BIGUN 1,314 #51 January 12, 2008 QuoteBut in any case, I think the programmable thermostat has a lot of possibilities. Here's how I'd implement it: 1) Start a utility-based program that exchanges thermostats, heater and hot water controls for free. Call it managed power. Allow people to opt out if they so choose. If they sign up they get a 25% reduction in energy rates. 2) During power shortages, the thermostat cuts back 2-4 degrees from the standard setting. 3) During imminent blackouts, the steps, in order, would be: -black out people not on managed power -disconnect A/C compressors for people on managed power -black out people on managed power In this way, managed power could also help older people who a) have trouble paying for power and b) can't afford a blackout (stairclimber, elevator, dialysis machine etc.) Not that unlike major industries that install Propane Stand-By Systems, so they can negotiate an interruptible rate with the gas utilities. Win/WinNobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #52 January 12, 2008 QuoteQuoteBut in any case, I think the programmable thermostat has a lot of possibilities. Here's how I'd implement it: 1) Start a utility-based program that exchanges thermostats, heater and hot water controls for free. Call it managed power. Allow people to opt out if they so choose. If they sign up they get a 25% reduction in energy rates. 2) During power shortages, the thermostat cuts back 2-4 degrees from the standard setting. 3) During imminent blackouts, the steps, in order, would be: -black out people not on managed power -disconnect A/C compressors for people on managed power -black out people on managed power In this way, managed power could also help older people who a) have trouble paying for power and b) can't afford a blackout (stairclimber, elevator, dialysis machine etc.) Not that unlike major industries that install Propane Stand-By Systems, so they can negotiate an interruptible rate with the gas utilities. Win/Win Win/Win? Ok......."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gene03 0 #53 January 12, 2008 Bill, do you really think for one minute that the "cradle-to-grave" socialists will be content to stop at your thermostat?“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him. Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #54 January 12, 2008 QuoteBill, do you really think for one minute that the "cradle-to-grave" socialists will be content to stop at your thermostat? Actually I think we have seen far more intrusion from our home grown fascists in the last 7 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #55 January 12, 2008 Quote>If you force people to do this they will just install a window unit. I doubt it. Although I am sure there are people who would do it just to give a good old "fuck you" to "the man", most people won't notice (beyond their power bills going down.) People noticed that car A/Cs weren't doing as well when the replacement freon got implemented. I think they'd also notice the 4 degree difference in the house AC. As others suggest, one can get used to less air conditioning, but I think many will fight it, in ways that probably defeat the gains, at least at the home level. Office parks, otoh, would be all over the idea, as companies would love to spend less on power and have a nice justified reason to do so. (but not my datacenters!) Somewhat on a tangent - I've had to use my heaters more this year than in the past 4 at my current apartment. I need a nice programmable thermostat that will come on/off twice a day and understand weekends. Temperature control in SF is so infrequently necessary that I have one of the more primitive solutions available. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gene03 0 #56 January 12, 2008 In agreement with you girl, I was just choosing some kindler and gentler words. “The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him. Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #57 January 12, 2008 Quote In agreement with you girl, I was just choosing some kindler and gentler words. Other than a few items in the Patriot Act, what is new in the last 7 years?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #58 January 12, 2008 I would tell you.. But King George the II's goons are listening in. By the way.. I was actually trained in how to resist interrogation and indoctrination.. BY THE GOVERNMENT.. How about you guys.. you seem to be indoctrinated pretty well.. by Lush Rimjob and Savage and Faux News Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #59 January 12, 2008 Quote I would tell you.. But King George the II's goons are listening in. No..... not cause of "King George" it is really cause you cant "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #60 January 12, 2008 You want to believe all is well and good with this administration.... indoctrination complete. No one has been jailed illegally No one has been transferred to another country to get around our laws No one has been subjected to torture If you are not doing anything wrong.. what do you have to worry about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #61 January 12, 2008 Quote You want to believe all is well and good with this administration.... indoctrination complete. No one has been jailed illegally No one has been transferred to another country to get around our laws No one has been subjected to torture If you are not doing anything wrong.. what do you have to worry about. Thanks for validating my point"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #62 January 12, 2008 QuoteThanks for validating my point Thanks for validating mine.... So.. when are your sons going to be old enough to be the next generation of World Police officers???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #63 January 12, 2008 QuoteQuoteThanks for validating my point Thanks for validating mine.... So.. when are your sons going to be old enough to be the next generation of World Police officers???? You answer my question first. What is "King George" doing that is NEW???"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #64 January 12, 2008 I know it will reallllly be difficult... but THINK back to all the news reports.. and threads here in SC.. its been asked and answered many times.... Think of what the Supreme Court who appointed him in the first place has said in decisions of where the Executive branch has exceeded its bounds over and over. Think of all the things that Mr Gonzales told the administration could get away with.. if they just weasel worded their ways around the laws of this country. But the problem is you and your buddies think that is a good thing.... to abrogate international treaties.. and the laws of our land..hopefully it will not bring about a country that will be far different than what the document that our founding fathers authored and the right is paying lip service to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #65 January 12, 2008 QuoteI know it will reallllly be difficult... but THINK back to all the news reports.. and threads here in SC.. its been asked and answered many times.... Think of what the Supreme Court who appointed him in the first place has said in decisions of where the Executive branch has exceeded its bounds over and over. Think of all the things that Mr Gonzales told the administration could get away with.. if they just weasel worded their ways around the laws of this country. But the problem is you and your buddies think that is a good thing.... to abrogate international treaties.. and the laws of our land..hopefully it will not bring about a country that will be far different than what the document that our founding fathers authored and the right is paying lip service to. Thanks I knew you would not answer because the answer is, nothing. I know you will not accept that but I dont care. I have never conversed in any way with someone with as radical views as yours. It is hard to understand (for me at least) where such anger and vitrol can come from but........ I am not saying I agree with everything but that is not the point here now is it. Now I am going back to ignoring you........"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #66 January 12, 2008 Quote I knew you would not answer because the answer is, nothing. I know you will not accept that but I dont care. I have never conversed in any way with someone with as radical views as yours. It is hard to understand (for me at least) where such anger and vitrol can come from but........ I am not saying I agree with everything but that is not the point here now is it. Now I am going back to ignoring you........ Come on.. rub a few brain cells together to try and overcome the years of indoctrination and MAYBE you might just be able to see it.. Hell even the furiners on here see it.. I know its really hard for you being subjected to such an education system... and getting all your opinions from the EIB.. but man..do it for your kids who will have to live in a far different country from what our founding fathers envisioned....oh thats right.. you WANT that far different country... Indoctination complete Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #67 January 12, 2008 Edison already offers a credit to those who allow a radio-controlled regulator to be attached to your heater/air conditioner unit. On HIGH peak days they can turn off your unit from their home office (and give you a large credit for doing so). This is only during peak hours M-F when I'm at work anyway, so no harm/no foul. I've actually ran in the black (they owe me money) during the summer when they active it. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #68 January 12, 2008 For my kids???Hell, not listening to YOU is for my kids"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #69 January 12, 2008 Pssst... you are ignoring me remember. So.. when do they get to go to Right Wing Yugand Camp??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #70 January 12, 2008 Quote >Battery can be removed. Google "ultracaps." Suffice to say that if the government wanted to monitor what you'd been saying, removing the battery would not stop their efforts. Me and my friends use triple DES on our phone calls, and one time pads for our conversations. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #71 January 12, 2008 Quote Hey John, how about this one which seems to be related. The enviros hero, Mr Hanson, is going to testify at the Marshalltown Iowa power plant construction permit hearing. (and of course he is being PAID to come)... I suppose Alliant execs and PR men don't get paid to attend permit hearings to make their case. 32,000,000 tons of CO2, wasn't it? www.radioiowa.com/gestalt/go.cfm?objectid=3AE9A834-B39B-1DC8-E46C309EA672CB72... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #72 January 12, 2008 > Bill, do you really think for one minute that the "cradle-to-grave" >socialists will be content to stop at your thermostat? Nope, and I'm sure the tinfoil-hatters will see this as the government planting bugs in people's houses. Best to ignore both methinks, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #73 January 12, 2008 > I think they'd also notice the 4 degree difference in the house AC. They might - if they were home at all. As someone else pointed out, peak demand usually happens when people aren't home. >I need a nice programmable thermostat that will come on/off twice a day >and understand weekends. They're pretty cheap and readily available at places like Home Depot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #74 January 12, 2008 ....all coal fired power plant will be regulated out of existance in the near future.......... What an idiot "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #75 January 12, 2008 Quote Quote Hey John, how about this one which seems to be related. The enviros hero, Mr Hanson, is going to testify at the Marshalltown Iowa power plant construction permit hearing. (and of course he is being PAID to come)... I suppose Alliant execs and PR men don't get paid to attend permit hearings to make their case. 32,000,000 tons of CO2, wasn't it? www.radioiowa.com/gestalt/go.cfm?objectid=3AE9A834-B39B-1DC8-E46C309EA672CB72 Hey perfesser. ah, you get paid fer yer job?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
