Drug Tests for Welfare Recipients?

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Wheelchair-bound kid born with spastic triplegic cerebral palsy due to mothers drug use thinks so. Bill named for him has been introduced in CA.

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A Mira Loma high school sophomore born with a disabling condition brought on by his mother's drug abuse will see his proposal to screen welfare applicants for narcotics introduced this year before the state Assembly, a lawmaker announced Friday.

R.J. Feild, a student at Jurupa Valley High School, competed with more than 200 students from campuses across Riverside County in Assemblyman John J. Benoit's "There Ought To Be a Law" contest. The youths composed 500-word essays stating what new laws they believe should be put on the books.

http://www.mydesert.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080112/NEWS01/801120335/1026/news12
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I'm opposed to drug testing in/for employment, at school, etc., but somehow this seems different to me. But is it really any different? Does drug use currently result in denial of welfare benefits under CA or any other state's laws? Should it?

I'd like to read his essay, but haven't found it yet. Please post link if you find one.

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Is drug use currently prohibited for welfare recipients in CA or any other states?

Drug use is prohibited for everyone unless you have a note from your doctor. Why should welfare recipients be any different?

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Is drug use currently prohibited for welfare recipients in CA or any other states?

Drug use is prohibited for everyone unless you have a note from your doctor. Why should welfare recipients be any different?

Here's what I meant to say:

"Does drug use currently result in denial of welfare benefits under CA or any other state's laws?"

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
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How about drug tests for driver's licenses, gun purchases and concealed carry permits? How about drug tests for corporate welfare? We can bring in the CEO and have him piss in a cup.....

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i'm all for drug tests for welfare. why the fuck should my tax dollars pay for someone's drug habit?

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This is another example of a misinformed public. How does taking money away from drug addicts help the children? Alcohol is the real threat to an unborn child. Do you know why you almost never hear about crack babies anymore?

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"Does drug use currently result in denial of welfare benefits under CA or any other state's laws?"

Drug use or any criminal record results in denial of public housing benefits in AR.

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here comes the "what about the children?" agruement. i'll go ahead and say it. FUCK THE CHILDREN! i know that's not a very popular stance, but i think we could drastically reduce welfare rolls in one generation IF there was just one generation of children growing up without nanny.gov taking care of them.

as far as not hearing about crack addicted babies, i don't know why you don't hear about them. my wife delivered plenty of them when she did a rotation in jackson, ms. they still happen quite a bit.

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i'm all for drug tests for welfare. why the fuck should my tax dollars pay for someone's drug habit?

A positive drug test would not constitute proof that your tax dollars were spent on drugs. Maybe all the state's money went to groceries and a friend supplied the drugs one night in a fit of generosity.

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very true, but unfortunately, if you are on welfare you will just have to pass on you friend's generocity. here's the deal, many jobs require drug tests. if you are on welfare, you should be looking for work. while looking for work you need to keep yourself clean until you know whether or not your new job will require a drug test. i've personally turned down the generocity of friends while trying to find a job.

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very true, but unfortunately, if you are on welfare you will just have to pass on you friend's generocity. here's the deal, many jobs require drug tests. if you are on welfare, you should be looking for work. while looking for work you need to keep yourself clean until you know whether or not your new job will require a drug test. i've personally turned down the generocity of friends while trying to find a job.

I think you're referring to unimployment insurance, as opposed to welfare. Either way, I'm opposed to compulsory drug tests in general, whether they're required by the government or by prospective employers. I don't think the make-up of my blood is anyone's business but mine (and occasionally my doctor).

Blues,
Dave

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not confusing the two, just making the assumption that if you are on welfare, you should be looking for a job. i understand your opposition to drug tests, but if you are going to ask the tax payers to give you money, then you should give up your right to privacy. if i'm going to pay someone's rent, i have a right to know that that person isn't doing drugs. its a voluntary thing, if a person wants the handout, they can voluntarily submit to drug testing.

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The original post and article is about a kid who is handicapped because his mother apparently was an alcoholic and drug addict who happened to be receiving welfare. So the kid wants a bill passed to drug test welfare recipients, presumably to prevent what happened to him from happening to other children. The flaw in this logic is assuming that receiving welfare is a determining factor in whether someone is a alcoholic or drug addict. A drug addict or alcoholic can always find a way to get their fix. Taking away welfare is not the solution to his problem. My post was not intended to argue for or against welfare, as that is a separate issue.

The reason why you don't hear about crack babies anymore is because it was a "myth." Don't believe me? Google "crack babies." Then look up fetal alcohol syndrome.

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i'm all for drug tests for welfare. why the fuck should my tax dollars pay for someone's drug habit?

Well, with a law like this, your tax dollars will probably be paying for not only someone's drug habit, but the drug tests too, and the Zydot that fools the drug tests.

Anyhow, the bigger problem in this story seems to be that a woman was using drugs while pregnant, not that she was using drugs while on welfare. A drug test probably wouldn't have prevented her from using drugs during her entire pregnancy, though it might have made a small difference.

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very true, but unfortunately, if you are on welfare you will just have to pass on you friend's generocity. here's the deal, many jobs require drug tests. if you are on welfare, you should be looking for work. while looking for work you need to keep yourself clean until you know whether or not your new job will require a drug test. i've personally turned down the generocity of friends while trying to find a job.

I think you're referring to unimployment insurance, as opposed to welfare. Either way, I'm opposed to compulsory drug tests in general, whether they're required by the government or by prospective employers. I don't think the make-up of my blood is anyone's business but mine (and occasionally my doctor).

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Dave

Hm, so if an employer will not hire you becaue you refuse to submit to a drug test, would you consider a legal fight?

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very true, but unfortunately, if you are on welfare you will just have to pass on you friend's generocity. here's the deal, many jobs require drug tests. if you are on welfare, you should be looking for work. while looking for work you need to keep yourself clean until you know whether or not your new job will require a drug test. i've personally turned down the generocity of friends while trying to find a job.

I think you're referring to unimployment insurance, as opposed to welfare. Either way, I'm opposed to compulsory drug tests in general, whether they're required by the government or by prospective employers. I don't think the make-up of my blood is anyone's business but mine (and occasionally my doctor).

Blues,
Dave

Hm, so if an employer will not hire you becaue you refuse to submit to a drug test, would you consider a legal fight?

No. As far as I know, that fight has been fought and was lost. I think it's a sad statement about my compatriots, but it's not something I feel strongly enough about to strive for change (other than through my votes).

Blues,
Dave

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very true, but unfortunately, if you are on welfare you will just have to pass on you friend's generocity. here's the deal, many jobs require drug tests. if you are on welfare, you should be looking for work. while looking for work you need to keep yourself clean until you know whether or not your new job will require a drug test. i've personally turned down the generocity of friends while trying to find a job.

I think you're referring to unimployment insurance, as opposed to welfare. Either way, I'm opposed to compulsory drug tests in general, whether they're required by the government or by prospective employers. I don't think the make-up of my blood is anyone's business but mine (and occasionally my doctor).

Blues,
Dave

Hm, so if an employer will not hire you becaue you refuse to submit to a drug test, would you consider a legal fight?

No. As far as I know, that fight has been fought and was lost. I think it's a sad statement about my compatriots, but it's not something I feel strongly enough about to strive for change (other than through my votes).

Blues,
Dave

I dont know about any other fights but I was curious as to your thought process.

There are some interesting positions within this thread that give one much to think about.

Thanks

Marc

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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The reason why you don't hear about crack babies anymore is because it was a "myth."

my wife is an ob/gyn. she has delivered crack babies. i will believe her over google.

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not confusing the two, just making the assumption that if you are on welfare, you should be looking for a job. i understand your opposition to drug tests, but if you are going to ask the tax payers to give you money, then you should give up your right to privacy. if i'm going to pay someone's rent, i have a right to know that that person isn't doing drugs. its a voluntary thing, if a person wants the handout, they can voluntarily submit to drug testing.

Agree; and feel the need to point out that technically there is no such thing as mandatory drug testing. People are often confronted with choices they do not like to own. If an employer (or govt or sports committee or mom & dad or whatever) asks a person to take a drug test - the person has a choice. They can say yes or they can say no, and live with the consequences either way. But rarely is anyone FORCED to take a drug screening test.

Personally, I am opposed to them, and would not work for an employer that did them. But I do think that for certain jobs it is prudent to test for certain abuses.

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not confusing the two, just making the assumption that if you are on welfare, you should be looking for a job. i understand your opposition to drug tests, but if you are going to ask the tax payers to give you money, then you should give up your right to privacy. if i'm going to pay someone's rent, i have a right to know that that person isn't doing drugs. its a voluntary thing, if a person wants the handout, they can voluntarily submit to drug testing.

Agree; and feel the need to point out that technically there is no such thing as mandatory drug testing. People are often confronted with choices they do not like to own. If an employer (or govt or sports committee or mom & dad or whatever) asks a person to take a drug test - the person has a choice. They can say yes or they can say no, and live with the consequences either way. But rarely is anyone FORCED to take a drug screening test.

Personally, I am opposed to them, and would not work for an employer that did them. But I do think that for certain jobs it is prudent to test for certain abuses.

In some cases it is not the employer but the federal gov. A CDL comes to mind. Another example of Fed mandated drug testing is if you work on, or supervise those that work on gas pipe lines. Distribution or transmission lines. In these cases the DOT mandates random testing.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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The reason why you don't hear about crack babies anymore is because it was a "myth." Don't believe me? Google "crack babies."

It is my understanding that the "crack baby" thing was exaggerated for the "war on drugs," but I don't believe it is a myth that crack use during pregnancy will harm an unborn child.

And from what I have read, alcohol abuse is more damaging to an unborn child than most other hard drugs. So yes, fetal alcohol syndrome is a serious concern as well.

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I'm an employer in an at-will state. I can put just about any requirement on you as a job applicant that I want to, as long as it's not a protected class issue.

Cliff's notes version: If you're mad I demand a drug screen, Fuck You... tough shit, Cheech.

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I'm an employer in an at-will state. I can put just about any requirement on you as a job applicant that I want to, as long as it's not a protected class issue.

Cliff's notes version: If you're mad I demand a drug screen, Fuck You... tough shit, Cheech.

I dont know the rules as you do. I am not supporting or arguing against DT. I only posted some info I think many did not know.

As for your notes? I have no idea what you tried to say

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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The reason why you don't hear about crack babies anymore is because it was a "myth." Don't believe me? Google "crack babies." Then look up fetal alcohol syndrome.

Not a myth. I've seen plenty of 'em. Taken care of 'em. Fetal alcohol syndrome causes more obvious problems down the road. Their relative effects on the child doesn't negate the fact that cocaine is bad for babies.

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Do you know why you almost never hear about crack babies anymore?

... because there are other drugs like meth or common pain medications (of course alcohol). My daughter was telling me about a welfare "mother" so high she dropped her new baby and didn't know it.

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