pop 0 #1 January 4, 2008 I am happy with that. Huckabee and Ron Paul are pretty good options form the Rep side in my opinion. I am surprised with Obama bin Ladin taking the lead for the Dem. Maybe its living in the south, but I have not been under the impression that America is ready for a black president. Will be interesting to see how that plays out.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #2 January 4, 2008 >I am surprised with Obama bin Ladin taking the lead for the Dem. I think a lot of people in this country want a change in our current mess of a government - and Clinton and Edwards represent more of the same. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #3 January 4, 2008 Quote>I am surprised with Obama bin Ladin taking the lead for the Dem. I think a lot of people in this country want a change in our current mess of a government - and Clinton and Edwards represent more of the same. They *all* (with the possible exception of Ron Paul) represent more of the same.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #4 January 4, 2008 >They *all* (with the possible exception of Ron Paul) represent more of the same. Even Obama's opponents object to his inexperience on the basis that "he doesn't know how Washington works." He's clearly not "one of the same" Washington tools, even per his opponents. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #5 January 4, 2008 QuoteI am happy with that. Huckabee and Ron Paul are pretty good options form the Rep side in my opinion. I am surprised with Obama bin Ladin taking the lead for the Dem. Maybe its living in the south, but I have not been under the impression that America is ready for a black president. Will be interesting to see how that plays out. Wow, how racist. Yeah, a fundie preacher. What a great option for chief executive. [/irony][/sarcasm]Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #6 January 4, 2008 QuoteI am happy with that. Huckabee and Ron Paul are pretty good options form the Rep side in my opinion. I am surprised with Obama bin Ladin taking the lead for the Dem. Maybe its living in the south, but I have not been under the impression that America is ready for a black president. Will be interesting to see how that plays out. I can't fathom putting Huckabee and Ron Paul in the same category. Paul is the best the Republicans have to offer. Huckabee and Giuliani are the worst."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #7 January 4, 2008 Quote They *all* (with the possible exception of Ron Paul) represent more of the same. You think Kucinich would be more of the same? You must not have been noticing what he has been doing and saying over the last six years."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #8 January 4, 2008 >You think Kucinich would be more of the same? Kucinich would definitely liven things up in DC! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #9 January 4, 2008 QuoteQuoteI am happy with that. Huckabee and Ron Paul are pretty good options form the Rep side in my opinion. I am surprised with Obama bin Ladin taking the lead for the Dem. Maybe its living in the south, but I have not been under the impression that America is ready for a black president. Will be interesting to see how that plays out. I can't fathom putting Huckabee and Ron Paul in the same category. Paul is the best the Republicans have to offer. Huckabee and Giuliani are the worst. I agree with you on the counts of Ron Paul and Rudy Giuliani. Ron Paul seems to be the only candidate still living in reality. With Huckabee I have mixed feelings, but I like him better than the rest of the cadidates based on a few issues such as his view of our tax system. He also seems to have more spontaneous answers whereas everyone else's seem canned.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #10 January 4, 2008 Quote>You think Kucinich would be more of the same? Kucinich would definitely liven things up in DC! -I- would liven things up in Washington, but that's not a very good basis for electing the President is it?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #11 January 4, 2008 I for one am not putting a lot of stock in the outcome of Iowa. As we've seen in other years, the winner in Iowa is not always the one who get's the party's nomination in the end. It's far from over. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #12 January 4, 2008 Quote>You think Kucinich would be more of the same? Kucinich would definitely liven things up in DC! About a month ago I saw Mrs Kucinch interviewed, and one question she was asked was if Dennis would consider being Ron Paul's running mate. She indicated he would definitely consider it. Just a few days ago I read a rumor that Obama might consider asking him."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #13 January 4, 2008 QuoteI for one am not putting a lot of stock in the outcome of Iowa. As we've seen in other years, the winner in Iowa is not always the one who get's the party's nomination in the end. It's far from over. I suspect Iowa is Huckabee's ideal place for support. I doubt he will do nearly as well in NH."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #14 January 4, 2008 I'd love to see Ron Paul as a running mate to Obama. Or Huckabee. Or Guiliani, or... It wouldn't hurt to return to the days of a liberal in one slot and conservative in the other, would it? When did it change, where the VP was always the same party as the Pres? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwampThing 0 #15 January 4, 2008 Quote Quote I for one am not putting a lot of stock in the outcome of Iowa. As we've seen in other years, the winner in Iowa is not always the one who get's the party's nomination in the end. It's far from over. I suspect Iowa is Huckabee's ideal place for support. I doubt he will do nearly as well in NH. *** Huckabee & Norris The Pessimist says: "It can't possibly get any worse!" The Optimist says: "Sure it can!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #16 January 4, 2008 I'm kind of ambivalent about the primaries. I think Bill Richardson on the left is the best of the bunch on that side of the house, but he has no chance of winning. I disagree with a lot of things Huckabee says, but I do like his willingness to look at the FairTax (which needs work, but is a good starting point). Having read Obama's take on foreign policy, he is without question not ready to step into the Oval Office. It's going to be an interesting election cycle! Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwtom 0 #17 January 4, 2008 Quote Wow, how racist. Yeah, a fundie preacher. What a great option for chief executive. [/irony][/sarcasm] with upcoming retirements Huckabee could and would turn the SCOTUS into the socially most conservative in a long time with a lot of serious consequences. His voter base in Iowa was massively evangelical though - so this (hopefully) does not predict much about his chances in states like CA, NY, or a general election. Cheers, T ******************************************************************* Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwtom 0 #18 January 4, 2008 Quote I think Bill Richardson on the left is the best of the bunch on that side of the house, but he has no chance of winning]. my early favorite - but he turned out to be a pretty clumsy debater. Quote Having read Obama's take on foreign policy, he is without question not ready to step into the Oval Office. what if he picks Richardson as running mate Quote It's going to be an interesting election cycle! especially after these results - everything is open - it's a political junkies paradise Cheers, T ******************************************************************* Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #19 January 4, 2008 What in your opinion would make America ready for a black President? Maybe if America is half way ready he still stands a chance When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #20 January 4, 2008 Quote >You think Kucinich would be more of the same? Kucinich would definitely liven things up in DC! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Kucinich#Cleveland_Mayoralty.2C_1977.E2.80.931979 In the book Best and Worst of the Big-City Leaders, 1820–1993, Melvin G. Holli, in consultation with a panel of experts, placed Kucinich among the ten worst big-city mayors of all time for reasons of temperament and performance... He certainly "livened" things up as mayor of Cleveland. I remember the town under this asshat. I'm sure he's hoping people will forget what a terrible job he did. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #21 January 4, 2008 QuoteI am happy with that. Huckabee and Ron Paul are pretty good options form the Rep side in my opinion. I am surprised with Obama bin Ladin taking the lead for the Dem. Maybe its living in the south, but I have not been under the impression that America is ready for a black president. Will be interesting to see how that plays out. Just to be contrary, he's not black, he's white. So is his mother. Maybe now we can throw those racist race baiters, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the like, on to the trash heap of history. It beats an angry, screeching, man hating, socialist, feminist, and many people recognize this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #22 January 4, 2008 Huckabee - chose to wear his religion on his sleeve and took the "old people without jobs in small towns" vote from the right. I thought it was about ideas, not pandering to some constructed identity. I don't like him for that. I don't respect any vote based on that. The only good thing he supports is the fair tax which won't be allowed to happen no matter who backs it. Obama - A clear vote that people DON'T like Hillary at all. A clear vote that people don't much like trial lawyers (same ol' same ol') politics either. Good for them. I hope this continues in every state. It's not like the Dems have a fiscally conservative candidate in the trio, at least someone not too drunk on expectations like Obama will cause minimal damage vs the others. I'm disturbed that Obama also put in his speech a couple nuggets about race. I thought he was above the whole 'pander' to the idiots that vote on identity advertising instead of on ideas. In Iowa - I have to just reject the reps there. They are just plain out to lunch. At least the dems in Iowa can pick the best from the crappy batch they are presented with. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piper17 1 #23 January 4, 2008 The US is/was ready for a "black" president. Anyone remember Colin Powell? He would have walked away with the national vote but had no interest in running. I doubt it is a matter of race but, rather, what they stand for and their experience. Obama has next to nothing in the way of practical experience in running anything! Colin Powell, on the other hand, had extensive military (leadership, management, etc) experience as well as foreign policy and "Washington" experience."A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #24 January 4, 2008 QuoteI for one am not putting a lot of stock in the outcome of Iowa. As we've seen in other years, the winner in Iowa is not always the one who get's the party's nomination in the end. It's far from over. I agree not to mention Huckabee did get a lot of votes but most of those votes were from Evangelical Christians. He only got 14% of the non-Evangelical vote. not really that great in the long run. All of them are full of shit with one exception maybe two. Ron Paul, And Fred Thomson. I agree with Paul especially on his foreign policy, don’t agree with FT much but I at least I think he is honest for what he stand for.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #25 January 4, 2008 QuoteQuoteI am happy with that. Huckabee and Ron Paul are pretty good options form the Rep side in my opinion. I am surprised with Obama bin Ladin taking the lead for the Dem. Maybe its living in the south, but I have not been under the impression that America is ready for a black president. Will be interesting to see how that plays out. Just to be contrary, he's not black, he's white. So is his mother. Maybe now we can throw those racist race baiters, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the like, on to the trash heap of history. It beats an angry, screeching, man hating, socialist, feminist, and many people recognize this. If hes white then I'm fucking anaemic.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
