mnealtx 0 #251 January 9, 2008 Quote Quote So, you have evidence of just how many parents make up the set of "plenty", then.... other than "all those bible-thumpers", of course. Are you really going to ask that question? When he says "I base my statements on logic and evidence" and then pops out with that? Absolutely, I'm going to call him on it. I'm not even going into the "Global Warming as religion" hypothesis... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #252 January 9, 2008 First off, I am not that religious a person but in my own way I do believe there is a "God" (just wanted to put that up front) Now to my question. Why are so many of you so insecure and scared of those who are religious or are very religious ? The preach responcibility, self control and morality. Only the nuts (who are in the minority) work as activily as the libs to control others lives and living rules. I really dont get it. I dont like the Pat Robertsons of the world but I sure as hell am not scared of him. Even though much of what those like him preach in and of itself is not bad stuff. And, please dont get into the extreem money and other bs as that is not what I am talking about"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #253 January 9, 2008 I'm not even going into the "Global Warming as religion" hypothesis... AWww, please??"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #254 January 9, 2008 Quote Quote AS well as the moral context of the facts you list above Maybe we could better understand you if you'd elaborate on the "moral context of the facts" above? (Here's a polite suggestion too. Write our your thoughts. Leave it for 5 minutes. Come back, re-read/edit for clarity, and leave us a good post that we can read, understand, and then refute if we disagree) edited to add: and then I'll make an attempt to not be snarky all the time, because fuck, am I tired of writing the same shit over and over again. You was too quick as that was only up a couple of seconds, but it gives you a good attack opening Oh, and only YOU have to repost huh? Are you reading anything you type? Or I type?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n23x 0 #255 January 9, 2008 Flat out, I have zero problem with anybody's religious beliefs. Whether or not they believe I'm going to burn in hell, or that I'm an infidel, or whatever, I could honestly not care less. More specifically, I am excited for people who feel a 'spiritual connection' of some sort, without organized religion, but that's not the point, and my religious views are neither here nor there. However, when one group feels the need to indoctrinate me with their 'ideals', or govern the way I live with it, that is a different matter. And why are specific ideals the problem? Because not everybody has the same ones. And that's ok! My life, my employment, and some of the things that make me the most happy revolve around the sciences: things that are testable, repeatable, and provide a model of what to expect. The things I have seen taught in sex ed/health classes are all facts. Not morals. That's not really what public education needs to be there for. Just facts. Fact: a condom is a barrier between sperm and an egg. Fact: if you put a condom on correctly, you drastically reduce the likelihood of failure of that barrier. Fact: Gravity will not keep your girlfriend from getting pregnant if you do it standing up. I guess I still don't understand where you concern with morals comes into play here. Could you provide examples of a few you'd like health courses to either do or not do? .jim"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n23x 0 #256 January 9, 2008 I am reading this crap (both sides), it just doesn't make a lick of sense to me, Marc. .jim "Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,032 #257 January 9, 2008 QuoteQuote Do you want to talk about liberal PC correcteness damage? How about the social damage caused "tollerance" that your side preaches but does not live by? And it is because of "progressive" (I love that code word) idealogy that allowes sex to be sold to our kids on TV and the media under the gise of free speech. Oh that is one to love. I'm sick of people wanting the government to parent for them. From sex ed to regulating the media, it's all done "for the children!" Whatever happened to being a parent, talking to your own kids about sex, and monitoring their tv and internet use? Why single out sex education as a parental responsibility? We don't schools to delegate to parents responsibility for all the rest of life sciences, chemistry, physics, mathematics, etc. There's no logic whatsoever is saying that one small part of scientific knowledge is out of bounds for schools.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,032 #258 January 9, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Do you want to talk about liberal PC correcteness damage? How about the social damage caused "tollerance" that your side preaches but does not live by? And it is because of "progressive" (I love that code word) idealogy that allowes sex to be sold to our kids on TV and the media under the gise of free speech. Oh that is one to love. DittoI'm sick of people wanting the government to parent for them. From sex ed to regulating the media, it's all done "for the children!" Whatever happened to being a parent, talking to your own kids about sex, and monitoring their tv and internet use? Amazing that you get so hung up about sex, but care almost nothing about war, poverty, and a homicide rate that is the highest in the "western" world. I think you have your priorities all wrong.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #259 January 9, 2008 Quote Why single out sex education as a parental responsibility? We don't schools to delegate to parents responsibility for all the rest of life sciences, chemistry, physics, mathematics, etc. There's no logic whatsoever is saying that one small part of scientific knowledge is out of bounds for schools. The BIOLOGY of sex should be taught in school. Social agendas, on the other hand, should be left to the parents. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #260 January 9, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Do you want to talk about liberal PC correcteness damage? How about the social damage caused "tollerance" that your side preaches but does not live by? And it is because of "progressive" (I love that code word) idealogy that allowes sex to be sold to our kids on TV and the media under the gise of free speech. Oh that is one to love. DittoI'm sick of people wanting the government to parent for them. From sex ed to regulating the media, it's all done "for the children!" Whatever happened to being a parent, talking to your own kids about sex, and monitoring their tv and internet use? Amazing that you get so hung up about sex,I am not , that has never been tht point but I see you dont get it but care almost nothing about war, Wow, how you come to conclusions like this one make me wonder why I spend time replying to youpoverty, and a homicide rate that is the highest in the "western" world. I think you have your priorities all wrong. No, my priorities are in the right place. My priorities revolve around my taking responcibility for me. My priorities think all governements should think that people should be responcible for themselves instead of trying to create a place where the government takes care of everybody. My priorities think those that take care of themselves are happier, more productive, more inovative and build stronger family, friends and communities. My priorities say those that can help those that cant but not by giving the money to the Governement and let them dictate how that should be done My priorities say that a government should small enough with few enough laws so as not to intrude on peoples lives any more than necessary, but big enough to keep us safe when the Osama, Sadams and Hitlers of the world come knocking. My priorites push me toward taking care of myself, not trying to tell you or others how to think, what to think and what to teach others children. But I know too, the socialists of the world dont get it"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #261 January 9, 2008 The BIOLOGY of sex should be taught in school. Social agendas, on the other hand, should be left to the parents. This is what you and I think. It is not what socialists and "progressives" think. Why? Cause you and I are not smart enough (because we do not agree with them) so they NEED to take care of us"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #262 January 9, 2008 Quote The BIOLOGY of sex should be taught in school. Social agendas, on the other hand, should be left to the parents. This is what you and I think. It is not what socialists and "progressives" think. Why? Cause you and I are not smart enough (because we do not agree with them) so they NEED to take care of usIf you want thousands of unwanted teenage pregnancies teaching about sex without teaching about relantionships and responsibility is a great way of achieving that. Don't belive me? Come to the UK and have a look.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,501 #263 January 9, 2008 QuoteQuote>>What I meant was that some people want sex-ed to reflect their values >>rather than just sticking to the science. >Finally, some one that gets it!!! You maybe just said it better than I did. Cool, then we agree after all! Students should be taught: -the facts on how STD's are transmitted -the facts on how to use birth control -the facts on pregnancy The moral lessons of the above should be left to the parents. Yes, and I have never denied that. Many of you (in your gotta control modes) just assumed something I never said. No one on this thread has even suggested that anything more than the above be taught in sex-ed. If you agree with the above, then what the hell is it about sex-ed that's been making you so angry?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZJ 0 #264 January 9, 2008 Just a simple question - when talking about sex education in school, what age are we talking about? Primary/elementary level? Older than that; 12, 14, 16? For my part, I remember having lessons about puberty and 'where babies come from' when I was 10 or so, and then the reproductive science and STD side of things variously between 13 and 16. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #265 January 9, 2008 Quote Quote Quote >>What I meant was that some people want sex-ed to reflect their values >>rather than just sticking to the science. >Finally, some one that gets it!!! You maybe just said it better than I did. Cool, then we agree after all! Students should be taught: -the facts on how STD's are transmitted -the facts on how to use birth control -the facts on pregnancy The moral lessons of the above should be left to the parents. Yes, and I have never denied that. Many of you (in your gotta control modes) just assumed something I never said. No one on this thread has even suggested that anything more than the above be taught in sex-ed. If you agree with the above, then what the hell is it about sex-ed that's been making you so angry? I am angry? You all got to stop thinking you know it all"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #266 January 9, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote >>What I meant was that some people want sex-ed to reflect their values >>rather than just sticking to the science. >Finally, some one that gets it!!! You maybe just said it better than I did. Cool, then we agree after all! Students should be taught: -the facts on how STD's are transmitted -the facts on how to use birth control -the facts on pregnancy The moral lessons of the above should be left to the parents. Yes, and I have never denied that. Many of you (in your gotta control modes) just assumed something I never said. No one on this thread has even suggested that anything more than the above be taught in sex-ed. If you agree with the above, then what the hell is it about sex-ed that's been making you so angry? I am angry? You all got to stop thinking you know it all You seem to be oblivous to how your posts are coming across. By reading your posts in this thread it appears that you are very upset and angry and I am not the only one that is getting that vibe from your posts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,501 #267 January 9, 2008 QuoteI am angry? You all got to stop thinking you know it all If you don't think you're coming across as angry you hould take another look at Bill's compilation of your best insults. Let's put it another way - if you agree with all of Bill's sex-ed points then what part of sex-ed is it that you actually object to? Could you finally give some actual examples of the alternative morality, anti-religious sex-ed that you think is going on?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #268 January 10, 2008 To hell with the children, how about those frisky seniorshttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20395061/ "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #269 January 10, 2008 Quote To hell with the children, how about those frisky seniorshttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20395061/ Between boob jobs, penile implants and Alzheimer's, we've got horny senior citizens who WANT to get it on but can't remember HOW... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #270 January 10, 2008 Quote Quote To hell with the children, how about those frisky seniorshttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20395061/ Between boob jobs, penile implants and Alzheimer's, we've got horny senior citizens who WANT to get it on but can't remember HOW... They should had took notes, way back when, in sex ed instead of giggling everytime certian words were spoken. I wonder how well they do on the oral exams. "more than half of those aged 57 to 75 said they gave or received oral sex, as did about a third of 75- to 85-year-olds.""...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #271 January 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote To hell with the children, how about those frisky seniorshttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20395061/ Between boob jobs, penile implants and Alzheimer's, we've got horny senior citizens who WANT to get it on but can't remember HOW... They should had took notes, way back when, in sex ed instead of giggling everytime certian words were spoken. I wonder how well they do on the oral exams. "more than half of those aged 57 to 75 said they gave or received oral sex, as did about a third of 75- to 85-year-olds." They just take out their dentures and.... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,032 #272 January 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote To hell with the children, how about those frisky seniorshttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20395061/ Between boob jobs, penile implants and Alzheimer's, we've got horny senior citizens who WANT to get it on but can't remember HOW... They should had took notes, way back when, in sex ed instead of giggling everytime certian words were spoken. I wonder how well they do on the oral exams. "more than half of those aged 57 to 75 said they gave or received oral sex, as did about a third of 75- to 85-year-olds." They just take out their dentures and.... Based on what I read in Bonfire, I reckon this old guy is getting rather more than the average 25y/o skydiver... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #273 January 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote To hell with the children, how about those frisky seniorshttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20395061/ Between boob jobs, penile implants and Alzheimer's, we've got horny senior citizens who WANT to get it on but can't remember HOW... They should had took notes, way back when, in sex ed instead of giggling everytime certian words were spoken. I wonder how well they do on the oral exams. "more than half of those aged 57 to 75 said they gave or received oral sex, as did about a third of 75- to 85-year-olds." They just take out their dentures and.... Based on what I read in Bonfire, I reckon this old guy is getting rather more than the average 25y/o skydiver Is it the dentures? Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #274 January 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote To hell with the children, how about those frisky seniorshttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20395061/ Between boob jobs, penile implants and Alzheimer's, we've got horny senior citizens who WANT to get it on but can't remember HOW... They should had took notes, way back when, in sex ed instead of giggling everytime certian words were spoken. I wonder how well they do on the oral exams. "more than half of those aged 57 to 75 said they gave or received oral sex, as did about a third of 75- to 85-year-olds." They just take out their dentures and.... Based on what I read in Bonfire, I reckon this old guy is getting rather more than the average 25y/o skydiver Is it the dentures? Is it the "gums""...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,032 #275 January 10, 2008 Quote Is it the "gums" No. Lower.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
