. your links do not work by the way. legitimate target... especially with what they were broadcasting at the time
Here you will like this revisionist history piece.
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/nato1.html

We had all wondered how long it would be before Nato decided that Radio Televizija Srbija should join the list of "military" targets. Spokesmen had long objected to its crude propaganda - itincluded a Nato symbol turning into a swastika and a montage of Madeleine Albright growing Dracula teeth in front of a burning building. It never reported on the tens of thousands of Albanian refugees who spoke of executions and "ethnic cleansing" in Kosovo. It endlessly repeated films that depicted Yugoslav soldiers as idealised heroes defending their country. It carried soporific tapes of President Slobodan Milosevic meeting patriarchs, Cossacks, Russian envoys and the Kosovo Albanian leader Ibrahim Rugova.


Gee it was done under NATO command..

They hit it at 2 AM.. to knock out the PROPOGANDA arm of the Serbians who were participating in ethnic cleansing ......oh.....oh... wait for it now....of MUSLIM Albanians ( wow.. the great satan helping muslims.. go figure)

Any idea why they might of hit it at 2 am????? If we wanted to take out all of the staff that was participating gleefully in making the serb attrocities plausible to their people.. then I would think we hit it at 10 AM on Monday morning when everyoine is in for meetings.

Could it be to limit collateral damage... hmmmmm oh the humanity

Al Jazeera at the time.. same thing... if you want to report the news I think you might want to stay away from biased reporting that COULD make you a supporter of the ENEMY... you become a legitimate target.. Period... War is war.. so get over it. Broadcasting... command and control.. all become legitimate targets and those who are in the facility become combatants.

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The United States was denied overflight rights by France and Spain as well as the use of European continental bases, forcing the Air Force portion of the operation to be flown around France and through the Straits of Gibraltar, adding 1,300 miles (2,100 km) each way and requiring multiple aerial refuelings. The attack lasted about ten minutes. Several targets were hit and destroyed, but some civilian and diplomatic sites in Tripoli were struck as well, notably the French embassy, when a number of bombs missed their intended targets.

That happened on April 15, 1986... over 20 years ago.. smart bombs were not nearly as smart or as accurate as they are today... and anyway... DUDE.. its the FRENCH...
http://100years.upi.com/sta_1986-04-15b.html

The French Embassy in Tripoli was badly damaged in the raid but there were no reports of injuries to embassy personnel.


Hiroshima and Nagasaki... over 60 years ago.. no smart bombs at the time.. and in the context of that war in that time.. I think the Japanese got off easy for the MILLIONS of people they had butchered in China and across the Pacific.. their treatment of American POW.. and... DUDE.. they starrted it..

I attribute me being alive because we dropped the bomb.. yhou will get NO sympathy from me or from my father who was in the First Marine Division and had survived GuadalCanal and all the way thru the Island war they brought to us.

The Chinese Embassy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Bombing_of_the_Chinese_embassy_in_Belgrade

On May 7, 1999 in Operation Allied Force, NATO bombs hit the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade, Yugoslavia, killing three Chinese citizens and outraging the Chinese public. At the time of the bombing, the embassy was located in Novi Beograd – later, a new site was designated for the embassy in Dedinje. NATO later apologized for the bombing, saying that it occurred because of an outdated map provided by the CIA. Few Chinese accepted this explanation, believing the strike had been deliberate.[2] One subsequent media report supported this view,[3] but this was disputed by other sources.[4] CIA director George Tenet said the operation which led to the bombing of the Chinese embassy was the only one organized and directed by his agency.




Mapping error does not make for an intentional strike against INNOCENT civilians.. The CIA and the Mapping agencies that Smart weapons rely on are only as good as the intelligence of what is being targeted... Mistakes happen..



Now with all that said.... do our ENEMIES INTENTIONALLY target innocents... bet your sweet Muslim Brotherhood they do.

http://www.emergency.com/bladen98.htm

The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God."

This is in addition to the words of Almighty God "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill- treated (and oppressed) -- women and children, whose cry is 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'"

We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson.

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or another way to avoid a PA write "just because you hate brown people"

Yeah.. that one does seem to be in vougue right now

yup, but that his only one. You are still the master.

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Hey when you have great ones like NEO-CONS... and CHICKENHAWKs that apply to SOOO many on the right.... you just have to use them.

I also.. love this one for the right wing that sadly fits far too well..... getting your politics from the pulpit because they are too fucking stupid to actually rub a couple brain cells together.

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Please don’t tell me you have fallen in with group that thinks “They” Hate us because we are free bullshit have you?

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What happens to a Muslim woman who decides to be free?

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Depends on what country they are living in just like every one else.

I know the circle jerk of the Muslim bashers can’t wait to make random remarks but please try to say something that at least is a reasonable question.

In countries that are run by Muslim theocracies, freedom is not an option.

I don't know how to post videos, but I saw a series on Youtube about a young homeless girl who was raped by more than one man, sent to prison, and eventually hung from a crane.[The gallows of choice, apparently.] Where was the religion of Justice in that case?

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In countries that are run by Muslim theocracies, freedom is not an option.

Again you are wrong.


In countries that are run by ANY theocracies, Freedom is not an option.
Remeber what the curch did not so long ago.

As for videos: Vile acts are not just specific to Muslims but to all vile people who do them. That’s kind of the point. There are bad people everywhere to group Muslims or say Muslims and every chance you get is simply stupid and misleading as it is not the Muslims part of the person that makes them evil or cruel. We simply have some cruel people in this world regurdless of religion.

Statements that are made such as “Islam wants to kill Americans because we are free” are simply fueled by ignorance.

It should not be hard to grasp why we are hated.
When you kill people’s families or interfere with their lives in a negative way they will not like you.
These are all simple concepts however it does require open eyes to see them.

Also when you are mentioning why you hate a group of people you should make sure your group has not done the same or even worst things.

Excuses can be made till the sun stops burning, but facts are facts, and hypocrisy is just ugly.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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As for videos: Vile acts are not just specific to Muslims but to all vile people who do them. That’s kind of the point. There are bad people everywhere to group Muslims or say Muslims and every chance you get is simply stupid and misleading as it is not the Muslims part of the person that makes them evil or cruel. We simply have some cruel people in this world regurdless of religion.

Are you telling me that the young, homeless girl, being raped, sent to jail, beaten and eventually hung, under the authority of the Muslim theocratic court system, while the men got off with a slap on the wrist, is only because the court system is just cruel? Not because it's totally influenced by Islamic law?

I know. Justice is blindfolded, and accidentally got the criminals and the victim mixed up.

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Do you even read my posts?

If you are talking about a certain case post the links you have or give us all the facts then we can discuss it, or better yet open new thread.

As stated before
In countries that are run by ANY theocracies, Freedom is not an option.
Remember what the church did not so long ago.

Just as the crusaders, the Salem trials and a lot of other bad, violent, cruel, unjust, and horrible things were done in the name of Christianity, things of that nature happen in the Muslim world as well.

Both are BAD. Ok let me say this again both are BAD BAD BAD. However neither one of those acts should be your guide to what Christianity or Islam stands for.

That’s my point that you either intentionally or unintentionally NEVER GET. Don't feel bad it's not just you.

So to make statements about all of the Middle East or all Muslims is simply stupid.


The other point is this: We are not hated because we are free, we are hated because of our actions.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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The referred-to post was wonderful. Point for point. I haven't read the rest of the thread (yet), but this alone justifies it.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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The other point is this: We are not hated because we are free, we are hated because of our actions

Sorry...but I think that we can also hate those who have attacked us and kill them where ever they are... we normally call these people our ENEMY.

Then....there are those who apologize for the atrocities incessantly.

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>I think that we can also hate those who have attacked us and kill
> them where ever they are... we normally call these people our ENEMY.

Unfortunately, a great many people now call _us_ their enemy for exactly the same reason.

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Unfortunately, a great many people now call _us_ their enemy for exactly the same reason.

That makes it imperative for the US to get really good at killing our enemies... they dont want to talk.. they do not want to make peace ... then make war on those who wish to destroy us.

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>That makes it imperative for the US to get really good at killing our enemies...

And makes it clear to them that they have to strike first. Creating a world of enemies that we can kill is a poor plan for the future.

>then make war on those who wish to destroy us.

Nope. Make war on those who TRY to destroy us. Heck, if an otherwise peaceful Muslim applied your own logic to you, their logical conclusion would be to kill you before you kill their families.

A better approach for him would be to let you live your own life (no matter what you say) until you actually do try to kill him and his family. And that goes both ways.

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Sorry...but I think that we can also hate those who have attacked us and kill them where ever they are... we normally call these people our ENEMY.

I don't think anyone is in disagreement with what you stated above.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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The referred-to post was wonderful. Point for point. I haven't read the rest of the thread (yet), but this alone justifies it.

Wendy W.

Thank you Wendy.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca