"Homicide Bomber"

[Douva 0]

Seriously, Fox News, is this really necessary? Do the conservatives really need their own flavor of political correctness? Aren't most terrorist bombers attempting homicide? Isn't the real distinction that some of them are attempting it by blowing up themselves? Isn't that distinction the reason the term "suicide bomber" was coined in the first place?

Timothy McVeigh was a homicide bomber, but he wasn't a suicide bomber. I suppose it's also possible to be a suicide bomber without being a homicide bomber.

Words have meaning; quit clouding the issues with rhetoric.

I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names.

[skydyvr 0]

It's the conservative response to the liberal faction's hijacking of the words "gay" and "marriage", along with the completely corrupted use of "phobe" used in "homophobe".

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[Douva 0]

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It's the conservative response to the liberal faction's hijacking of the words "gay" and "marriage", along with the completely corrupted use of "phobe" used in "homophobe".

Like I said, words have meaning.

I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names.

[Darius11 12]

Unfortunately we have a lot of stupid people. People who can’t afford the time to do any research of there own or have no interest to do so. They depend on the media solely for their information not realizing the information they receive is heavily slanted towards one side or the other. The most unfortunate thing is this. I don’t believe it has ever been any easier to find correct information and do your own research as it is now.

Unlike many countries most Americans trust there media so when they say insurgents few ask why are we calling them that it is just assumed to be true. I think they have changed the name to homicide bomber so every time it is mentioned people are reminded that people died and to have no sympathy for the bomber. When suicide is mentioned (which is the correct term) some one might actually wonder what lead the man or the woman to be willing to kill him/her self to hurt there enemy.

God forbid if we ever think our enemies are human and any thing like us.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[billvon 3,008]

> Seriously, Fox News, is this really necessary?

Newspeak! I like it. Structure language to bend people's perceptions of reality.

[Skyrad 0]

Surley until the bomber inquestion has been found guilty they should be refered to as 'The alleged homocide bomber"
Maybe they'll start talking about 'homicide gunmen' or 'homicide knifeman'or 'Homicide drug dealer'?

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[skydyvr 0]

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I think they have changed the name to homicide bomber so every time it is mentioned people are reminded that people died and to have no sympathy for the bomber.

Yep. I think the reasoning goes: "What's more important, the suicide or the homicide? Well, since it's the homicide, we're gonna start calling it a Homicide Bombing."

Fox has been pushing this language-use change for years with little success.

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[Skyrad 0]

So when are they going to change their name to " Fox Propergander"?

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[piper17 1]

Well, if these nutters just wanted to commit suicide, they could strap on their favorite C-4 vest, go off to a remote spot in the desert and blow themselves up...harming no one else.

Since, however, they prefer to take as many innocent people along with them on their way to their 78 virgins, it would seem "homicide" would be more accurate.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

[billvon 3,008]

>Since, however, they prefer to take as many innocent people along
>with them on their way to their 78 virgins, it would seem "homicide" would
>be more accurate.

So what do you call someone who puts an IED alongside a road and kills US troops? Can't call him the same thing; using the same term for two different things is, of course, not a good idea. Perhaps you could call him "a homicide non-suicide bomber!"

[JohnRich 4]

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I think they have changed the name to homicide bomber so every time it is mentioned people are reminded that people died and to have no sympathy for the bomber. When suicide is mentioned (which is the correct term) some one might actually wonder what lead the man or the woman to be willing to kill him/her self to hurt there enemy. God forbid if we ever think our enemies are human and any thing like us.

They mostly kill innocent men, women and children who have nothing at all to do with their grievances against their enemy. Therefore they deserve no sympathy, and they are in fact not humans like us, but rather, monsters.

And it doesn't surprise me to see you sympathizing with these inhuman monsters once again.

[Shotgun 1]

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It's the conservative response to the liberal faction's hijacking of the words "gay" and "marriage", along with the completely corrupted use of "phobe" used in "homophobe".

How is the use of "phobe" corrupted? It means someone who is afraid of or averse to something, so "homophobe" is a legitimate word to describe someone who is afraid of or averse to homosexuality.

[Darius11 12]

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And it doesn't surprise me to see you sympathizing with these inhuman monsters once again

Trust me when I say your post does not surprise me either.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[mnskydiver688 0]

American soldiers have never killed innocent men, women, and children in the past?

Sky Canyon Wingsuiters

[rushmc 23]

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American soldiers have never killed innocent men, women, and children in the past?

Please help me understand how this statement is relevant to this thread.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[skydyvr 0]

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How is the use of "phobe" corrupted? It means someone who is afraid of or averse to something, so "homophobe" is a legitimate word to describe someone who is afraid of or averse to homosexuality.

You are correct, but the word is typically applied to persons who strictly do not "approve" of homosexuality.

One can "not approve" of homosexuality on religious or other grounds, yet not really have any "fear" of it. In short, "homophobe" is applied to anyone and everyone who is "against" homosexuality, regardless of their reasons.

Do you think I should add some more "quotes" to my post for better clarification?

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[mnskydiver688 0]

John Rich made a comment saying that suicide bombers kill innocent men women and children that have no relation to their enemy and that makes them monsters. Well American soldiers have killed innocent men women and children with no relation to their enemy so that must make American soldiers monsters also and I tend to disagree.

Sky Canyon Wingsuiters

[rushmc 23]

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Seriously, Fox News, is this really necessary? Do the conservatives really need their own flavor of political correctness? Aren't most terrorist bombers attempting homicide? Isn't the real distinction that some of them are attempting it by blowing up themselves? Isn't that distinction the reason the term "suicide bomber" was coined in the first place?

Timothy McVeigh was a homicide bomber, but he wasn't a suicide bomber. I suppose it's also possible to be a suicide bomber without being a homicide bomber.

Words have meaning; quit clouding the issues with rhetoric.

Help me understand your position a bit better. What other terms or use of words by any media outlet (including FOX) do you think are out of line?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[pirana 0]

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Surley until the bomber inquestion has been found guilty they should be refered to as 'The alleged homocide bomber"
Maybe they'll start talking about 'homicide gunmen' or 'homicide knifeman'or 'Homicide drug dealer'?

I agree completely, and stop calling me Surley.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[rushmc 23]

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John Rich made a comment saying that suicide bombers kill innocent men women and children that have no relation to their enemy and that makes them monsters. Well American soldiers have killed innocent men women and children with no relation to their enemy so that must make American soldiers monsters also and I tend to disagree.

Ok, I understand you point now. I do not feel that is the context meant by him but I now know what you mean and, in the context of your statement I too agree our men and women are not monsters.

The difference here I think is that most of the time our men and women get into these situtation by acident, these p"people" who strap bombs on themselves kill for killings sake. Big big difference

Thanks for helping me understand your point. What you point is was not what I thought you were trying to say

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Darius11 12]

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these p"people" who strap bombs on themselves kill for killings sake.

So you believe there only motivation is to kill and there is no other reason for there action?

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[rushmc 23]

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these p"people" who strap bombs on themselves kill for killings sake.

So you believe there only motivation is to kill and there is no other reason for there action?

They have reasons so to speak but, life is not as important to them. They kill just to make a point, not achive a stratigic goal.

Their point is to manipulate the media who maniputlates those that do not like the US and its actions

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[lawrocket 3]

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these p"people" who strap bombs on themselves kill for killings sake.

So you believe there only motivation is to kill and there is no other reason for there action?

Their motivation is political and, apparently, religious. They seek to forward their political and religious philosophies by indiscriminate killing.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[billvon 3,008]

>They kill just to make a point, not achive a stratigic goal.

They kill to achieve strategic goals. For example, getting the USSR out of Afghanistan was a strategic goal, one that the Mujahideen accomplished via terrorism and suicide bombing. Goading the USA into over-reaction to stir up support for their cause is another strategic goal.

(Often "making a point" is another way of saying "achieving their goal.")

[Shotgun 1]

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One can "not approve" of homosexuality on religious or other grounds, yet not really have any "fear" of it.

I think the "aversion" part of "phobe" is more common when one is called a homophobe, which would imply a strong disapproval, and that would be correct usage of the term. I'm sure it is occasionally used incorrectly, but not to the point of being "corrupted."

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Do you think I should add some more "quotes" to my post for better clarification?

"Yes."

And sorry to get off-topic of the thread; it just bugs me when people think that homophobia has to mean fear of homosexuals. "Phobia" does not always equate to "fear."