Douva 0 #76 January 17, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThe reason I ask is because you singled out FOX. If FOX is the only perp in you opinion it makes a big difference. Don't you think? I'm sorry--Was I supposed to single out CNN for a stupid decision made by the Fox network? No, you are misunderstanding my point. Sorry if I am not clear. On another note, I do not see the big deal. Yes words are words but not all agree with what you, me or how anybody else sees proper use of some words. Just me I guess If you have examples of other networks doing the same type of thing, point them out, and we'll discuss those as well. Otherwise, quit trying to turn this into something it's not. This is not an objective issue. The words "homicide" and "suicide" have different meanings; therefore, it is not logical for Fox News to try to attribute the same meanings to "homicide bomber" and "suicide bomber." the examples are many but it would seem you have not seen them, oh well. as for your examples, I think either word fits well. I think you are making something out of it that is not there "Thirty-two people were killed today by a homicide gunman." "A homicide knife attack claimed three lives at a downtown club last night." "The notorious homicide strangler has claimed another life." Between the homicide killers and the sexual assault rapists, I just don't know what this world is coming to. Perhaps we should follow the lead of the 1993 Sylvester Stallone film Demolition Man and start referring to homicides as "murder-death=kills."I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #77 January 17, 2008 Will I have no issue accepting facts. There was no WMD Right? I say yes there was no WMD in IRAQ There was no nuclear capability for Iraq? I say yes there was no nuclear capability The reason originally given to start the war to the world was “Iraq possessed WMD and possible nuclear capabilities and the treat was imminent”? This is not a matter of perspective these are facts that for some reason you can admit even when the administration that presented this information has agreed it was false. That’s the difference. I understand on some issues it is about perspective. Sadly even the issues that are not about perspective and can easily be proven you twits and turn and are incapable of admitting truth. I dont; know what to say to that. 2 + 2 = 4 not 7 thats not prespectiveI'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #78 January 17, 2008 I am sorry for the hijack man. I am done with this thread.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #79 January 17, 2008 QuoteWill I have no issue accepting facts. There was no WMD Right? I say yes there was no WMD in IRAQand this was the only reason? or the only one you want to bring up? There was no nuclear capability for Iraq? I say yes there was no nuclear capabilityNot true, the parts to restart the program were found they were just disassembled The reason originally given to start the war to the world was “Iraq possessed WMD and possible nuclear capabilities and the treat was imminent”? anin, you have narrowed your focus to one point to try and prove you are correct. You are notThis is not a matter of perspective these are facts that for some reason you can admit even when the administration that presented this information has agreed it was false. That’s the difference. I understand on some issues it is about perspective. Sadly even the issues that are not about perspective and can easily be proven you twits and turn and are incapable of admitting truth. I dont; know what to say to that. 2 + 2 = 4 not 7 thats not prespectiveGlad you know how to add"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #80 January 17, 2008 Quote> Seriously, Fox News, is this really necessary? Newspeak! I like it. Structure language to bend people's perceptions of reality. Sorta like 'politically correct speech', eh?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #81 January 18, 2008 Quote Since, however, they prefer to take as many innocent people along with them on their way to their 78 virgins ... . This past weekend’s Wall Street Journal had a interesting article, The Lost Archive, on a recently re-discovered “photo archive of ancient manuscripts of the Q'uran.” Because the Q'uran is considered direct word of the prophet (PBWH), it is considered immutable. The (potential) introduction of other texts with different versions of the Q'uran is therefore heretical. Your comment reminded me of one example: “A scholar in northern Germany writes under the pseudonym of Christoph Luxenberg because, he says, his controversial views on the Quran risk provoking Muslims. He claims that chunks of it were written not in Arabic but in another ancient language, Syriac. The ‘virgins’ promised by the Quran to Islamic martyrs, he asserts, are in fact only ‘grapes.’ [or “white raisins”] ” More on the evidence/argument for 72 grapes or “white raisins” at “Virgins? What virgins?” Obviously, “Luxenberg” represents a minority, non-consensus view. Imagine, tho', how the temptation of 72 grapes or raisins might impact motivation of some suicide bombers? VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #82 January 18, 2008 QuoteTheir motive is irrelevant. While I do concur with your assertion that terrorist suicide bombers are “monsters,” I disagree with the assertion that motive is irrelevant or unimportant. When doing threat assessment, threat is a function of capability, vulnerability, and motivation. If one ignores any one of the three factors, an incomplete analysis results. My concern about motivation is not apologetic/justifying/rationalizing but to enable more effective deterrents, tactics, and strategies to reduce the threat. VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #83 January 18, 2008 Quote Quote Their motive is irrelevant. While I do concur with your assertion that terrorist suicide bombers are “monsters,” I disagree with the assertion that motive is irrelevant or unimportant. When doing threat assessment, threat is a function of capability, vulnerability, and motivation. If one ignores any one of the three factors, an incomplete analysis results. My concern about motivation is not apologetic/justifying/rationalizing but to enable more effective deterrents, tactics, and strategies to reduce the threat. VR/Marg I "think" John are you are talking by each other. I do not beleive his comment is realted to what you post. Their "motives" are irrelevant when you look at a senseless loss of life (from a US perspective) Thier "motives" are NOT irrelevant from a security perspective when one is looking to stop them. Of course, if I have missed the points of one or both of you, my post is irrelevent"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #84 January 18, 2008 Hmmm, never mind the nothern alliance, weapons, and Charlie Wilson's efforts to provide better wapons right? Yep, that is no important. We can see how that has further Al-Qaida support in Iraq. "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #85 January 18, 2008 QuoteQuoteAnd sorry to get off-topic of the thread; it just bugs me when people think that homophobia has to mean fear of homosexuals. "Phobia" does not always equate to "fear." I lose the argument based on application of the "averse" portion of the definition of phobia. Didn't realize that was part of the definition until now. She is mistaken with the definition, as it relates directly with "fear", as an irrational sense, towards certain situations, objects, activities, or persons."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #86 January 18, 2008 Quote Quote Since, however, they prefer to take as many innocent people along with them on their way to their 78 virgins ... . This past weekend’s Wall Street Journal had a interesting article, The Lost Archive, on a recently re-discovered “photo archive of ancient manuscripts of the Q'uran.” Because the Q'uran is considered direct word of the prophet (PBWH), it is considered immutable. The (potential) introduction of other texts with different versions of the Q'uran is therefore heretical. Your comment reminded me of one example: “A scholar in northern Germany writes under the pseudonym of Christoph Luxenberg because, he says, his controversial views on the Quran risk provoking Muslims. He claims that chunks of it were written not in Arabic but in another ancient language, Syriac. The ‘virgins’ promised by the Quran to Islamic martyrs, he asserts, are in fact only ‘grapes.’ [or “white raisins”] ” More on the evidence/argument for 72 grapes or “white raisins” at “Virgins? What virgins?” Obviously, “Luxenberg” represents a minority, non-consensus view. Imagine, tho', how the temptation of 72 grapes or raisins might impact motivation of some suicide bombers? VR/Marg Grapes is my understanding of the translation not virgins.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #87 January 18, 2008 oh, I get it, they are pissed about the grapes, since they can turn them into wine....."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #88 January 18, 2008 Err.. Yea guess so.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #89 January 18, 2008 QuoteBush may have considered them "against us", but he didn't pledge to wipe them off the face of the earth because of it. Big difference. True, he invaded a country under very dubious circumstances. Iran talked.... Big difference Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #90 January 18, 2008 QuoteShe is mistaken with the definition, as it relates directly with "fear", as an irrational sense, towards certain situations, objects, activities, or persons. I conceded on technical grounds, that "phobia" can mean "averse", and "averse" can mean "does not approve". But it's a stretch -- "phobia" is overwhelmingly used to decribe an irrational fear of something, so when anyone's opposition to homosexuality is equated to a "phobia", the implication is that they are being irrational, which is wrong. People have rational grounds to oppose homosexuality if they wish. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #91 January 18, 2008 And drugs, prostitution, etc. You can dissaprove, the problem is that it is being treated as "irrational" by the PC police."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #92 January 18, 2008 QuoteShe is mistaken with the definition . . . I used a dictionary, and one of the definitions for phobia is "A strong fear, dislike, or aversion." I know that it is most often used to describe a fear of something, but that is not it's only meaning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #93 January 18, 2008 QuoteI know that it is most often used to describe a fear of something, but that is not it's only meaning. And therefore you understand that the term is mostly a PC knife gig in the butt towards all those who oppose homosexuality, right? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #94 January 18, 2008 QuoteAnd therefore you understand that the term is mostly a PC knife gig in the butt towards all those who oppose homosexuality, right? No. I only use the term when I am referring to someone who has a strong aversion to homosexuality, and that's how I mostly see the term used. I occasionally see it used the way you are describing, but not very often. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #95 January 18, 2008 QuoteI only use the term when I am referring to someone who has a strong aversion to homosexuality, and that's how I mostly see the term used. I occasionally see it used the way you are describing, but not very often. I often see the term applied in the media and in personal life as a broad blanket covering any and all who oppose homosexuality. You're either down with the gays, or a homophobe. (I'm the former, btw) . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #96 January 18, 2008 QuoteI often see the term applied in the media and in personal life as a broad blanket covering any and all who oppose homosexuality. You're either down with the gays, or a homophobe. (I'm the former, btw) Oh yeah, I forgot we were talking about the media in this thread. You're probably right that they often misuse the term. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #97 January 18, 2008 Quote Oh yeah, I forgot we were talking about the media in this thread. You're probably right that they often misuse the term. Hey, someone said I'm at least partly right on something in SC! That's a first -- woo hooo! . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #98 January 18, 2008 Quote Hey, someone said I'm at least partly right on something in SC! That's a first -- woo hooo! I did that on purpose just because I felt like being nice to someone today. I didn't really mean it though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #99 January 18, 2008 QuoteThey are fighters who are willing to sacrifice their lives for what they believe... It is viewed as honorable to die for your cause... Heroes die for what they believe... Here's the latest example of one of your honorable muslim heroes: News: "A woman carried out a suicide bombing near a Shiite mosque in Diyala Province on Wednesday, killing at least eight people. Shiite volunteers nearby were preparing for religious rituals. The attack provoked Shiite militiamen to use mortars against a nearby Sunni village in retaliation. It is the fourth suicide bombing in Diyala since November to have been carried out by a woman..."Source: New York Times When an American walked into a church in Colorado and killed a bunch of people, everyone understood he was a madman and roundly denounced his actions. When a muslim walks into a mosque in Iraq and kills a bunch of people, you call them an honorable muslim hero. And then you tell us Americans how our perspective is all wrong. Oh, and the American church members didn't go out and retaliate by attacking a nearby town with mortars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #100 January 18, 2008 Quote Quote Hey, someone said I'm at least partly right on something in SC! That's a first -- woo hooo! I did that on purpose just because I felt like being nice to someone today. I didn't really mean it though. Aawwwhhh Your cruel"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
