Tony-tonysuits 0 #51 January 10, 2008 It's been debunked over and over and over again. Just do an internet search. --------------------------------------- so your saying they didn't have a terrorist training exercise in London at the same station at the same time and also on 911 at the world trade center THE SAME DAY?????? the list of irregularity's is so large, ok maybe you can find some discrepancy's, but who knows what fact's can be " covered up or converted who knows, we never will, will we?Life is a series of wonderful opportunities, brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. tonysuits.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony-tonysuits 0 #52 January 10, 2008 What about the portion of the video that showed the column sheared in manner consistent with demo practices and appeared to have been blasted or melted? ---------------------------------- yes, how much proof do we need to be even a little bit suspect, the problem is, you cant stand up to them, you will get a bullet in the brain or your brakes fail, whatever, you cant fight a guy with a gun, many have proven this to be trueLife is a series of wonderful opportunities, brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. tonysuits.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcandalysse 0 #53 January 10, 2008 I wasn't sure how part I about religion fits into it all....but I thought that part well done for most of it. Errors arise throughout the video. Even the site has a page correcting some of them. But if the 'Occult Powers that Be' really were controlling the sources of information, then how did we get to see this video in the first place through the internet??? Couldn't 'they' easily have it removed rather than let it pollute our minds and set us straight?What they say about the education system is interesting. Back in the seventies there were books written mentioning that daily schooling was created to keep all those millions of kids off the streets and out of the workplace. And if everyone was truly educated, society would change too quickly. The whole radio frequency microchip following our every action is science fiction, and has been brought up among others by christian groups as the 'mark of the beast' mentioned in the bible. I have worked with both RFID and the databases that would be needed to follow our activities. Both technologies are way behind what is presented. Those small RFID chips don't transmit very far for starters. And even though database technology can accumulate lots of information about us and certainly do such, the ability to connect databases to each other and analyse them properly to our detriment is still in infancy for better or for worse. Human incompetency covers alot of the issues....not so much a concerted effort to enslave us, but rather our own laziness at educating ourselves and standing up to those who would diminish our freedoms and privacy. Hard to say where the creator of the video is coming from...libertarian, Noam Chomsky fan, former communist, all and more of the above....not clear at all. But his conclusions include that WE MUST THINK FOR OURSELVES, LOVE MORE THAN FEAR EACH OTHER, and get off our asses and make a difference! I certainly agree with those....thanks Tony for posting the link... marc "The reason angels can fly is that they take themselves so lightly." --GK Chesterton Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Para_Frog 1 #54 January 10, 2008 Tony, they're major targets. We train to defend major targets all the time. And the reason the badguys - yes the badguys - were able to so successfully execute these black ops is due to lack of oversight and bureaucracy. (Thank litigation against profiling as well as well as the Jamie Gorelick "wall" - a topic for another time) I'm in the business of spreading hate and discontent in the shadows of our conflicts, and trust me, there is no way in hell we could pull something off so large, so well, and so quietly. It's a shame, but it's very very true. Even ODD guys, who are supposed to be lock silent, have been busted for blogging and running their mouths. That super cool level of secret efficiency that the tin hat folks rely on in our government is a pipe dream. We are a model of inefficiency, waste, fraud, disloyalty and self-promotion, and abuse. But we manage to get shit done - just in an ugly fashion. Long live the military-industrial machine!- Harvey, BASE 1232 TAN-I, IAD-I, S&TA BLiNC Magazine Team Member Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #55 January 10, 2008 Quote But his conclusions include that WE MUST THINK FOR OURSELVES, LOVE MORE THAN FEAR EACH OTHER, and get off our asses and make a difference! Exactly -- people seem to be missing this. As much bs as there may be in this movie (my biggest problem with it is that there are no cites or documentation presented in the film), the fact that it raises questions is not a bad thing at all. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #56 January 10, 2008 QuoteEvery once in a while I paused the movie to check a fact. Many were wrong. If you're not willing to do that and you take this movie for the truth and don't question it then I can't help you. ----------------------------------------- well please do tell us, what facts were wrong and who it was that delivered the second version of the "facts" I listened to a lot of people in that video that were experts, the very people that designed the WTcenter, were his statements incorrect? I know...... a Gov spokesperson said he was wrong correct? and that Kennedy was shot by one majik bullet people think it unpatriotic to criticize there government, I think it's unpatriotic to NOT see the corruption, the lies, the constitution started...WE THE PEOPLE, didn't it? I thing big Gov, big Pharmaceutical and the FDA forgot that bit There's no "government side" that I'm taking. I think what this movie demonstrates is that people are willing to swallow what's told to them without verifying it for themselves. Some of their points are right, some are wrong. Go verify it for yourself and quit just taking the government's word, this movie's word or MY word. Edit: I've already posted examples of things that were wrong."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjunken 0 #57 January 10, 2008 QuoteQuote But his conclusions include that WE MUST THINK FOR OURSELVES, LOVE MORE THAN FEAR EACH OTHER, and get off our asses and make a difference! Exactly -- people seem to be missing this. As much bs as there may be in this movie (my biggest problem with it is that there are no cites or documentation presented in the film), the fact that it raises questions is not a bad thing at all. If you look on the site there is a sources page and an interactive transcript (with sources), but for only part 1. It seems to be pretty detailed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #58 January 10, 2008 I am amazed people still believe this is possible for our government to pull this off...simply not possible to get thousands of people to not talk about something of this magnitude. Like videos? Conspiracy theories are easy to believe...it takes some work to research the scientific proof behind what happened and the forensic proof that is there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #59 January 10, 2008 Quote Tony, they're major targets. We train to defend major targets all the time. And the reason the badguys - yes the badguys - were able to so successfully execute these black ops is due to lack of oversight and bureaucracy. (Thank litigation against profiling as well as well as the Jamie Gorelick "wall" - a topic for another time) I'm in the business of spreading hate and discontent in the shadows of our conflicts, and trust me, there is no way in hell we could pull something off so large, so well, and so quietly. It's a shame, but it's very very true. Even ODD guys, who are supposed to be lock silent, have been busted for blogging and running their mouths. That super cool level of secret efficiency that the tin hat folks rely on in our government is a pipe dream. We are a model of inefficiency, waste, fraud, disloyalty and self-promotion, and abuse. But we manage to get shit done - just in an ugly fashion. Long live the military-industrial machine! This is something Conspiracy Theorists in general don't want to get: The world is not "under control" of the Powers That Be, the Illuminati, Big Corporations, or whatever. The truth is that even the Rich and the Powerful are blundering around through this life very much like the rest of us poor slobs. The world is NOT all sewn up tight & neat. Perhaps that's what scary to Conspiracy Theorists. They want to believe that Someone is in control. And so much the better if that belief can be used to validate political hatreds. The Rich and the Powerful are depicted as inhuman alien-like beings: capable of conspiracies that good, decent ordinary folk like you and me would be morally incapable of enacting. But the Rich and the Powerful are different from normal humans : They are INHUMANLY evil. And they are also supremely intelligent & efficient at carrying out their diabolical plans! Nothing is beyond them! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Para_Frog 1 #60 January 10, 2008 Exactly. Paris Hilton actually runs the world. Fucking Mooks.- Harvey, BASE 1232 TAN-I, IAD-I, S&TA BLiNC Magazine Team Member Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony-tonysuits 0 #61 January 10, 2008 I wasn't sure how part I about religion fits into it all....but I thought that part well done for most of it. --------------------------------------- yes, wasn't that interesting, how so many of the religions through all those age's used the same dates, dec 25th, the sun reaching its winter low then 3 days to start "arising" fabulous coincidence's ah? and all the Moses' stuff and how they had similar names, how bout the theory that none of the "reporters" in Jesus's time mentioned him and maybe he didn't even exist, heavy stuffLife is a series of wonderful opportunities, brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. tonysuits.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #62 January 10, 2008 The aluminum foil goes shiny side out!!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #63 January 10, 2008 QuoteWhat about the portion of the video that showed the column sheared in manner consistent with demo practices and appeared to have been blasted or melted? ---------------------------------- yes, how much proof do we need to be even a little bit suspect, the problem is, you cant stand up to them, you will get a bullet in the brain or your brakes fail, whatever, you cant fight a guy with a gun, many have proven this to be true Oh, for God's sake... if THAT were the case, do you think this "film" or "Fahrenheit 911" would even have been MADE??? Get a grip and do some research.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #64 January 10, 2008 QuoteThis is something Conspiracy Theorists in general don't want to get: The world is not "under control" of the Powers That Be, the Illuminati, Big Corporations, or whatever. There is something those who make the "tin-foil hat" comments don't want to get: most of the world's wealth is concentrated in the hands of *very* few people. With outrageous amounts of wealth in the hands of a few people who act in concert (Bilderberg Group is just one example), small groups can have tremendous influence over government and economies. I don't believe in a Masonic conspiracy or the "Illuminati" or the "Reptilian Agenda" or "chemtrails"...I think those theories are plain silly because there really is no proof to back those ideas up. But at the same time...I've posted these quotes before (without ever hearing a response about them)...when it's out of the mouths of the ruling elite themselves, I'd like to see how one can simply dismiss these words as "conspiracy bunk." James Warburg addressing the Senate: Quote"We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The question is only whether world government will be achieved by consent or by conquest." David Rockefeller (founding member of Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and dozens of other similar organizations) from his 2002 memoirs: Quote"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it. As far as corporations and their control go, look at our government and who's been buying it out for decades. Look at who globalization benefits in the end... But of course, it's easy to just dismiss it all as conspiracy bunk, because we don't hear about any of this in the mass media. I don't think that there's an "illuminati" or "reptilian" conspiracy, nor do I think that the inordinate influence these rich folks hold over world affairs is worth ignoring. I think the truth lies somewhere in between, and that people should be more aware of what's going on and vote accordingly. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony-tonysuits 0 #65 January 10, 2008 Tony, they're major targets. We train to defend major targets all the time. And the reason the badguys - yes the badguys - were able to so successfully execute these black ops is due to lack of oversight and bureaucracy. (Thank litigation against profiling as well as well as the Jamie Gorelick "wall" - a topic for another time) ---------------------------------- so your saying that when the bad guys heard there was terrorist training exercise's at the train station in london and at the world trade center they thought they'd slip right in and not be noticed? which is in fact what happend because everyone alerted thought it was an exercise, ----------------------------------------------- I'm in the business of spreading hate and discontent in the shadows of our conflicts, and trust me, there is no way in hell we could pull something off so large, so well, and so quietly. ------------------------------------- go read Natural healing by Kevin Trudau ? he was part of a secret society, he made millions of $, then he said he'd had enough and has written about how the drug company's want you sick, how the FDA ignore the meat growers feeding cows a diet of dead pig's, goat's and cows all mashed up, Yummy, but there mostly diseased pigs goats and cows ahh, but cows don't eat meat as we all know, its no wonder we got mad cow disease, now healers get shut down for practicing natural remedy's ha, what a zoo, here's a good one, 15 years ago I was cured of pneumonia with homeopathy, I haven't had a cold sinceLife is a series of wonderful opportunities, brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. tonysuits.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #66 January 10, 2008 Quote look at our government and who's been buying it out for decades. Look at who globalization benefits in the end... Look at which political party is pushing strongest TOWARD globalization/collectivism... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #67 January 10, 2008 which one is that? seems like they're both doing it in just slightly different ways. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #68 January 10, 2008 Quote Quote look at our government and who's been buying it out for decades. Look at who globalization benefits in the end... Look at which political party is pushing strongest TOWARD globalization/collectivism... Both parties are. Which one is doing it that much more than the other is irrelevant to me. Coming from you, I'm assuming you're implying its the democrats. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #69 January 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote look at our government and who's been buying it out for decades. Look at who globalization benefits in the end... Look at which political party is pushing strongest TOWARD globalization/collectivism... Both parties are. Which one is doing it that much more than the other is irrelevant to me. I don't deny they both are, which is why I worded it as I did. One's just been at it longer. Quote Coming from you, I'm assuming you're implying its the democrats. I'm not implying anything, I've outright stated it several times.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #70 January 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote look at our government and who's been buying it out for decades. Look at who globalization benefits in the end... Look at which political party is pushing strongest TOWARD globalization/collectivism... Both parties are. Which one is doing it that much more than the other is irrelevant to me. I don't deny they both are, which is why I worded it as I did. One's just been at it longer. Quote Coming from you, I'm assuming you're implying its the democrats. I'm not implying anything, I've outright stated it several times. Well, I personally haven't seen you state anything about the democrats and globalization before, which is why I figured you're implying something. I've seen you attack the democrats countless times on other issues though. I don't have your "my team vs. their team" mentality, so pardon if I'm completely missing your point about democrats -- I don't see how it fits into this discussion when both parties are guilty as hell of selling the people of this country out to multinational corporate interests. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #71 January 10, 2008 WE MUST TELL THE WORLD!!! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #72 January 10, 2008 QuoteI don't have your "my team vs. their team" mentality, so pardon if I'm completely missing your point about democrats -- I don't see how it fits into this discussion when both parties are guilty as hell of selling the people of this country out to multinational corporate interests. Yet oddly enough, I can't seem to recall you ranting about the Dems, only the Reps. They're both pushing us down the road to hell in a handbasket, but absent stopping the damn thing altogether, I prefer 50mph over 150mph...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #73 January 10, 2008 Quote WE MUST TELL THE WORLD!!! anyone remember GTAVercetti's Tinfoil hat? Now that one had STYLE! I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #74 January 10, 2008 Quote Yet oddly enough, I can't seem to recall you ranting about the Dems, only the Reps. Refer to Lucky's Warren Buffet thread if you're interested in seeing me rant about democrats. Nonetheless, I don't think binary. And I think it's a bit silly that you imply I lean democratic when my candidates of choice are Republicans. Quote They're both pushing us down the road to hell in a handbasket, but absent stopping the damn thing altogether, I prefer 50mph over 150mph... They're both pushing us to hell in a handbasket in different ways. It's more like 145mph vs. 150. To quote you, "your bias is showing." Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #75 January 10, 2008 QuoteAnd I think it's a bit silly that you imply I lean democratic when my candidates of choice are Republicans. Silly me, seeing all those rants against Republicans vs. the one about Dems that you mention. Quote To quote you, "your bias is showing." Seeing as how one of my major 'trigger issues' is the 2nd Amendment, there's not much chance of a Dem getting my vote.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
