mnealtx 0 #26 February 3, 2008 Talk to the Professor...he pushed the start button. I also refer you to Section 3 ... oh, I forgot - it's only good when a DEMOCRAT uses the military against Iraq, isn't it?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #27 February 4, 2008 QuoteSo what number of dead and maimed Iraqi women and children is acceptable to you as collateral damage from US actions? That’s a *really* difficult question that might have a not-very-nice answer, which has largely been the situation historically. What did Clausewitz say on the nature of war and the importance of it remaining a horrible, grave undertaking? What did he assert would happen if war became easy? (NB: Clausewitz remains on the US Army reading lists and the JCS reading list.) The dead Prussian General’s words weren’t just valid in early 20th Century … but in Iraq and into the future as one considers things like the increased use of unmanned vehicles and other technologies. VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #28 February 4, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm still very interested to find out what we will 'win' if in fact we were to actually 'win' in Iraq. I hope it amounts to more than a stuffed pony. But I have my doubts. What do you think that 'you' deserve to win? I don't even know what you mean by this. I wouldn't say that anyone 'deserves' to win anything. And if it truly is a war on 'terror', how can it possibly end? Peace is going to come now? The world will no longer be 'dangerous'? When, in the history of man, has the world been 'safe'? eh? You asked the a question so I asked you one back. You appear to expect to win more than a Stuffed Pony - why? Your government started a morally and legally ambiguous war against Iraq, has been responsible for the deaths of countless innocent people. The prize that it has won (this far) is a mountain of debt and the lowest level of esteem from the rest of the world.. Suck it up. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #29 February 4, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteI still think the worst thing that everybody either seems to cover up or just nobody cares about is that in the war in Iraq over 2 million people have died. Everybody just says those poor american soldiers (which is obviously sad, but if you compare the numbers it seems slightly rediculose) Prove your numbers. Not even the Soros Lancet study was that high. That really is a silly request, since no one at all can PROVE any of the numbers given the uncertainties involved. There are high and low estimates, and the truth is probably somewhere in between. So Prof., are you telling us, in your infinite wisdom that 2 million, falls in between 650K and 50 K?"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #30 February 4, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm still very interested to find out what we will 'win' if in fact we were to actually 'win' in Iraq. I hope it amounts to more than a stuffed pony. But I have my doubts. What do you think that 'you' deserve to win? I don't even know what you mean by this. I wouldn't say that anyone 'deserves' to win anything. And if it truly is a war on 'terror', how can it possibly end? Peace is going to come now? The world will no longer be 'dangerous'? When, in the history of man, has the world been 'safe'? eh? You asked the a question so I asked you one back. You appear to expect to win more than a Stuffed Pony - why? Your government started a morally and legally ambiguous war against Iraq, has been responsible for the deaths of countless innocent people. The prize that it has won (this far) is a mountain of debt and the lowest level of esteem from the rest of the world.. Suck it up. And there you go with the "rest of the world" defense. Did you get the memo on how many countries were involved in the coalition? Have you asked any Shia or Kurd in Iraq how they feel? Do you have any Iraqi friend that can support your conviction, or you speak from personal experience?"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #31 February 4, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI still think the worst thing that everybody either seems to cover up or just nobody cares about is that in the war in Iraq over 2 million people have died. Everybody just says those poor american soldiers (which is obviously sad, but if you compare the numbers it seems slightly rediculose) Prove your numbers. Not even the Soros Lancet study was that high. That really is a silly request, since no one at all can PROVE any of the numbers given the uncertainties involved. There are high and low estimates, and the truth is probably somewhere in between. So Prof., are you telling us, in your infinite wisdom that 2 million, falls in between 650K and 50 K? If you spent a little more time reading and a bit less time thinking up vulgar insults you might debate better.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pulse 0 #32 February 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm still very interested to find out what we will 'win' if in fact we were to actually 'win' in Iraq. I hope it amounts to more than a stuffed pony. But I have my doubts. What do you think that 'you' deserve to win? I don't even know what you mean by this. I wouldn't say that anyone 'deserves' to win anything. And if it truly is a war on 'terror', how can it possibly end? Peace is going to come now? The world will no longer be 'dangerous'? When, in the history of man, has the world been 'safe'? eh? You asked the a question so I asked you one back. You appear to expect to win more than a Stuffed Pony - why? Your government started a morally and legally ambiguous war against Iraq, has been responsible for the deaths of countless innocent people. The prize that it has won (this far) is a mountain of debt and the lowest level of esteem from the rest of the world.. Suck it up. Uhm, I was being sarcastic. "I have my doubts" it will be more than a stuffed pony. Meaning there is little to win and that I was never for this war. Or Bush for that matter."Any language where the unassuming word fly signifies an annoying insect, a means of travel, and a critical part of a gentleman's apparel is clearly asking to be mangled." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #33 February 5, 2008 Then I apologise unreservedly for not understanding you meaning (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #34 February 10, 2008 QuoteI also refer you to Section 3 ... oh, I forgot - it's only good when a DEMOCRAT uses the military against Iraq, isn't it? Did you not read Section 8? QuoteNothing in this Act shall be construed to authorize or otherwise speak to the use of United States Armed Forces (except as provided in section 4(a)(2)) in carrying out this Act.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #35 February 10, 2008 QuoteI still think the worst thing that everybody either seems to cover up or just nobody cares about is that in the war in Iraq over 2 million people have died. Was that before or after SH was deposed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #36 February 10, 2008 QuoteSo what number of dead and maimed Iraqi women and children is acceptable to you as collateral damage from US actions? You could play that silly game with any conflict, anywhere in the world, past or present. Where do you want to go? Edited to add; Let's hope you never bitch about the possibility of overpopulation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #37 February 10, 2008 just wait and see what McCain campaign generates leading up to the election sadly, I think a lot of the US voting public ARE actually stupid enough to repeat these past mistakes and believe them. TK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #38 February 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteSo what number of dead and maimed Iraqi women and children is acceptable to you as collateral damage from US actions? You could play that silly game with any conflict, anywhere in the world, past or present. Where do you want to go? Of course, until the Bush doctrine of pre-emptive war the US generally entered wars because it had been attacked or had war declared against it, or because an ally had been attacked. This is the first that I can recall where one of the stated reasons was to save the population of the country we invaded. (Not that the stated reasons were true, of course) So how many people is it appropriate for the US to maim or kill in order to save them?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
needheadnow 0 #39 February 10, 2008 Americans think the danger is terrorism. They don't understand that Terrorists cannot take away habeus corpus, the Bill of Rights, the Constitution. Terrorists cannot suspend the constitutional gov't, abolish the separation of powers. TERRORISM CANNOT PICK US UP, SHUT US UP, OR ARREST US. The threat of terrorism is nothing like the threat of our own gov't in the name of fighting terrorism. - Paul Craig Roberts "the Father of Reaganomics" oh and Ron Paul 2008! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #40 February 11, 2008 QuoteQuoteI also refer you to Section 3 ... oh, I forgot - it's only good when a DEMOCRAT uses the military against Iraq, isn't it? Did you not read Section 8? QuoteNothing in this Act shall be construed to authorize or otherwise speak to the use of United States Armed Forces (except as provided in section 4(a)(2)) in carrying out this Act. Yes, I know - that's why Bush had to go to Congress to get the authorization for use of force.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #41 February 11, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI still think the worst thing that everybody either seems to cover up or just nobody cares about is that in the war in Iraq over 2 million people have died. Everybody just says those poor american soldiers (which is obviously sad, but if you compare the numbers it seems slightly rediculose) Prove your numbers. Not even the Soros Lancet study was that high. That really is a silly request, since no one at all can PROVE any of the numbers given the uncertainties involved. There are high and low estimates, and the truth is probably somewhere in between. Agreed - but he certainly had no qualms throwing numbers out there. So what number of dead and maimed Iraqi women and children is acceptable to you as collateral damage from US actions? Wow, another strawman from the Professor... how unsurprising. Well, for a guy who has no issue with the US killing 300,000 women and kids in WWII Japan, considering the population numbers then and now, I would think 2M innocent collaterals would be OK. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #42 February 11, 2008 QuoteAre you still beating your fiancee? Are you stuck? SHow your true colors, how many dead innocents are OK? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #43 February 11, 2008 QuoteYes, I know - that's why Bush had to go to Congress to get the authorization for use of force. Arguably, he used force under circumstances different from what the authorization required. Of course, that doesn't really matter, since the Congress lacked the spine to call him on it. Poor leadership, I suppose.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #44 February 12, 2008 QuoteQuoteYes, I know - that's why Bush had to go to Congress to get the authorization for use of force. Arguably, he used force under circumstances different from what the authorization required. Of course, that doesn't really matter, since the Congress lacked the spine to call him on it. Poor leadership, I suppose. Good thing we've got a Dem congress now, forcing him to get the troops out, huh?? Oh, wait.....Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #45 February 12, 2008 QuoteGood thing we've got a Dem congress now, forcing him to get the troops out, huh?? It's not just the Republican Congressmen that lack a spine. Don't make it partisan. This is about an incompetent Executive branch and a cowardly Legislative Branch, not partisan politics.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
